hanging rock car show, a major disapointment

[vtssII]

just thought id let everyone know in my anger and discust with ban incars made in 1985+ from hanging rock,

first off ive been a regular attender of hanging rock for the passed 15 years. this year was denied entry in a modern vehicle which i have spent a decent amount of time and money to get it looking how i wanted. saying that the cut off is 1985. then to much of my discust, there were several cars that werent as clean as mine that had been let into display, and heaps of cars made after 1985. some of these included Ferrari's, porsche's, ve commodores, and even a vl walkinshaw. so picking and choosing the age cut off was used on the day. this isnt to mention that about 60-70% of bikes on display were modern as well.

its clubs like this which are destroying the car scenes future. trying to seperate youths and seniors, turning away a young kid in his car weather itd be a vn ss or something just with a set of rims lowered and a sound system, means he wont be back next year. the old farts that are incharge of running these events are just pushing kids away from it, with that occuring will the next generation be into classic cars? i highly doubt that after what ive seen.

[FstStig]

with that occuring will the next generation be into classic cars? i highly doubt that after what ive seen.

Yeah fairly sure they will be... Take for example my Brother is only 19 years old, and owns a fully restored 1965 Ford Mustang Coupe. He only paid $19,000 for it. I'm only 20 going on 21 and i would love an older style Monaro or mustang, but funds just do not allow this at this present time.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

Hmm, i will probably get flamed for this, however, i totally agree with them having a year cut off. Honestly, they don't want late model cars at these type of shows, they want classic cars. I think shows like this, should have a chrome bumper cut off, no chrome bumpers no entry.

Seriously, there are heaps of shows out there for late model cars/Commodores, cruise for charity, all holden day etc. People who are into classic cars (as the organisers of this event obviously are....) don't want to spend most of there day walking around looking at a bunch of late model cars with nothing more than a set of wheels and lowered suspension. That's not what these shows are all about....

Don't take this the wrong way, i'm not trying to run down late model cars at all, i'm just saying that if the organisers want to have only classic cars at there show, you need to respect there decision.

[minux]

Blown, i think you missed the part where he said there were many cars PAST the 85 cut off entered though.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

Blown, i think you missed the part where he said there were many cars PAST the 85 cut off entered though.

Yes, i just re-read his post and i did miss that part. Yeh, that sucks, no doubt. If they are going to have a cut off, then that cut off needs to be enforced with everyone. The Walky i can understand being let in though, it's a factory muscle car, i have no problem with looking at muscle cars of any era.

I still stand by my comments though.

[ClairBear]

I take the line that the organisers can accept and deny who they want. It's their show and the general public should not get to dictate how it's run. Bad luck if you didn't get in, I am sure there was good reason and as usual we are only hearing one side of the story.

[soop]

What happens in 10yrs time when the VN SS is old enough to be considered a classic?

[CSP]

its clubs like this which are destroying the car scenes future. trying to seperate youths and seniors, turning away a young kid in his car weather itd be a vn ss or something just with a set of rims lowered and a sound system, means he wont be back next year. the old farts that are incharge of running these events are just pushing kids away from it, with that occuring will the next generation be into classic cars? i highly doubt that after what ive seen.

GOOD!!! Who wants to see every P plater's bogan mobile at a car show? It's one of the reasons Summernats is going downhill FAST. NO STANDARDS!!! Organisers that set standards at car shows should be commended.

[soop]

All for standards.
Build year doesn't dictate a standard though.

[ari666]

no chrome bumpers no entry.

why would you get flamed for that?!? man i am + reppin' ya right now ;p

[soop]

It doesn't help the scene though.

[CSP]

It doesn't help the scene though.

Neither does allowing an SS Commodore that's lowered with big wheels, stereo and exhaust. A car has to be more than "clean" for a show imo.

[soop]

No arguement there.
What constitutes a car show?

Personally I don't want to see autosalon spec cars anywhere.

[Troy711]

I'm in 2 minds about this. First off I agree with Sash and CSP (and their comments) however I don't see the reason for a cut off year. I've seen some hugely impressive cars built after 1985. You said you have your car built to 'how you want' did you stop and think that maybe the organisers of the show have a different opinion of whats good and what isn't? Having never seen your car I can't make a judgment either way. Maybe post some specs/pics and we can see if your rant is justified or not...?

[Jesterarts]

Yeah, I'm kind of with the organiser on this one. I have yet to go to a car show where a VT SS makes the cun unless it has been modified HEAVILY.

Plus, if it's a private organiser then they get to pick and choose what they consider show worthy.

VL Walky will pull people to a car show, as will Ferraris and Porsches of any year.

I wouldn't get that worked up about it really. It's your car, you're supposed to like it and to hell with what others think.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

What happens in 10yrs time when the VN SS is old enough to be considered a classic?

It still doesn't get let in? IMO, even though the age will say it can be "classed" as a classic, plastic bumper cars will never be classic cars....Classic cars have chrome bumpers! I disagree that age doesn't dictate standards, i have always found there are a lot more quality cars at shows that have a cut off year, simply because people can't just go get a $500 VN V6 slam a set of wheels on it, cut the springs and enter the show.

GOOD!!! Who wants to see every P plater's bogan mobile at a car show? It's one of the reasons Summernats is going downhill FAST. NO STANDARDS!!! Organisers that set standards at car shows should be commended.

Exactly, totally agree CSP.

It doesn't help the scene though.

I think quiet the opposite, it does help the scene.

[Troy711]

Modern cars have their place at any car show so long as they are different or massively modified.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

Modern cars have their place at any car show so long as they are different or massively modified.

No, not at ANY car show....Tell that to hot rodders and see what response you get.

Hot rodders don't even really like anything that's not a hot rod at there shows, but they tolerate your car if it has chrome bumpers. I like that some of these shows have a cut off year, i think it's a great idea.

[soop]

It still doesn't get let in? IMO, even though the age will say it can be "classed" as a classic, plastic bumper cars will never be classic cars....Classic cars have chrome bumpers! I disagree that age doesn't dictate standards, i have always found there are a lot more quality cars at shows that have a cut off year, simply because people can't just go get a $500 VN V6 slam a set of wheels on it, cut the springs and enter the show.



Exactly, totally agree CSP.



I think quiet the opposite, it does help the scene.

Eventually your "Classic" cars are just going to exist in museums and memories though.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

Eventually your "Classic" cars are just going to exist in museums and memories though.

Really? And why is that soop?

[soop]

How many genuine 44 Chryslers and such do you see getting around?

Hell, its fairly rare to see a Model T, and at one point they made up 55% of the cars on the plannet. Can't remember how long its been since I seen one...

Eventually Kingswoods will be the same, and XY falcons.

One day, VN SS will hold the same prestiege as a v8 HQ.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

How many genuine 44 Chryslers and such do you see getting around?

Hell, its fairly rare to see a Model T, and at one point they made up 55% of the cars on the plannet. Can't remember how long its been since I seen one...

Eventually Kingswoods will be the same, and XY falcons.

One day, VN SS will hold the same prestiege as a v8 HQ.

Yes, but you're talking VERY old cars there....The motor car has come a long, long way since then. However, when you compare a Torana or HQ to a 1st or 2nd gen commo (probably even early 3rd for that matter), the motor car didn't evolve very far in that 20 year period IMO. Chrome bumper cars will be around for a long time yet, believe me.

VN will never hold the same prestige as an HQ.

Go to a hot rod run and see how many 1930-1950 model cars are still alive and kicking, you'd be very suprised.

[soop]

I can remember when I was young, HQ's were everywhere. This only going back to the early/mid 90's.
They were a dime a dozen.
Now... Not so much.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

I can remember when I was young, HQ's were everywhere. This only going back to the early/mid 90's.
They were a dime a dozen.
Now... Not so much.

LOL, where are you living? I see multiple HQ-WB's everyday here, infact sometimes i think they are getting more popular these days.

From all reports I've heard from this year Summernats, there were more HQ-WB's than commos, and thats saying something when you're talking about the commodorenats.

This is getting way off topic though....

[vsl67]

Having A 57 pontiac and the staesman I can see both sides But Im always hesistant about showing the statesman with classics or V8 's for matter But I find that the stato gets a good response because its different and not the usual V8 Combo ,But to be honest I sick of seeing sub standard cars entered in shows especially late model stuff ,if I want To look at sub standard cars I would just look through street commodore magazine they seem to out number the good cars in most issues