Australia really is going down the drain

[HamaTime™]

Dads banned from filming birth in new privacy clamp down by hospitals | News.com.au

This is ridiculous. Hospitals in Victoria are banning fathers filming the birth of their child due to

• legal repercussions
• staff privacy
• unnecessary distractions

Absolute knee jerk, socialist, control freak, nanny state act I have ever seen.

Disgusting.

Discuss.

[soop]

I'd tell them to go fist f*ck themselves.

Public servants are in the public deal with it.

That and from my expiriences with midwives most of them are useless as tits on a bull so why fuggin distraction is there?
They stand around and watch unless theres and emergency. Who's going to film an emergency? (Who wants to film the delivery anyway, but thats not the issue).

[Drawnnite]

[QUOTE=soop;1759114]Who wants to film the delivery anyway[QUOTE]

was thinking the same thing.
however i can see where they are coming from. (read in the herald sun)
if complications arise, its caught on film. it can be distressing images (although cant it be destroyed?)

from what i read in the Herald Sun about it, the hospitals/doctors are getting sued because of complications and there has been video evidence.

and if doctors are worried it may show poor performance (within reason) and malpractice, then this should be fixed. and maybe it can keep the buggers honest about the malpractice.

but i still dont see why you would want to film it. to me that is pretty disgusting.

[CSP]

Who would EVER want to see a whole person squeeze through a vagina? Let alone record it so they can watch it later...

[Julie]

Yeh personally I have no problem with this. Giving birth in a public hospital is a right every aussie woman has, but being able to film is not a right its a priveledge and should only be allowed if staff permit it. I wouldn't like someone filming me at work and having every move I make being up for criticism. If you were having an operation at hospital it would be highly unlikely and unusual for them to permit filming of the operation. If you want to have your own way and have a video there are plenty of options on where to birth, take one of those and stop being so frigging precious. Too many women getting caught up in the fuss of having the 'perfect birth' these days don't realise that the perfect birth is one where you get to bring your baby home.

[HamaTime™]

I'd tell them to go fist f*ck themselves.

Public servants are in the public deal with it.

That and from my expiriences with midwives most of them are useless as tits on a bull so why fuggin distraction is there?
They stand around and watch unless theres and emergency. Who's going to film an emergency? (Who wants to film the delivery anyway, but thats not the issue).

Yep. Exactly, I wouldn't want to film the actual delivery, or I'd choose not to point the camera there....

was thinking the same thing.
however i can see where they are coming from. (read in the herald sun)
if complications arise, its caught on film. it can be distressing images (although cant it be destroyed?)

from what i read in the Herald Sun about it, the hospitals/doctors are getting sued because of complications and there has been video evidence.

and if doctors are worried it may show poor performance (within reason) and malpractice, then this should be fixed. and maybe it can keep the buggers honest about the malpractice.

but i still dont see why you would want to film it. to me that is pretty disgusting.

Banning for the sake of malpractice is a pretty poor excuse, if the doctor/hospital team are negligent or performing their job inappropriately or in the wrong fashion then it is up to the discretion of the person what they would do with the film. Freedom to film a very rare, special moment in your own life and the life of your family is important.

On principle I think it's wrong to ban it, if people want to film, go ahead, your baby.
As for the doctor's concern, staff privacy? It is private, if you don't want to be in the video, then stay out of the way of the camera or don't be there. Legal repercussions? Their making an issue out of something that isn't there. If they are negligent in delivery, their problem, if not, then all is fine!

Who would EVER want to see a whole person squeeze through a vagina? Let alone record it so they can watch it later...

Some people get a kick out of it...gynecologists for one.

[ClairBear]

This is the problem with the let's sue everyone for everything and blame the world when something goes wrong mentality.

To reduce any possibility of having filmed evidence should a female patient sue her gyno because her pubic hair was messed up during the birth, I can see why they no longer want the procedure filmed.

I don't agree with this personally. I am with CSP - it's not a spectator sport, I refused each time when asked if I wanted to be propped up to watch my babies born. I am happy enough with the happy snaps of my babies shortly after birth.

Who would you show these videos too anyway? I am far from a prude but I wouldn't want my family and friends sitting around looking at my map of tassie wide open, and I am quite sure my kids would be a bit disturbued looking at mum's pinks bits. I know if my parents had my birth on film I would refuse to watch for these reasons.

[soop]

Yep. Its an occasion that only the people there should be privy to IMO.

I watched my daugher be born, while its not discusting, I can't see why you would want to film it.
That said, I think it should also be your choice, we're having far to many decisions made for us these days.

[HamaTime™]

This is the problem with the let's sue everyone for everything and blame the world when something goes wrong mentality.

To reduce any possibility of having filmed evidence should a female patient sue her gyno because her pubic hair was messed up during the birth, I can see why they no longer want the procedure filmed.

I don't agree with this personally. I am with CSP - it's not a spectator sport, I refused each time when asked if I wanted to be propped up to watch my babies born. I am happy enough with the happy snaps of my babies shortly after birth.

Who would you show these videos too anyway? I am far from a prude but I wouldn't want my family and friends sitting around looking at my map of tassie wide open, and I am quite sure my kids would be a bit disturbued looking at mum's pinks bits. I know if my parents had my birth on film I would refuse to watch for these reasons.

Definately. I wouldn't want to watch it. Gross.

Yep. Its an occasion that only the people there should be privy to IMO.

I watched my daugher be born, while its not discusting, I can't see why you would want to film it.
That said, I think it should also be your choice, we're having far to many decisions made for us these days.

Exactly.

The issue I was raising here is the limitations of your rights. Whether I would or wouldn't film it is up to me, (or the person concerned) but the lack of freedom to make your own mind up pisses me off.

[vr94ss]

My Mum, my wifes Dad and I were there for our first childs birth and we filmed it so the wife could watch it later. She wanted it filmed. Nothing disgusting about it at all. Our first son was at the birth of out second son when he was four. This was not in a normal hospital ward though. It was in a now closed for lack of funding "home birth unit", basically a flat with all the equipment you'd need at Kyogle NSW hospital. Neither of the kids were at the birth of out 3rd son as he was 7 weeks premature and it was in Lismore Base Hospital and a bit crowded. I see no reason you should be stopped from filming it. Just looks like others trying to cover their arses at out expense.

[nathanVY]

Pathetic. They're doing it cover up the state of the shitty medical system, if they make a mistake they should be liable camera or not! But camera is the only way you can prove, otherwise they always get out of it, some friends of mine had the worst run with our states hospitals (this is in geelong).

She was pregnant, she ended up having a rare condition can't remember the name but the egg sticks to the inside this puts the mother at risk of not being able to have anymore children among other things. So they saw the specialist, they said we can try operating and move the egg away from the side. They said, ok they had the operation and they took the egg out - killed her baby. This was not properly explained (if at all) to her. Needless to say they were devastated - there is a lot more to this story, and its a lot worse than I can ever describe here but guess what repercussions there were for the murders that organised that? sweet #### all.

They could not prove anything (believe me they tried), They hospital did not even have a record that she had been in for the operation...

Very very vauge outline of what happened, probably have missed a few details but you get the gist. Expecting parents should not take no for an answer and film it anyway - better yet get private health cover and go to a private hospital. It's worth the money.

/rant

[minux]

killing an egg off is murder now? Basics, mother can still have children...it is a win/win.

Right...

I fail to see the issue here...people should be grateful they are allowed in a sterile area to begin with and be able to wortk with the doctors.

[HamaTime™]

The issue here that I am pointing out is the ever encroaching wave of laws, restrictions and things we in society 'cannot do'.

If people want to film such an important moment in their lives, they should be able to, for the reasons given in the article, (I wouldn't accept any reason) I think it's disgusting...just a knee jerk reaction.

[nathanVY]

killing an egg off is murder now? Basics, mother can still have children...it is a win/win.

Right...

I fail to see the issue here...people should be grateful they are allowed in a sterile area to begin with and be able to wortk with the doctors.

You can be a real prick sometimes lol.
Yes it is, especially without her consent - not to mention they ####ed it up and didn't close her up properly and she got an infection because of it and had to go to a private doctor to get it fixed up. Which cost her having kids, she can't have kids now. Their only (slim) hope is IVF.

It was a little more than an egg I can't remember exactly how far along she was but it was developed further than that.
I don't think you'd be too happy if they did that to your wife and did not tell you. You would have judged differently or at least prepared yourself for the fact that you were taking your babies life.

[nathanVY]

The issue here that I am pointing out is the ever encroaching wave of laws, restrictions and things we in society 'cannot do'.

If people want to film such an important moment in their lives, they should be able to, for the reasons given in the article, (I wouldn't accept any reason) I think it's disgusting...just a knee jerk reaction.

Pretty much.

EDIT: What sucks the most is the potential this country has - to be the best in the world. Not at the rate we're going.

[soop]

killing an egg off is murder now? Basics, mother can still have children...it is a win/win.

Right...

I fail to see the issue here...people should be grateful they are allowed in a sterile area to begin with and be able to wortk with the doctors.

Birthing suits aren't sterile. Not even close.
They don't need to be really. I was walking around in bare feet.

Also, unless its a c-sec there isn't even any doctors and the midwives do bugger all. I mean, nothing. Sit there and watch. So its not a big emergency scene. There is no reason why a small camera will hurt anything. Unless of course they're doing something wrong.

[vr94ss]

Pathetic. They're doing it cover up the state of the shitty medical system, if they make a mistake they should be liable camera or not! But camera is the only way you can prove, otherwise they always get out of it, some friends of mine had the worst run with our states hospitals (this is in geelong).

She was pregnant, she ended up having a rare condition can't remember the name but the egg sticks to the inside this puts the mother at risk of not being able to have anymore children among other things. So they saw the specialist, they said we can try operating and move the egg away from the side. They said, ok they had the operation and they took the egg out - killed her baby. This was not properly explained (if at all) to her. Needless to say they were devastated - there is a lot more to this story, and its a lot worse than I can ever describe here but guess what repercussions there were for the murders that organised that? sweet #### all.

They could not prove anything (believe me they tried), They hospital did not even have a record that she had been in for the operation...

Very very vauge outline of what happened, probably have missed a few details but you get the gist. Expecting parents should not take no for an answer and film it anyway - better yet get private health cover and go to a private hospital. It's worth the money.

/rant

Sounds like she had an Ectopic pregnancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia so she was probably very luck they did what they did or she may be dead.

[kuzman89]

If you don't like it, have the baby at home. I surely would take issue at being filmed in my workplace.

[Rob&Krisseh]

They have taken away the option to birth at home as well . . at least with properly trained personnel

[soop]

If you don't like it, have the baby at home. I surely would take issue at being filmed in my workplace.

Clearly a comment made by someone made with no idea.

Then, there's allot of those in this thread.
A normal delivery isn't that eventful. People are only going to want to film the 30seconds where it actually comes out. Not the 38hrs before that.

[ClairBear]

Sounds like she had an Ectopic pregnancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia so she was probably very luck they did what they did or she may be dead.

Agreed, sadly with some people in this world Doctors are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. As I said before, everyone is looking to hang the blame for everything on others these days. I would be grateful for the attempt the surgeons put in, sure it is devastating to lose a baby, but you move on and be happy you still have your health and family around you.

[nathanVY]

Sounds like she had an Ectopic pregnancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia so she was probably very luck they did what they did or she may be dead.

Agreed, sadly with some people in this world Doctors are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. As I said before, everyone is looking to hang the blame for everything on others these days. I would be grateful for the attempt the surgeons put in, sure it is devastating to lose a baby, but you move on and be happy you still have your health and family around you.

Yeah that's what it was. Completely agree, but she didn't know the baby would be lost. Can't imagine finding that out after the surgery.

[soop]

With ectopic pregnancies the baby was never going to survive. Unfortunate but that's how it goes.

[nathanVY]

With ectopic pregnancies the baby was never going to survive. Unfortunate but that's how it goes.

very slim chance if they can safely separate it.

[soop]

How do they separate the embryo and replace it into the womb?

99.99% of the time it is fatal.