Are Pitbulls illegal in S.A

[BVL87]

the worst thing is most of the dog attacks these days are done by cross breeds now if u seen my dogs u would say NA THERE NOT PITBULLS BUT I HAVE PAPERS TO PROVE IT. if its a big tanned dog it gets labeled a pitbull which sucks for us responisable pitbull owners. My dogs weight (mother 29 kilos) and daughter (39 kilos) the mother is 13 years old has had 1 fight (with a rottie) and the daughter who is 10 has had none. not very dangerous at all. the mum snapped at a friend once because she bent down to pat a puppy that was feeding . and that would happen with any dog breed.


and dont personally attack me about having kids as im a single dad and quiet a good one as well. this was not about personal attacks its about dogs.

so u hate pitbulls u have made ur point no shut up.

[MR.HG]

yea stop bashing animal lovers....the thread is about legality in SA and im sure that has been answered here so close thread maybe?

[ClairBear]

have made ur point no shut up.

You are new here and have much to learn about forum etiquette. You certainly don't start telling people here to shut up.

If you are done with the debate here you simply do not visit this thread again, but realise that others may wish to continue the debate.

[BVL87]

dude u told me i needed a licence to have children so if i tell u to shut up then there aint a thing u can do about it.......maybe look at what u write before passing judgment

[ClairBear]

dude u told me i needed a licence to have children

Oh dear, you are very confused. I didn't say that, Minux did:

Are Pitbulls illegal in S.A

so if i tell u to shut up then there aint a thing u can do about it..

If you abuse members there is actually something that can be done. May I suggest you stop by the rules page next.

.......maybe look at what u write before passing judgment

.......maybe you need to learn to pay attention to who said what so you don't look silly by replying to the wrong user

[Zeussy]

Pretty much summed up the answer yourself.

Come on Sash, expected more than nit-picking from you?
That was the intention of my post, worded the way it was.

More or less outlining the double standards that you and a lot of other people share on this forum.

Most dogs nip at you causing a small surface abrasion or puncture wound. A Pit Bull hangs on and causes deep wounds. Compare the mouth size and teeth of a Pit Bull to a smaller breed. Most other breeds need to be provoked to bite you. Pit Bulls have attacked without provocation.

Again, unfair double standards,

"most other breeds need to be provoked..."
"Pit Bulls have been known to attack..."

Reverse that statement and it still works out. Not all Pit Bulls are killing Machines. Not all other breeds are angels.

I'd bet that if you compared the mouth and teeth size of a Pit Bull and a German Shepard, or an Alaskan Malamute, or a Huskie, or even a Doberman, you would find a great deal of similarities. Even proven elsewhere, the bite force of a Pit Bull is no worse than a few of the breeds I have listed.

Have you seen a German Shepard attack something, or some one? They don't exactly let go straight away, shaking and thrashing their heads around...

I will always have the opinion that 90% of the Bad Image Pit Bulls and similar breeds have is all due to Media Hype, mis-information, and fear.

Now I'm not saying that "100% of Pit Bulls won't ever attack anyone." But saying the risks are in proportion to any other dog breed that size.

[ClairBear]

Come on Sash, expected more than nit-picking from you?

LOL, I was being lazy but using your own statement against you.

Again, unfair double standards,

"most other breeds need to be provoked..."
"Pit Bulls have been known to attack..."
Reverse that statement and it still works out. Not all Pit Bulls are killing Machines. Not all other breeds are angels.

I am basing this on news stories I have read where Pit Bulls who are roaming loose have randomly attacked other dogs/cats and humans. However I am not going to sit here and say that no other breed has ever done that, it just seems to be this breed does that.

I will always have the opinion that 90% of the Bad Image Pit Bulls and similar breeds have is all due to Media Hype, mis-information, and fear.

Why is it though? Not just here in Australia but other Countries. Surely not all Countries can randomly pick the same breed and form the same opinion that they are dangerous and should be banned, which to my mind gives clout the the argument they are.

Now I'm not saying that "100% of Pit Bulls won't ever attack anyone." But saying the risks are in proportion to any other dog breed that size.

Would you agree that most of the Pit Bulls in these attacks are owned by people who train these dogs to attack, be that as fighting dogs or as guard dogs?

[oska]

sure, I believe this dog breed of dog alone has required thousands of people to get urgent medical attention each year: YouTube - Man Attacked by Cavalier King Charles Spaniel

i can confirm this i have a cavalier friendliest dog in the world, wouldn't bite anyone no matter what and loves kids

not all dogs are the same

BTW i would not put a staffy in the same class as pitbulls

staffies are awesome

[MR.HG]

Would you agree that most of the Pit Bulls in these attacks are owned by people who train these dogs to attack, be that as fighting dogs or as guard dogs?

i think this is what everyone is saying about pitbulls - its the owner not the breed.
If other dog breeds were trained to attack would they still maim and or kill?most trained pit fighting dogs dont attack their owners and exploiting the loyalty of the pitbulls nature and tapping into their natural instincts is what makes these dogs a desired breed for fighting. you can train a dog to be a guard dog in the same sense as you can train a dog to fight, or just love the dog and train it to sit, play dead etc.

[Zeussy]

LOL, I was being lazy but using your own statement against you.

To me the "ban one dog, and not another based on their ability to inflict wounds" is a bit one sided. I was trying to point that out.

Its almost like saying "raping some one is ok, but only if you have a small penis and don't cause any damage while you're there..." (a bit of an unrealistc comparison, but hopefully you can see where I'm coming from)

Why is it though? Not just here in Australia but other Countries. Surely not all Countries can randomly pick the same breed and form the same opinion that they are dangerous and should be banned, which to my mind gives clout the the argument they are.

I think (purely my opinion) it has a lot to do with their physical appearance, (especially with docked ears) they look like a fairly angry ball of muscle, especially when they growl; Be it playful, or serious.

And of course the damage they could cause if trained to be an aggressive dog; IMO, very similar carnage as a trained German Shepard guard dog could inflict. A mate had one and the thing used to scare the shit out of me (fairly big bloke, 6'4" normally a dog would never make me un-easy, but this thing was crazy).

Probably a majoring factor in the amount of attacks recorded by Pit Bulls is directly related to their "look." Not from fear, but the fact that there is a lot of bogan imbreds that feel they need an agressive/guard dog to protect themselves; Or to make them selves look "tougher."

Would you agree that most of the Pit Bulls in these attacks are owned by people who train these dogs to attack, be that as fighting dogs or as guard dogs?

Yes, definately. And that they aren't restrained properly, or fenced in as any dog should be.

Again, IMO it is extremely unfortunate for a trained Guard Dog to come into contact with/maul anyone be it a small child, or grown adult.
But, it is down right irresponsible and disgusting that anyone would treat any (breed of) dog poorly enough that they develope a personality disorder, or are just plain aggressive all day every day.

Its unfair that this particular breed of dog be targeted for something that a number of other breeds could potentially be responsible for aswell.

In a lot of cases, I feel its not the dogs fault, but the owners for creating an absolute animal. Pardon the Pun!

/Ramble

[BVL87]

god its not the owner or the dog ITS THE MEDIA MAKING THE MISTAKE OF TELLING EVERYONE THAT IT WAS A PITBULL. really from what ive seen on news and even youtube over half the dogs that are being called pitbulls that are doing these attacks are NOT PITBULLS. but because they have a wide breast plate and clipped ears and are a tanned dog there called pitbulls.

oh no there s been a dog attack (medai man jumps in ) oh bet its a pitbull. oh look its a cattledog (media man again) oh but i bet its crossed with pitbull. and thats where the problem starts cause they have a bad name as soon as there is a dog attack its just thought that its a pitbull when 90% of the time its not.


and sash sorry my mistake

[Banicks]

For my 2 cents.

I love dogs, but it has been proven that this pure breed can snap. When it does snap, it is a bloody dangerous and difficult breed to stop. Those who own these placid pit bulls, most likely they can be assured it is not a pure breed. It will have lost it's genetic disposition to aggression through cross breeding or false documentation of pit bull breeding.

In my opinion, muzzles should be mandatory when outside of its yard if this breed were to exist. What the owner of the dog then allows in their yard is at their own risk , be it kids, strangers, other dogs and so on. Darwin's law can naturally take its own effect then. But, because owner's were unable to curb dogs escaping or the x factor, this dog was removed as an option.

And in my opinion, there is no justification for the desire to have an illegal dog. Dogs are all loyal, and if you want the pit bull for its body - get a boxer (the pit bull was cross bred with bulldogs and boxers during it's beginnings). If you want it for it's aggression - you're an idiot.

[vzchick77]

as an ex american staffy breeder no they are not the same as a pitbull but they do share pitbull blood lines, English staffies and American staffy have very different personalities (english are well known as the nanna dog because have known to be quite the sulky dog), I still own 2 AM staffies and they are both good dogs to myself but they dont tend to like other dogs or children, so when walked or outside of my yard they are taken out in a responsible way they have harnesses on not just a basic lead as you need to control that strong chest area not around their neck and they are both wearing muzzles. Being a ex breeder not a single breed of dog should be left alone with a small child as any animal tormented enough will eventually get angry and maybe not in a week a month or a year but they will show the child not to do that anymore. Small dogs can be savage one particular breed is a jack russel I have seen a 40 year old man go to kick a jack russel away and the dog has taken his calf muscle with him. Do I agree with banning breeds no I do not but I do think their should be better screening into who breeders sell innocent puppies to. I mean you see children with Adhd act out in anger and voilence on news programs an do we ban them no we dont nor should we, so why ban something that one humans raise two something that in 99% cases humans nuture their behaviour. As I said I have 2 agressive dogs but they are both 2 and 7 years old with out attacking anything to date and I am confident wont until they pass away. If you are wondering I have children in my home and I also own a lab who again is not left alone with small children although his a sulkie it just me being a responsible dog owner.

[vsowner94]

vzchick you said you were a breeder, so would you be able to tell me the difference between an american staffy and a pitbull?
not sure which my beloved dog is, been told different stories from people.