JC Political Thread - For all things political Part 2

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Second tilt at the top job

Read the comments at the bottom of that article...scary stuff.

[Calaber]

Calaber, Tony started out with new policies etc. Problem we saw was that media outlets were bagging shit out of him (as well as Labor) because of budgetary issues. Now, last I checked they were in opposition so access to treasury is limited. How do you come up with attempted budgeted policy without this access? How do you come up with policy when the government IN POWER are treating the opposition like they are in power? How do you do it when the media do the same?

He has no choice but to call out the government because anything that is said is scrutinised much much more than the party in power<sic>.

I reckon there are elements within the newspaper media that are very heavily pro-Liberal (or anti-Labor) such as the Australian and the Daily Telegraph in NSW, and I imagine the Herald Sun in Melbourne. Certain key radio personalities are into Labor for all their worth, too and they have huge audiences. So I think there is plenty of support for the Liberals in the media at present. Abbott's policies were basically presented as the direct oppposite of Labors, or were cheaper (eg internet) alternatives which didn't cut the mustard with those independents. His Maternity Leave proposal was in reality, a tax on large companies, though it was far more generous than Labor's.

Over recent months though, Abbott has concentrated on attacking the government as a bad one, with too many bad taxes. Both true, but what does he now offer as alternatives? Admittedly, NO carbon tax is a good alternative and it seems to have the public on side. Anger at the way that was introduced is palpable - apart from Torch and one or two others on this forum, have you met anybody personally who supports this tax? I haven't.

I accept your point regarding access to Treasury, but with such an inept government as we have at present, there is plenty to offer the electorate that would be viable and valuable alternatives to existing government policy. Perhaps, if Labor is willing to spend 43 billion or whatever on the NBN, Abbott could offer an alternative (other than a cheaper internet) which would be more expensive than anything he has proposed to date, yet cost far less than the NBN and still offer the electorate something it really needs. (Alternative power delivery, perhaps - kill two birds with one stone.) His proposals would stand strong scrutiny if their value to the economy was undeniable.

[HamaTime™]

Australia is landsliding into an abyss of stupidity.

[some_guy]

Is anyone else under the impression that Kevin Rudd is making a small push for the leadership again?

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How I lost faith in multiculturalism | The Australian

Excellent article by someone who once demonised those who spoke out against this stuff...

[Calaber]

Is anyone else under the impression that Kevin Rudd is making a small push for the leadership again?

Quite possibly, although such an event is unlikely during the current term of government. Whatever the case, Rudd is a major problem for Gillard. A real loose cannon on the Labor deck.

[CSP]

Gillard is a bigger problem for Gillard!

[Calaber]

Gillard is a bigger problem for Gillard!

Yep, very true at present. She has to watch every step she makes and keep watching over her shoulder to see what Rudd is up to.

[Benjamin K]

Yes, sometimes I look at the crap that some of our younger generation get away with and think about how a near fatal beating would alter their behaviour for the better, but...

Perhaps you didnt go to a catholic school(either did I), but type corporal punishment, sexual abuse and catholic priest into a search engine and see how many hits you get.



Why dont you do a survey of the older cliental in prisons and see if there are any in there that didnt get the living daylight beaten out of them by either drunk parents, relatives or school masters(Im guessing most of them got away from school pretty early in life anyway).



So there you have one person who worked at the sharp end of the problem, but regardless you know best because the views of all teachers should be just tossed in the bin because they are just left wing bleeding heart commy bastards.

You seriously have no frickin idea, you have all these opinions that show you have no experience in all the shizzle you talk about.

My mother is a grade one teacher, she has one particular kid in her class who is absolute hell. He kicks, punches, bites and throws dirt at my mother when she tells him he has to do something. She has finished work worst then when she started on multiple occasions. She has had bruising pretty much every single week since the start of the year. We're are talking about a bloody 6 year old here, and he is already so out of control that he has been suspended twice in one week. And guess what, after the one day suspension (holiday) is over, he comes back and pulls the same stuff.

What is a teacher supposed to do, sit there and say "Stop it, you have to the count of three, 3...2...1.. Ok principals office for you". Get's to the principal, teacher gets a rest for a few hours for the shit head to come back and pull the exact same crap.

Or another example, a teacher was stabbed up here just about a month ago. Still sure the "please stop" way of discipline that you seem to think works is actually working in reality?

Just a stab in the dark here, you have no kids? You don't work with kids?

In short, just for your information. Fair enough you have an opinion, but this is my opinion here.

You're so misguided and un-informed that what you say carrys no weight. I'd go as far to say you just like to disagree because you lack the social skills to contribute to a conversation in a meaningfull way.

[torch]

You seriously have no frickin idea, you have all these opinions that show you have no experience in all the shizzle you talk about.

. And guess what, after the one day suspension (holiday) is over, he comes back and pulls the same stuff.

Benjamin sounds like the problem is that the child is allowed to remain at school and the revolving door policy of the school/system needs addressing, you are advocating that corporal punishment is the only solution to this problem?

There isnt one respectable education organisation, teacher's association/union etc, that advocates the return of corporal punishment - please have a think about that before labelling myself as uninformed.

[torch]

Yep, very true at present. She has to watch every step she makes and keep watching over her shoulder to see what Rudd is up to.

After KRudd's performance on Q&A on monday, my prediction is that his days even as foreign minister will be numbered.

[CSP]

There isnt one respectable education organisation, teacher's association/union etc, that advocates the return of corporal punishment - please have a think about that before labelling myself as uninformed.

That doesn't mean they're all right!!!! In fact it only serves to prove they're all WRONG!

[Calaber]

Benjamin sounds like the problem is that the child is allowed to remain at school and the revolving door policy of the school/system needs addressing, you are advocating that corporal punishment is the only solution to this problem?

There isnt one respectable education organisation, teacher's association/union etc, that advocates the return of corporal punishment - please have a think about that before labelling myself as uninformed.

OK, so let's assume you ARE informed, just for the moment. I asked you before but you have chosen to avoid the hard answer. If not corporal punishment, then what? It's patently obvious that whatever they do today, doesn't work, so instead of criticizing people for opposing your views, how about submitting your ideas on how to address the problem?

[CSP]

Um, I think you mean "blatantly" calaber. I don't think you can patent how obvious something is...

[Benjamin K]

Benjamin sounds like the problem is that the child is allowed to remain at school and the revolving door policy of the school/system needs addressing, you are advocating that corporal punishment is the only solution to this problem?

There isnt one respectable education organisation, teacher's association/union etc, that advocates the return of corporal punishment - please have a think about that before labelling myself as uninformed.

I'm gonna give you one last post, once again you prove my point. It's not a "revolving door policy". Did you know teachers aren't even aloud to restrain a violent kid? So when the shit head is physically harming a teacher, the teacher can't even push him back to defend them selves? Can't physically restrain them from bashing another kid? So while these kids are at school (which every australian citizen has a right to be) there is no way to control them apart from saying no you can't do that (you can suspend them all you want but it doesn't do anything, why? because wait... The parents can't even punish a kid these days for mucking up at school!). If you can not see something wrong with that then you need a effing reality check. Get in the real world and go ask some teachers, hell if you want I will go to my mums work and hand out a survey and post the results.

The union is as limp wristed as this goverment that rules us. They don't even represent the view of the people they are supposed to be representing (FYI I also know the NT Education unions top person).

[torch]

I'm gonna give you one last post, once again you prove my point. It's not a "revolving door policy". Did you know teachers aren't even aloud to restrain a violent kid? So when the shit head is physically harming a teacher, the teacher can't even push him back to defend them selves? Can't physically restrain them from bashing another kid? So while these kids are at school (which every australian citizen has a right to be) there is no way to control them apart from saying no you can't do that (you can suspend them all you want but it doesn't do anything, why? because wait... The parents can't even punish a kid these days for mucking up at school!). If you can not see something wrong with that then you need a effing reality check. Get in the real world and go ask some teachers, hell if you want I will go to my mums work and hand out a survey and post the results.

The union is as limp wristed as this goverment that rules us. They don't even represent the view of the people they are supposed to be representing (FYI I also know the NT Education unions top person).

Unfortunately Ben you havent addressed the point I raised, there are no teachers that will stand up an be counted and say they advocate the return of corporal punishment to the class room, surely there are some who have scruples if this is really the best thing?

[Reaper]

Benjamin sounds like the problem is that the child is allowed to remain at school and the revolving door policy of the school/system needs addressing, you are advocating that corporal punishment is the only solution to this problem?

There isnt one respectable education organisation, teacher's association/union etc, that advocates the return of corporal punishment - please have a think about that before labelling myself as uninformed.

And your solution to the problem is???

After KRudd's performance on Q&A on monday, my prediction is that his days even as foreign minister will be numbered.

Highly highly unlikely. Dump Rudd from the ministry and he resigns his seat then we have a by election which is the last thing Gillard wants. If the ALP loose (real chance) then it could turf them out of government.


Reaper

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Um, I think you mean "blatantly" calaber. I don't think you can patent how obvious something is...

You realise patently means unmistakably yeah lol?

And your solution to the problem is???

Reaper

Tax them for O2 usage.

[Calaber]

Um, I think you mean "blatantly" calaber. I don't think you can patent how obvious something is...

No, patently is correct. It has an altogether different meaning in this context and is not related to "taking a patent out on something". But "blatantly" would possibly have had a better and stronger application in my sentence.

[Calaber]

Calaber - died waiting for Torch to submit a practical solution on how to maintain discipline within schools........

[CSP]

You realise patently means unmistakably yeah lol?

Nope - there's my "something new" for today!

[Benjamin K]

Unfortunately Ben you havent addressed the point I raised, there are no teachers that will stand up an be counted and say they advocate the return of corporal punishment to the class room, surely there are some who have scruples if this is really the best thing?

Can you send me an invite to your fantasy world, everything seems so silky and fluffy there. Must be an awesome place to live? If no invite, where can I send my application?

Do you know how workers unions work?

[Grennan]

After KRudd's performance on Q&A on monday, my prediction is that his days even as foreign minister will be numbered.

Theres no way Gillard is going to say boo to Rudd at the moment, he is on the verge of having a giant 6 year old kid in Toys R Us tantrum. She wont risk having to go to an election and if she punishes him, thats exactly where we are going.

Rudd today said that despite calls for him to shut his gob, he will continue to reveal the truth about his time as Prime Minister. So expect some more to come out from him if he is questioned.

[Calaber]

I didn't like Rudd as PM, and have serious doubts about his fitness to return to that job. But shit, he sure looks and sounds more like a Prime Minister than that red headed idiot we have at present.

[some_guy]

I remeber when teachers could grab me by the arm and sit me in a chair. Wasn't the cain or any other punishment physical punishment, but it gave me the impression that if i misbehaved there could be further action taken against me to stop misbehaving. I also knew in the back of my head that if my mother were to be informed of said misbehavior, i would either get an earbashing or a good hard smack (Which i say was the best thing at the time).

Kids are smart enough to know these days that mum on the couch with her bundy and winny reds isnt going to care whether he's misbehaving or not and that a teacher cant put them in their place anymore, So they run an absolute riot.

Because in reality THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCES that will shock them enough to mkae them stop.
The way i was treated early on by teachers meant over the years i gained immense amount of respect towards them.

What im trying to say is teachers need to regain powers to restrain a child if it is deemed by them that the child is behaving incorrectly causing a disturbance to other childrens workflow or causing harm to other children.

The cain and stick might be a bit far but, teachers need some sort of power over children so that the children will respect the fact that the teacher IS in charge.