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Ned Kelly, Aussie legend or just another criminal?
Hey guys,
Just after people's opinions on this.
Do you think Ned Kelly was an (irish born) aussie legend or just another criminal?
Had a heated discussion at work about this and was wondering what everyone out there thought?
I personally think he is an aussie legend (have a tattoo of him on my arm).
Nil Bastardo Carborundum
He was just a crim and had no honour in the way he behaved. Shooting and killing people hardly makes him a hero. They had the right idea in those days - use the rope.
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Based on what? Murder? Theft? Extortion? Resisting Arrest?Originally Posted by undersuspicion
What about him is "legendary"? Ned Kelly is infamous. He's no hero. No more a hero than any criminal currently locked up for murder or theft.
Agree with Calaber - he had no honour. He was just another sociopath.
Mark "Chopper" Reid Aussie legend or just another criminal
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Just another criminal.
Slayer of Stupid Threads
Just another criminal. If you think hes a hero head down to Barwon, ask to see the mugshots of some people in the Acacia Unit and get some tats of them done. They might be heros in 100 years.
Nil Bastardo Carborundum
No person who indulges in crimes of violence is a hero. They are low-life scumbags, full stop. Idolising them makes no sense at all. Too many of them continue to survive our legal system and enjoy freedom these days because we have become such a weak and "caring, civilised" society.
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A Martin Bryant tattoo would go well next to your Ned Kelly Tattoo.
Nil Bastardo Carborundum
Bryant was a total nutter but I still question the worth of allowing him to continue living. 35 people is more than many soldiers killed during their wartime engagements. Perhaps it's a pity he didn't remain inside the house he set alight at the end of his spree.
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I think some of you need to look into Ned Kelly's motives.
ASIDE from what the establishment of the time reported. The bloke was jack of corrupt police and polticians. Allot of people of the time support the Kelly gang. I wonder why that was?
Martin Bryant was a totall nutter. Not even a comparison to Ned Kelly.
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You are correct Soop, Many, many corrupt police and politicians. The kelly gang had a few supporters who would assist them. Purely in rebellion against the police and politicians.
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This is how i see Ned Kelly as a folk hero and symbol of Irish-Australian resistance against oppression by the British ruling class, for his defiance of the colonial authorities.
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If you look at what the kelly gang did, who they targeted and who benifited from their spree. You've gotta ask, what was their Motive?
We should ask, is what the kelly gang did, really any different to what happened at the Eureka stockaid?
I don't think it as accute as Being Irish vs British.
I think its more Someone standing up against a corrupt establishment. I mean, nothing has really changed, simply more fools that think the govt is there to help them and a nation wide media outlet to spread the stupidity.
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They both broke the law and killed people. Motive has nothing to do with whether or not you broke the law. There is no excuse for breaking the law.
They're criminals, plain and simple.
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well you are right there, the kelly gang were rebelling against the authorities.
And it wasnt the far from the eureka stockade, similar circumstances with the gold miners.
Cool Guy
Not that it has anything to do with this, but wasn't Ned Kelly Australian born? I'm pretty sure he was born in Wallan or something like that.
I agree with Grennan tho, he was just another crook who deserved what he got.
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Its my opinion that they were attempting to incite a large scale rebellion.
Yeah he was Australian born, Out near Wallan, and then around the Rushworth area I think.
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yeah born in Victoria, his parents were irish. And im of the same opinion of attempting to incite a large rebellion.
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Nil Bastardo Carborundum
Kelly's motives may well have arisen from a distrust of corrupt politicians and local police, but his family's detestation of the law could well have been part of the antipathy that has existed between the Irish and the English for hundreds of years.
Whatever the cause, and whatever his motives, he was no hero. He shot and killed police, including one or two who were hard working and well regarded by the local community. He had no sound reason for doing this other than to evade capture.
He received his just deserts. Pity some others haven't been treated in a similar manner since.
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Eh, Two hundred years later its easy to say he killed police who where hard working and well regarded by the community. Everyones a top bloke once their dead.
I'm also very skeptical of the "Official" reports from the time too.
They were worse with fabricating the truth then, then what they are now. And they're pretty bad for it at the moment.
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Martin Bryant was a totall nutter. Not even a comparison to Ned Kelly.[/QUOTE]
off the track a bit, but has anyone googled port arthur conspirese theories, some interesting reading there.
Tells it like it is.
Nothing more than a murderer that somehow ended up in Australian folklore. I don't care what his motives were - nothing more than a low life crim.
- who actually believes he did 1/2 the stuff he claims he did??? Did some bad stuff and had a stretch or 2 paying for it. Now he spends his time trying to beat his own drum and cash in on the celebrity. Nothing more than a common gutter crim IMO.
Reaper
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Ned Kelly is a hero. No one would have believed Ned over a policemans account, so off they ran into hiding. Try putting yourself in his shoes for a bit, its not like he could get on the phone to internal affairs or anything. Constable Fitzpatrick was a liar and a drunk. He was dismissed from duty in 1881 after he had pleaded guilty charges of neglect of duty and misconduct. His own superior said he could not be trusted out of sight and he never did his duty. Ned's troubles started from corrupt cops, and I guess snowballed past the point of no return. Lets hope you all never have to deal with corrupt police lying about what you did (unless you live in melbourne lol then ur stuffed)
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