Speeding Margin to be axed.

[Banicks]

Margin for error on speeding reduced to zero

Oh dear.

[ClairBear]

The answer is simple. Don't speed. 60 means 60, not 61, 62 or 63 etc. If that was the case the sign would read 60ish.

[Cameron P]

thats bullshit! if i ever get caught doing say 61 in a 60 zone and lose my licence(p plater) i will deadset plant a bomb in the RTA building and blow them ####ers up!!!!!

[Cameron P]

The answer is simple. Don't speed. 60 means 60, not 61, 62 or 63 etc. If that was the case the sign would read 60ish.

yeah but to not ever go 1km/h over you will have to constantly look at your speedo(like you do with the bloody safety camera's)... unsafe much

the leeway is there just in case you accidently go abit over.

[old mate]

meh, they have to catch you first (not the case with roadside cameras) haha.

[ClairBear]

yeah but to not ever go 1km/h over you will have to constantly look at your speedo.

Set your speed alert to 5ks below the speed limit. When my oldest son first got his licence he spent the first two years constantly changing his speed alert as he drove through various speed zones to ensure he never got busted for speeding and lost his licence. It worked for him, so why not the rest of us?

[moggy]

Don't Australian Standards allow up to a 10% error in speedo readings?? One word. REVENUE.

[Banicks]

The concern I have, is that people who purchase after market wheels will knock their speedos out of accuracy. Be it under or over, this was my understanding to the leeway for the cameras.

I can imagine some poor bugger cruising along at 60km/h, when in actuality he is doing 61km/h, then getting clocked for it. I mean quite honestly, it just seems trivial.

That said, the majority of the population do 5-10 below the limit when coming up to a fixed camera these days anyway. But IMO, it's revenue yet again. Perhaps a slow year?

It irks me that I, and others, are now forced to watch my speedo as opposed to possible hazards coming into an intersection these days as a result of things like this.

[ClairBear]

I have after market wheels on one of my cars, with GPS in that car. I have noticed the GPS speed readout when I have cruise control set is different, therefore I use the GPS to monitor my speed.

[minux]

I have after market wheels on one of my cars, with GPS in that car. I have noticed the GPS speed readout when I have cruise control set is different, therefore I use the GPS to monitor my speed.

Ahh so now you have to monitor a 3rd party item while you drive? No thanks, it is hard enough driving to over populated roads as it is let alone also monitoring ANOTHER item in the car.

Seriously, these laws are pathetic.

[moggy]

And whos to say that the GPS is correct?

[Cameron P]

It irks me that I, and others, are now forced to watch my speedo as opposed to possible hazards coming into an intersection these days as a result of things like this.

sahyre....you watch your gps.. your son was constantly fiddling with his dash. its just dangerous imo

you cant tell me that when you drive you never go 1km/h over the speed limit..

[Cameron P]

people like you need cruise control..

[old mate]

i would like to know how much safer i am if i am doing 60km/h or 61km/h..

[Calaber]

Don't Australian Standards allow up to a 10% error in speedo readings?? One word. REVENUE.

Yes, the ADR's allow a margin of error but the speedo must read faster than actual speed, not slower. Therefore, your speedo would have to be indicating more than just 1-3 km over the limit for you to be actually speeding, and you would therefore be pretty well aware of what your indicated speed was.

That said, the RTA has been criticized for its "law unto itself" attitude by the Liberal Party in this State and from tomorrow night, they should be in government. I suspect that the RTA report might just get filed away, because the Libs have a policy of reducing mobile speed cameras, possibly increasing speed limits on certain roads and increasing the number of HWP police.

[Calaber]

The concern I have, is that people who purchase after market wheels will knock their speedos out of accuracy. Be it under or over, this was my understanding to the leeway for the cameras.

I can imagine some poor bugger cruising along at 60km/h, when in actuality he is doing 61km/h, then getting clocked for it. I mean quite honestly, it just seems trivial.

That said, the majority of the population do 5-10 below the limit when coming up to a fixed camera these days anyway. But IMO, it's revenue yet again. Perhaps a slow year?

It irks me that I, and others, are now forced to watch my speedo as opposed to possible hazards coming into an intersection these days as a result of things like this.

You don't need aftermarket wheels to throw the speedo out. I had a car years ago that came standard with 195-60/14's and I had 205-65/14's fitted. I was pulled over twice in one week and told I was speeding. The second time, I had seen the police car following and watched to see that my speedo was bang on 50kmh. When he stopped me, I said I couldn't understant why he had done so as I had watched the speedo and checked that I was not speeding. The police officer admitted he thought it was strange that I continued to exceed the limit when it was obvious I had seen him behind me. The larger tyres had thrown the speedo out considerably - enough for him to stop me. He looked at the car and let me off and we discussed the fact that the tyres were obviously affecting the speedo reading adversely.

[Banicks]

The GPS speedo is inaccurate and has latency. My VE is stock, and the GPS displays my speed as 3km/h under the display. If you entrust your license to a 3rd party device built to direct and guide, power to you.

Someone mentioned cruise control, but at 60km/h and in suburban traffic, really? It's just not practical and as stated, it really seems trivial for a difference of between 1 to 3 km/h over the limit, which lets admit, we all do without even noticing at some point during our driving.

[bogan_vk]

all these bullshit laws coming in makes me want to give up driving fullstop everywhere you drive youve got to be paranoid about bloody cameras not to mention the accuracy of them the accuracy of your speedo its too easy to cop a fine even if you think your doing the right thing and not speeding, and watching your speed constantly is more dangerous than speeding, its crap that you have to constantly look at the speedo when your eyes should be on the road.

[minux]

You don't need aftermarket wheels to throw the speedo out. I had a car years ago that came standard with 195-60/14's and I had 205-65/14's fitted. I was pulled over twice in one week and told I was speeding. The second time, I had seen the police car following and watched to see that my speedo was bang on 50kmh. When he stopped me, I said I couldn't understant why he had done so as I had watched the speedo and checked that I was not speeding. The police officer admitted he thought it was strange that I continued to exceed the limit when it was obvious I had seen him behind me. The larger tyres had thrown the speedo out considerably - enough for him to stop me. He looked at the car and let me off and we discussed the fact that the tyres were obviously affecting the speedo reading adversely.

Lets not forget tyre pressures etc. Which alter fairly drastically on hot or cold days.

[moggy]

Yep larger tyres will do that which raises another point. The 4X4 drivers with larger than standard wheels and tyres.. I am not against booking people for speeding but lets just use a bit of common sense. How easy is it to pick up a couple of kph just rolling off a hill? Should we be so preoccupied watching the speedo that we miss more critical things happening around us? Does anyone really believe that it would be a defence to say " I was concentrating on my speed/ looking at my GPS/adjusting my speed alert/ setting my cruise control and did not see the kid on the skate board" I don't think so. You are far better off missing him at 65kph than hitting him at 60.

[Cameron P]

Someone mentioned cruise control, but at 60km/h and in suburban traffic, really? It's just not practical and as stated, it really seems trivial for a difference of between 1 to 3 km/h over the limit, which lets admit, we all do without even noticing at some point during our driving.

i was only suggesting cruise control to sashyre... its only practical on a fwy or something

[Cameron P]

safetly camera's are bullshit! as soon as the lights go yellow shit hits then fan and everyone brakes hard and hesitates and omfg it is a nightmare sometimes

[TattoozNCars]

G.P.S are in accurate it take a total of 10 sec for the transmision to reach the satllite an return, in australia we only recive from 3-4 satilite's How is GpS Accurate It ISNT! proven fact .

[nathanVY]

What a joke! The car manufacturers only garuntee the speedos accuracy to within 10%!!

[Darren_L]

if you get done for 1 or 2kms over the speed limit, I'd challenge the ticket.
99% chance the ticket will be waived.

Qld law allows you to increase your tyre rolling diameter by up to 15mm. That's enough to make your speedo read at least 1kph lower than the actual vehicle speed. That's sufficient defense to provide 'reasonable doubt' ie ticket gets withdrawn before it even goes to court