Australian laws are ####ed compared to america

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PENSACOLA, Florida (WALA) - Three robbers armed with a baseball bat tried to force their way into the wrong house Saturday night in north Pensacola. The 72-year-old homeowner wasn’t going down without a fight, shooting two of them and sending them running for their lives.

Jack Crawford was in his bedroom watching television when there was a knock at the front door. His 70-year-old sister called for him to get it.

“I opened the door, went over here and right off the bat, he hit me with a bat,” Crawford said.

The top of his skull was split open by the blow, but Crawford didn’t go down. He drew the handgun he was holding down on the hooded and masked invaders.

“I don’t answer the door at night without a weapon, so I shot him. Shot the kid next to him,” Crawford said. “The other one was running.”

Pensacola Police later arrested the two wounded suspects when they showed up at a local hospital to get treatment. The third was later found at a nearby home. They are 15-year-old Earl Benard, 17-year-old Nathaniel Nichols and 18-year-old Curtis Crenshaw. They are all of Pensacola and are all are charged with home invasion and robbery.

A large oak tree in Crawford’s front yard bears the scar of a stray bullet, and will be a permanent reminder of what happened on Saturday night. Crawford said the suspects should be glad they’re not dead.

“I could have killed them, easy,” he said.

Crawford’s actions have inspired some neighbors like Sandra Powers to better protect themselves.

“I’m afraid of a gun, but I called and tasers are legal in Pensacola and I live in Pensacola, so I’m going to get a taser,” Powers said.

But Pensacola Police Sergeant Jim Andrews said it’s best not to take any chances.

“Just because someone knocks on your door or rings your door bell doesn’t mean you have to answer the door,” Andrews said.

Nichols remains in the hospital under police surveillance. All three are expected to be charged as adults.





Homeowner shoots 3 would-be robbers | Fox10tv.com

This shits me. If that happened her the scum would be let off with a slap on the wrist and given medals for surviving gun shots while the old man would be lockef away in jail for attempted murder.

[mwb235]

If only it was that way here.

[VTSSDUDE]

That 72 year old bloke was here in Australia, he would have been jailed, and the offenders would have been let off scott free.

[minux]

Now lets make it opposite.

PENSACOLA, Florida (WALA) - Three robbers armed with a pistols forced their way into the wrong house Saturday night in north Pensacola. The 72-year-old homeowner went down without a fight, being shot 3 times in the head then shooting his sister in the head.

having worked with guns for quite a while, I'd rather not allow anyone access to them thanks.

[Reaper]

Some American laws are better than Australian ones. Australian gun laws however are far, far, far better than the American ones. Firearm death rates per 100,000 people is over 6 times higher in the USA compared to Australia. Thanks but I'll stick with here.

Reaper

[CSP]

Quote from an American in 2001:

If you combine the populations of Great Britain, France, Germany, Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark and Australia, you'll get a population roughly the size of the United States. We had 32,000 gun deaths last year, they had 112. Do you think it's because Americans are more homicidal by nature? Or do you think it's because those guys have gun control laws?

nuff said!

[VTSSDUDE]

Yep, but Australia has a bigger gun black market trade. It's easier to buy a gun in the black market then it is legally so if someone was going to go far as shooting someone do you really think they are going to bother worrying about acquiring a license first? I think not!

[DLFHUB666]

Yep, but Australia has a bigger gun black market trade. It's easier to buy a gun in the black market then it is legally so if someone was going to go far as shooting someone do you really think they are going to bother worrying about acquiring a license first? I think not!

Yep it is so easy to get a gun though the black market trade you can pick up nearly any kind of military/non military weapon for #### all.

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Yep, but Australia has a bigger gun black market trade. It's easier to buy a gun in the black market then it is legally so if someone was going to go far as shooting someone do you really think they are going to bother worrying about acquiring a license first? I think not!

What a crock. The US underground gun trade is much much worse than here. Clearly you have never been to the US. I witnessed first hand how easy it was to get RPG's, ak's, greandes, claymores, various sub machine guns and even bloody minimi's.

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Yep it is so easy to get a gun though the black market trade you can pick up nearly any kind of military/non military weapon for #### all.

If it so so easy, go buy yourself an SR98, an F88 and M60 for kicks. Let me know when you are ready to post images.

[Dr HaxZaw]

i used to think american gun laws were better but they arent really. the only problem (if you can call it that) is that because of the how the guns have to be stored in australia they are essentially useless for self defence. although if you were really worried you'd put up with the hassle of getting the gun out everytime although youd probably go to jail once you shot someone trying to steal your car

[DLFHUB666]

If it so so easy, go buy yourself an SR98, an F88 and M60 for kicks. Let me know when you are ready to post images.

I know i can get aks for about 2 grand a pop an do you remember the convo we had about the m82 an i thought you were talking about the barrett but you were talking about the parker. well the reason i thought you were talking about the the barrett is because my mate has one 50 cal FTW. btw even if i did get these i wouldnt go post pics of myself with them thats just stupid.

[crazyspoon05]

Aren't a lot of the US gunshot victims shot with their own guns as well ?

[VTSSDUDE]

No not a load of crock, we are all forgetting that Australia didn't have a gun problem in the first place. Introducing gun laws into Australia actually increased Gun Crime and the black market, which also turned a lot of innocent people into criminals because they forgot they had a few bullets laying around in their back shed or didn't realise their Grand Father's rifle was hiding in their storage.
USA have had major gun crime laws for a long time, I can gurrantee you if they were to introduce Australia's gun laws, it won't do jack for the same reason. If you are going to use a firearm to do something bad as if you are going to go and get a license to do so. Geez I am going to shoot someone with my firearm that has it's serial number registered on a national database to my name, including where I bought the firearm from, which ammo I bought, etc. I don't think so.
Cananda were going to introduce firearm laws and looked at doing similar to Australia, until they realised that our statistics of firearms crime actually increased after our laws were introduced I wonder why?
Firearm laws only stop the good people not the bad and also turn a few good into bad innocently. It's not hard for someone who has been born and bred with firearms not know it's illegal to have a firearm stashed in their cupboard or stored in the roof and not think twice that it should be locked up. I used to collect live bullets when I was a kid, could you imagine that now in this day and age, everyone would be like oh my god, we need to report my parents to the authorities how can they let their 8 year old kid play with bullets? The police would come in, arrest my parents (Dad) and geez he would be the baddest person around.
Second thought though, if you were to hand a kid bullets who didn't know what bullets were, then that would be a different story. I bet you people won't see that side as our younger generation have been brought up to think that guns are bad, as a firearm can magically kill someone by itself?
As the saying goes, guns don't kill people, it's people that kill people.

End of the day, I suppose it's a good thing that the average robber in Australia know that the houses they break into are gunless as they won't need to use guns themselves, unlike America a lot of the introduders are armed as well. It's really hard to say if it is good to self defend yourself or not using a firearm.
50 / 50 really. You either arm yourself and hope you can out shoot the introduders or not arm yourself and the introduders will just be armed with a knife or no arms at all or if they do have a gun they won't shoot you.
I wouldn't shoot an intruder or a person stealing my car, but if they were to be a threat to myself or my family then I certainly would. It's either you or them? I am sure anyone would do anything to protect their family.

[ssv 08 ute]

If america is so great...your welcome to go live there.!!!
This is a great country and youll still be a hell of a lot safer here than over there

[VTSSDUDE]

I am not saying America is great just stating the differences.

[Stressball]

I reckon gun control laws are good and bad depending on where and when you enforce them. Here, we don't need to relax them as the 'weapon-of-choice' in a drunken fight is a smashed schooner, so we don't get all that many gunshot related injuries/attacks etc. In the USA where everyone and their mums carry a handgun at least, introducing gun control laws would deter only the people who care about the laws; the ones who aren't going to intentionally go out looking for trouble with a gun under their jacket. All the law abiding citizens would be without guns, all the dodgy bastards would hold onto theirs. Wouldn't help anybody there. Now, had it always been the case that they were heavily restricted, it would be a relatively more level playing field.

Really though, there's so many guns in any part of the world, legally or illegally, so you'll never fix the problem of gun violence. It's a fact of life (and death) now.

[ari666]

Now lets make it opposite.

PENSACOLA, Florida (WALA) - Three robbers armed with a pistols forced their way into the wrong house Saturday night in north Pensacola. The 72-year-old homeowner went down without a fight, being shot 3 times in the head then shooting his sister in the head.

having worked with guns for quite a while, I'd rather not allow anyone access to them thanks.

wow, its not often i agree with you, but couldnt have said that better myself.

[Reaper]

Quote from an American in 2001:

If you combine the populations of Great Britain, France, Germany, Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark and Australia, you'll get a population roughly the size of the United States. We had 32,000 gun deaths last year, they had 112. Do you think it's because Americans are more homicidal by nature? Or do you think it's because those guys have gun control laws?

nuff said!

His stats are way out. There were over 3 times that in Australia alone.

Reaper

[Reaper]

No not a load of crock, we are all forgetting that Australia didn't have a gun problem in the first place. Introducing gun laws into Australia actually increased Gun Crime and the black market, which also turned a lot of innocent people into criminals because they forgot they had a few bullets laying around in their back shed or didn't realise their Grand Father's rifle was hiding in their storage.

ORLY - care to back that up with some evidence??? Fact: In the 18 years before the Pt Arthur Masacer there were 13 mass shootings in Australia. Since then there have been 0. Zip, nill, nada!
Gun politics in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

USA have had major gun crime laws for a long time, I can gurrantee you if they were to introduce Australia's gun laws, it won't do jack for the same reason. If you are going to use a firearm to do something bad as if you are going to go and get a license to do so. Geez I am going to shoot someone with my firearm that has it's serial number registered on a national database to my name, including where I bought the firearm from, which ammo I bought, etc. I don't think so.
Cananda were going to introduce firearm laws and looked at doing similar to Australia, until they realised that our statistics of firearms crime actually increased after our laws were introduced I wonder why?

Once again - care to show some objective evidence??? From the website quoted above:

The number of guns stolen has fallen dramatically from an average 4,195 per year from 1994-2000 to 1,526 in 2006–2007

As the saying goes, guns don't kill people, it's people that kill people.

Yet billions of examples world wide show that people can't be trusted not to eat themselves to death so clearly firearms are beyond the vast majority of the population.

Reaper

[STEEV888]

to OP
AUS laws are the same.
dont see why you think its stupid.

old bloke was in belief his life was in danger so he corrected that belief which is completely within his rights to do.
in USA in AUS its both the same.

i did make a post about a similar thing in another thread with somebody complaining about not having the right to self defence.
you bet your arse you do!

[STEEV888]

found it.

step 1. if they are within the boundaries of your property ask them for legal identification.
step 2. if they do not provide it you have the right to ask/tell them to leave.
step 3. you may now use reasonable force to remove them from your property (reasonable being deemed on what a group of random people come to the conclusion of what level of force is necessary to remove patrons)
step 4. if they are to pick up objects and threaten you and you genuinely feel that yours or your families (or whoever is with you) lives are in grave danger you may shoot all 7 of them legally and not be prosecuted for it.
step 5. enjoy your therapy.

this guy started at step 4. as he was hit with a bat.

umm.. its from inclosed lands act of 1901 and lepra section 321 (i think)

[IMCRZY]

If no one has guns, no one can shoot each other.....

Fairly simple

[Matty.b]

then people would simply use knives, hammers, pieces of wood etc.

i collect Fire-arms and have been around them my entire life, anyone who thinks people with guns are all unstable is i must say a FOOL, they are tools simply
my fire-arms collection includes some very rare pieces from conflicts in the worlds past, do you think that these (which cannot be replaced) should be crushed and lost for future generations, firearms are a reality...it is part of the existence and our world...get over it, is this yet another step towards a nanny state maybe

anyone out there read about the invasion of Norway by Germany in WW2 (Norway had no standing army) or the Soviet Invasion of Finland in the Winter war?

[torch]

Geez I am going to shoot someone with my firearm that has it's serial number registered on a national database to my name, including where I bought the firearm from, which ammo I bought, etc. I don't think so.

You have obviously forgot about the maniacs that want to inflict harm on others and dont care if they get caught, the recent shooting of Senator Gifford and the shooting of 18 others, six fatally in Tuscon Arizona. A seemingly frequent scenario in the states.
Laughner, had a licence and a registered weapon, though some there clinging to their 1st amendment, state that he really obtained the weapon illegally because he lied about being a dope addict.....ffs: Jared Loughner DID NOT legally obtain a gun. | Rob Doar . com