VF Commodore locked in

[jujibelly]

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New Holden VF Commodore locked in for 2013 | Next gen Commodore

Doubt it will look any different to the VE.

Although looking forward to the new commodore 2018. Seems such long, long way away.

[dijm8]

i would just say maybe another facelift or interior change nothing major

[HamaTime™]

VF doesn't roll off the tongue well...

Just call it the VE Series 3?

[Reaper]

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New Holden VF Commodore locked in for 2013 | Next gen Commodore

Doubt it will look any different to the VE.

Although looking forward to the new commodore 2018. Seems such long, long way away.

It is significant facelift with new sheet metal on an updated zeta platform. Think along the lines of the change from VP - VR. As for styling, think latest Cruze & Captiva for the lead.

Reaper

[minux]

As for styling, think latest Cruze & Captiva for the lead.

Reaper

If it takes on the cruze styling it could look really good...if it goes epica way...well it will mean one ugly piece of car lol.

[Reaper]

If it takes on the cruze styling it could look really good...if it goes epica way...well it will mean one ugly piece of car lol.

Epica is quite dated now and has been more or less superseded by the the Cruze. Cruze II is the latest theme they are running.

Reaper

[Drawnnite]

lets hope they fix up one major problem. the A Pillars.
been in and driven a VE Calais and it creates a massive blind spot just waiting on people to be hit/killed because they werent seen

hopefully they do make it look better. and if they do go the cruze way itll look good.
maybe even some good stock models. eg the 5L executive could now be the 6.3L Omega

[Reaper]

lets hope they fix up one major problem. the A Pillars.
been in and driven a VE Calais and it creates a massive blind spot just waiting on people to be hit/killed because they werent seen

I doubt it will/can be changed till they give it a rebody down the track a bit.

hopefully they do make it look better. and if they do go the cruze way itll look good.
maybe even some good stock models. eg the 5L executive could now be the 6.3L Omega

??? Huh

Reaper

[elmaso]

well it seem to be what holdens done ever since the commodore was released in australia, 1st gen was around for about 10 years, 2nd gen was 9 and the 3rd 9. so makes sense that the VF will just have a face lift and a few minor cosmetic changes, until the 4th gen commodores days are up. it costs millions to make a brand new car anyway.

[walesy]

??? Huh

Reaper

im guessing he means hopefully they bring out v8 based low end models, like a VP executive i use to own that was factory 5ltr... these days all omegas are v6... bring on a 6.2ltr omega

[CSP]

lets hope they fix up one major problem. the A Pillars.

That's not a major problem though. Had three VEs and never had an issue with blind spots caused by the a-pillars. But my eyes and head move. I guess there could be an issue if they didn't.

Something they need to fix is the cheap crappy interiors. When compared with other makes out there, including both Ford and Toyota, the Holden Commodore interior quality just can't compete.

[Reaper]

im guessing he means hopefully they bring out v8 based low end models, like a VP executive i use to own that was factory 5ltr... these days all omegas are v6... bring on a 6.2ltr omega

Very much doubt that will happen. The closest you will get is an SS which takes the place of the old SV8.

Reaper

[Calaber]

It is significant facelift with new sheet metal on an updated zeta platform. Think along the lines of the change from VP - VR. As for styling, think latest Cruze & Captiva for the lead.

Reaper

Agreed. The article I read recently indicated that it will be a significant mid life upgrade, not just a minor nip and tuck. The VE shape is getting old now and the Series 2 really didn't do enough to freshen the design. The dash and centre stack is in desperate need of a full overhaul (and a perceived improvement in quality of materials) and I feel sure the front sheetmetal will all be altered. If this design is to last until 2018, a minor facelift will fail. The car needs a serious design overhaul to go the distance.

Family design cues are sure to come from other recent GM offerings and the Cruze (especially Cruze II) gives clues to the way the Commodore will look.

[Full Spectrum]

The boys on GM insider news talk about the flexibility of the platform. and how it's not that tough for them to make a large facelift without going over the top. by that facelift time they should be using the new 5.5lt V8 and other news was they intended to reduce the size of the A pillar, but time and money was against them for Series 2. when i see the camaro has the VE platform under it. you cant deny its got a few tricks up its sleeve.

[B-roca]

If they make the VF a front wheel drive as the article suggests it may become, I think i'd top myslef.
Front wheel drive + Commodore =
To be honest I pretty much dislike all front wheel drive cars.

[Drawnnite]

im guessing he means hopefully they bring out v8 based low end models, like a VP executive i use to own that was factory 5ltr... these days all omegas are v6... bring on a 6.2ltr omega

thats what i ment sorry for your confusion =P

as for the interior, it has started to look cheap and plasticy.
it just doesnt have (to me) the same appeal as a vz. i know its still plasticy in the old vz's but the sorter feel and textures made it look less plasticy.

overall i can see this being a pretty good car though.

[UFO]

such a small picture of just the grill, and already I dont like it!

why oh why must holden have massive bling bling badges on the front grill?
they look butt ugly!!

[UFO]

lets hope they fix up one major problem. the A Pillars.
been in and driven a VE Calais and it creates a massive blind spot just waiting on people to be hit/killed because they werent seen

i disagree... i dont think its a "major problem" at all.
yeah it takes like 5min to get used to it, but I can honestly say ive never been driving along thinking "damn... I cant see shit!".
move your head 5cm, problem solved.
I much prefer to have to move my head voluntarily like that, then having it moved for me and hurt in a collision. there's a reason the A pillar is thicker than previous holdens.... its because its safer.

if im going to complain about anything, its the integrated audio setup thats the most annoying. on current VE's it looks shait and because its all tied in with the security functions of the car, it cant be modified.

[UFO]

The big question mark remains over the future beyond the VF and whether Commodore will continue as a rear-wheel drive model or whether it will switch to front/all-wheel drive as the next Ford Falcon is expected to do

- article

GOD NO!
The reason Ford changed things up is because they got nothing to lose... they are getting flogged in sales.
I couldnt imagine a worse fate than a Commodore being front wheel drive!!!
Glad the boss isnt looking to change it!

[CSP]

such a small picture of just the grill, and already I dont like it!

errrr... that pic is from the current model...

[Reaper]

The boys on GM insider news talk about the flexibility of the platform. and how it's not that tough for them to make a large facelift without going over the top. by that facelift time they should be using the new 5.5lt V8 and other news was they intended to reduce the size of the A pillar, but time and money was against them for Series 2. when i see the camaro has the VE platform under it. you cant deny its got a few tricks up its sleeve.

The problem with changing the pillars is all the other changes that are necessary too such as front doors, glass, roof and associated trim and dash changes. I can't see it myself but would be happy to be wrong on this one. Changing front/rear sheet metal is a relatively straight forward proposition.

i disagree... i dont think its a "major problem" at all.
yeah it takes like 5min to get used to it, but I can honestly say ive never been driving along thinking "damn... I cant see shit!".
move your head 5cm, problem solved.
I much prefer to have to move my head voluntarily like that, then having it moved for me and hurt in a collision. there's a reason the A pillar is thicker than previous holdens.... its because its safer.

Yeah it is, particularly amongst females. You can hide a semi trailer behind them if you try hard enough!

if im going to complain about anything, its the integrated audio setup thats the most annoying. on current VE's it looks shait and because its all tied in with the security functions of the car, it cant be modified.

I can't see that changing either. They are going to become more integrated if anything.

- article

GOD NO!
The reason Ford changed things up is because they got nothing to lose... they are getting flogged in sales.
I couldnt imagine a worse fate than a Commodore being front wheel drive!!!
Glad the boss isnt looking to change it!

The Commodore will remain RWD for at least the rest of the life of the Zeta platform which is expected to be 10+ years (with upgrades along the way). Beyond 2020 anything is possible however I would think FWD is unlikely unless there is a major shift or world change in the next 4 years by when the decision will be made.

Reaper

[CSP]

Yeah it is, particularly amongst females. You can hide a semi trailer behind them if you try hard enough!

That's just flat out wrong.

[elmaso]

i doubt the commodore will go front wheel drive, the only reason the falcon is cause there bringing in the tauras, giving you awd and fwd.
and ford motor company US doesnt know shit about australian buyers.

[Lumps of cheese]

The pillars are a pain in the arse but once you get used to them they aren't too bad.

[jujibelly]

I'd be pretty happy with a awd drivetrain tho. I'll keep dreaming.