'Go Back To Where you Came From' TV program

[Banicks]

'Go Back To Where You Came From' Strictly For The Gullible

Finally an article that hit it on the nose.

I stopped watching this dribble of a program halfway through the 2 episode, it is blatant forced empathy on the 'participants' and viewers.

For example. If I positioned 6 people in a situation where they lose their jobs to a specific race of people, they're hungry, losing their homes, and then see a political figure who stands up for them, empowers them, gives them jobs again and homes. Wouldn't they support and proceed through that political figures doctrine? Heck yes.

Well those people would be empathetic to the German people who supported Hitler during his rise through the 1930s to early 40s. Ergo, Nazis.

If you place people in stressful situations they will break and empathise, but this is not a fair representation of the immigrants coming to Australia, it is a blatant attempt of misrepresenting the people illegally entering our country and pushing a bias.

I'm really annoyed that shows like this see air time. And if it is allowed to, lets take the other end of the spectrum to be fair and make a show about how elements of Australian culture are being ruined by the people immigrating who don't make an attempt to confirm to the Australian way. For example, the burqa identification debacle.

/end rant.

[TrikkBen]

Join the club mate...

[PRAVX II S]

I think its a great program. It will let the western world see how lucky they realy are. They should be greatfull for what they have. I feel for all the children they dont have the same luxuries as we do. No heater, no food, no video games,
Is great to see the school kid wanting to learn on the show something we luck over here in Oz.

[heyitsEnricoPallazzo]

I think its a great program. It will let the western world see how lucky they realy are. They should be greatfull for what they have. I feel for all the children they dont have the same luxuries as we do. No heater, no food, no video games,
Is great to see the school kid wanting to learn on the show something we luck over here in Oz.

You miss the point entirely.

Did you enter this country legally or illegally? And why?

We go to war in foreign countries when they threaten our way of life. Yet, if our citizen's do the same they are given public money?

[minux]

I think its a great program. It will let the western world see how lucky they realy are. They should be greatfull for what they have. I feel for all the children they dont have the same luxuries as we do. No heater, no food, no video games,
Is great to see the school kid wanting to learn on the show something we luck over here in Oz.

Is it great when people come here and then make use of our jails nbecause of crime?

I think these immigrants don't think much of our country and as such should be sent back to where ever the hell they come from. Clearly they have no idea how lucky they are to get to live here.

[Banicks]

Is it great when people come here and then make use of our jails nbecause of crime?

I think these immigrants don't think much of our country and as such should be sent back to where ever the hell they come from. Clearly they have no idea how lucky they are to get to live here.

Oh they do have an idea of how lucky they are, it's just unfortunate that some of them go the extra mile to exploit it through our decency.

[minux]

Oh they do have an idea of how lucky they are, it's just unfortunate that some of them go the extra mile to exploit it through our decency.

Indeed, it is bad enough we have our own scumbags to deal with, let alone importing them.

[-=Blondie=-]

As banicks said they come over here and refuse to conform to our way yet if we are to go over to there country to live if we don't conform to there ways then holy hell look out!
I have always been taught what is good for the goose is good for the gander, so how come Australia is expected to change there way of life and how they do things just so people from other countries can feel comfortable over here?
Sorry didn't mean to rant on but this is something that p***es me off all the time!

[Drawnnite]

look back into history.

when the italians, greeks etc came over here were the given massive handouts, cars, etc etc etc
no and they intergrated into society.
look at it now and how people are given free handouts, you would be stupid not to attempt to take them.
and this is where it is absolute bull. i go to work, i pay taxes (pretty high for a 1st yr app), and will never get anything free from the government.


all i can say is. stop the handouts, and youll stop the boat people.

[87RB30VL]

At my work, there's been a massive influx of foreigners joining our staff, and apparently it's because of something to do with the government paying a percentage of their wages so my work only has to pay e.g. 33% of their fortnightly wage instead of the full 100% (Where the G'vt pays the other remaining %) & alot of them are married to people but don't live or contact them, only way they are remotely aware of eachother is because on some page tucked away under junk, is a marriage certificate stating they are married.

The ratio of aussies (Meaning legit citizens) to foreigners (meaning people who are doing the whole suss thing) is like 50 to 150

[Bravotwozero]

look back into history.

when the italians, greeks etc came over here were the given massive handouts, cars, etc etc etc
no and they intergrated into society.
look at it now and how people are given free handouts, you would be stupid not to attempt to take them.
and this is where it is absolute bull. i go to work, i pay taxes (pretty high for a 1st yr app), and will never get anything free from the government.


all i can say is. stop the handouts, and youll stop the boat people.

Greeks and Italian had just as much trouble assimilating as the asians that came after them. Oh, and also the Arabs and Africans. It wasn't until the second generation that they started to do this. Another stupid immigration bashing thread really.

It is a stupid mindless TV program for entertainment purposes. If you really think what you see on TV represents reality then yes you are gullible.

[PRAVX II S]

Always with the negative ways.

[jules]

Well those people would be empathetic to the German people who supported Hitler during his rise through the 1930s to early 40s. Ergo, Nazis.

millions were. do you assume you wouldn't have been, without the benefit of being educated of their evil in a modern world?

the immigration issue is a complex one with no absolute right or wrong solution, but demonising boat people is lazy thinking. a lot of them have real reasons for wanting to escape their country of origin, reasons that would likely appeal to you and i if we were in the same situation. the fact we were born in australia does not make us better people than them.

[footy]

Recourse boom = immigrant boom, deal with it. Boat people are a tiny minority who are quite happy to conform to Australian customs. Blame the skills shortage and or greedy mining companies for importing these people to fill jobs who think we 'need' them, those are the ones who force their religion trash on us.

[ephect]

a lot of the italians and greeks that i know, their fathers and grandparents worked as soon as they come off the boat, they may not have been able to speak english well or at all, but they weren't afraid of hard work, and there we're no handouts. they didnt work, they didnt have food to eat.

i have no issues with immigrants that are prepaired to work and try to adapt; i have an issue with them crying poor me, and expecting handouts for their hardships.

[jules]

a lot of the italians and greeks that i know, their fathers and grandparents worked as soon as they come off the boat,.

a lot of them also worked as scab labour, replacing unionised australian workers who hated them for it. no one gets off the boat and walks in on red carpet. it's funny how people have a nostalgic view of european migrants now.

[minux]

the immigration issue is a complex one with no absolute right or wrong solution, but demonising boat people is lazy thinking. a lot of them have real reasons for wanting to escape their country of origin, reasons that would likely appeal to you and i if we were in the same situation. the fact we were born in australia does not make us better people than them.

Actually it is quite a simple one. We accept those waiting and reject those paying to come here illegally. Boat people are demonised because almost every one of them is an illegal financial refugee. These people are fleeing not because they have to but because they want to. I have posted the figures from the immigration department in another thread where even they admit this.

Recourse boom = immigrant boom, deal with it. Boat people are a tiny minority who are quite happy to conform to Australian customs. Blame the skills shortage and or greedy mining companies for importing these people to fill jobs who think we 'need' them, those are the ones who force their religion trash on us.

Really? They are happy to conform?

You mean conform like this?

Boat people riot

Or like this?

Refugee riot highlights a dilemma | The Australian

Or perhaps they conform like the deadbeats we already have here where so many are unemployed and receiving benefits still after 5 years?

a lot of them also worked as scab labour, replacing unionised australian workers who hated them for it. no one gets off the boat and walks in on red carpet. it's funny how people have a nostalgic view of european migrants now.

What was the problem with doing that? We replaced a slow overpaid workforce with people who wanted to work for less. Something WE NEED to do now before we have no production jobs left in the country. This whole fair pay for every worker does not work and has been smashing our manufacturing industry for decades. Overpaid and underworked, nothing like the union way.

[PRAVX II S]

What was the problem with doing that? We replaced a slow overpaid workforce with people who wanted to work for less. Something WE NEED to do now before we have no production jobs left in the country. This whole fair pay for every worker does not work and has been smashing our manufacturing industry for decades. Overpaid and underworked, nothing like the union way.

Thats why there sending jobs to india and china people who work for almost nothing and they dont even take a smoke breaks every 10mins LOL.
Why would i want to pay a guy who is on there ipod and smokes half a day.
We only have our selves to blame the western world is scared of hard work no matter what nasho.

[MasterOfReality]

Recourse boom = immigrant boom, deal with it. Boat people are a tiny minority who are quite happy to conform to Australian customs. Blame the skills shortage and or greedy mining companies for importing these people to fill jobs who think we 'need' them, those are the ones who force their religion trash on us.

How are the mining companies being greedy in this issue? I'd love to hear and explanation of this.

a lot of the italians and greeks that i know, their fathers and grandparents worked as soon as they come off the boat, they may not have been able to speak english well or at all, but they weren't afraid of hard work, and there we're no handouts. they didnt work, they didnt have food to eat.

i have no issues with immigrants that are prepaired to work and try to adapt; i have an issue with them crying poor me, and expecting handouts for their hardships.

Yep, my grandparents came from Europe with nothing and built a mini empire for themselves through hard work and smart decisions.

a lot of them also worked as scab labour, replacing unionised australian workers who hated them for it. no one gets off the boat and walks in on red carpet. it's funny how people have a nostalgic view of european migrants now.

I doubt its about the unions viewing them as scab labor. Its about the lack of control unions had over them in the first place. Truth is a lot of the migrants did the jobs that nobody else wanted to do and built themself up from there. One of my grandfathers went straight to work on the Snowy Mountains scheme and then set up his own little prosperous panel beating workshop. The other grandfather, a qualified mining engineer, mine manager and fluent english speaker from Germany couldn't even get a mining engineers job here despite his German degree qualifications being far superior than the primitive Australian mining engineering education available here at the time. His first job was carting gravel in an open pit in Mt Isa. He went back to uni here at his own cost, obtained 3 additional engineering degrees (civil, mining, and mechanical) and set up his own consultancy. He was earning $800 a day back in the early 80's as a consultant.

If unions have a problem with this sort of enterprising, then thats their problem.

[footy]

Actually it is quite a simple one. We accept those waiting and reject those paying to come here illegally. Boat people are demonised because almost every one of them is an illegal financial refugee. These people are fleeing not because they have to but because they want to. I have posted the figures from the immigration department in another thread where even they admit this.



Really? They are happy to conform?

You mean conform like this?

Boat people riot

Or like this?

Refugee riot highlights a dilemma | The Australian

Or perhaps they conform like the deadbeats we already have here where so many are unemployed and receiving benefits still after 5 years?



What was the problem with doing that? We replaced a slow overpaid workforce with people who wanted to work for less. Something WE NEED to do now before we have no production jobs left in the country. This whole fair pay for every worker does not work and has been smashing our manufacturing industry for decades. Overpaid and underworked, nothing like the union way.

I would rather be free in some ####ed up sand country than in a overcrowded prison tbh. They don't know what they're getting into when they get on that boat, just promises of a better life. Not saying they are all good or they deserve to be here but the media only covers the bad ones.

[PRAVX II S]

How are the mining companies being greedy in this issue? I'd love to hear and explanation of this.



Yep, my grandparents came from Europe with nothing and built a mini empire for themselves through hard work and smart decisions.



I doubt its about the unions viewing them as scab labor. Its about the lack of control unions had over them in the first place. Truth is a lot of the migrants did the jobs that nobody else wanted to do and built themself up from there. One of my grandfathers went straight to work on the Snowy Mountains scheme and then set up his own little prosperous panel beating workshop. The other grandfather, a qualified mining engineer, mine manager and fluent english speaker from Germany couldn't even get a mining engineers job here despite his German degree qualifications being far superior than the primitive Australian mining engineering education available here at the time. His first job was carting gravel in an open pit in Mt Isa. He went back to uni here at his own cost, obtained 3 additional engineering degrees (civil, mining, and mechanical) and set up his own consultancy. He was earning $800 a day back in the early 80's as a consultant.

If unions have a problem with this sort of enterprising, then thats their problem.

My family are not italian,Greek
All my uncles and my dad are tradies they all have there own workshops. We are fiji-indians. I know a lot of asian and other nasho who have come here that have worked hard.
So its not that bad. Infact i think the asian are one of the most hard working people here in Oz

[Jesterarts]

I think its a great program. It will let the western world see how lucky they realy are. They should be greatfull for what they have. I feel for all the children they dont have the same luxuries as we do. No heater, no food, no video games,
Is great to see the school kid wanting to learn on the show something we luck over here in Oz.

I've jsut noticed something in with your posts. Whenever you post in topics like this you refer to the "Western World" as "they".

Now, correct me if I am wrong, but you live and work in Australia correct? So you are part of the "Western World". So shouldn't you be saying "let the western world see how luck WE are?"

Just an observation.

I am curious why you tend to remove yourself from assosication with "the Western World" that you yourself are a part of.

I for one am well aware how luck I and WE are living here. Australia is a luck country with plenty of opportunities available for those who want them. But I don't think that anyone DESERVES to be her per say.

So when I see this, while I sympathise with those who do have a hard life I don't think that this qualifies them to DESERVE what Australia has to offer. Therefore why I strongly dislike those who come here illegally on boats as they are displaying a mentality of self entitlement AND a disregard for international laws.

Greeks and Italian had just as much trouble assimilating as the asians that came after them. Oh, and also the Arabs and Africans. It wasn't until the second generation that they started to do this. Another stupid immigration bashing thread really.

It is a stupid mindless TV program for entertainment purposes. If you really think what you see on TV represents reality then yes you are gullible.

Well said, summarises this quite accurately.

This article is a good read also:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/pol...622-1gfav.html

[Calaber]

Comparing the immigration of the 1940's and 50's to today's situation should take into account the differing Australian political policies and worldwide demographics which existed back then. Millions of people were displaced by the war and this country had a policy of "Populate or Perish". Immigrants from European countries were actively encouraged by the Australian Government to resettle in Australia and they brought with them skills which were in short supply here.

It's true that initially, many of them were disliked in similar ways to the Middle Eastern and Asian immigrants of today, but they managed to assimilate well over the ensuing years and are now accepted as a vital and elementary part of our society.

The Middle Eastern community, however, seems different. The original migrants from that part of the world seem to have made the effort to assimilate and co-operate with society as we expect. It seems to be the second or third generation element of that community that is causing the trouble. "Middle Eastern" youth seems to have a profound hatred for Western democracy. Listen to and watch these youths on television or the radio. They are generally in their teens or twenties and are the most outspoken, arrogant and violent of their ilk. Many of them are Australian by birth, but to listen to them you would never guess it. Their language, tone of voice, even their pronunciation, has a strong accent - there is nothing "Australian" about their speech at all. They don't seem to want to assimilate into our society as their parents have done - they seem to want to carry on with the violence that their parents migrated from. Their attitude towards Australian women is deplorable (think Bilal Skaf and his gang).

To me, the Middle Eastern migrants are not as much of a problem as their progeny who were born here.

[Banicks]

Greeks and Italian had just as much trouble assimilating as the asians that came after them. Oh, and also the Arabs and Africans. It wasn't until the second generation that they started to do this. Another stupid immigration bashing thread really.

It is a stupid mindless TV program for entertainment purposes. If you really think what you see on TV represents reality then yes you are gullible.

Immigration bashing thread? I haven't bashed anyone, except a program that is a load of propaganda aimed at lying to the populus of Australia that are gullible by trying to gain their empathy, and justify the thoughts of these pro-immigration groups. I can’t control the comments of others if they go ahead and start bashing the entirety of immigrants, but:

I highlighted the FACT that SOME immigrants who come to this country do not appreciate it (see minux's thread and links) and take advantage of it. It also comes down to demographics, if you haven't experienced or lived near these people, it's difficult for you fully comprehend how much they are making a fool of the Australian way of life and intentionally destroying it to recreate their beliefs and homeland from which they or relatives tried to escape.

But, as usual if someone who is pro-Australian speaks up and stands up for the rights and beliefs of Australian culture and wants fairness through assimilation – I’m racist or an immigrant basher.

I’m highlighting this injustice, because if someone produced a show of this calibre on the other end of the spectrum, it wouldn’t even pass SBS’ mailing room or another network for that matter. It would be labelled as racist and an inaccurate representation of immigrants.

millions were. do you assume you wouldn't have been, without the benefit of being educated of their evil in a modern world?

the immigration issue is a complex one with no absolute right or wrong solution, but demonising boat people is lazy thinking. a lot of them have real reasons for wanting to escape their country of origin, reasons that would likely appeal to you and i if we were in the same situation. the fact we were born in australia does not make us better people than them.

Of course, that was the point of the example I'm making.

I’m not saying it does make us better, but they’re the ones seeking asylum, not us. There is a right way, and a wrong way of doing it.

Comparing the immigration of the 1940's and 50's to today's situation should take into account the differing Australian political policies and worldwide demographics which existed back then. Millions of people were displaced by the war and this country had a policy of "Populate or Perish". Immigrants from European countries were actively encouraged by the Australian Government to resettle in Australia and they brought with them skills which were in short supply here.

It's true that initially, many of them were disliked in similar ways to the Middle Eastern and Asian immigrants of today, but they managed to assimilate well over the ensuing years and are now accepted as a vital and elemental part of our society.

The Middle Eastern community, however, seems different. The original migrants from that part of the world seem to have made the effort to assimilate and co-operate with society as we expect. It seems to be the second or third generation element of that community that is causing the trouble. "Middle Eastern" youth seems to have a profound hatred for Western democracy. Listen to and watch these youths on television or the radio. They are generally in their teens or twenties and are the most outspoken, arrogant and violent of their ilk. Many of them are Australian by birth, but to listen to them you would never guess it. Their language, tone of voice, even their pronunciation, has a strong accent - there is nothing "Australian" about their speech at all. They don't seem to want to assimilate into our society as their parents have done - they seem to want to carry on with the violence that their parents migrated from. Their attitude towards Australian women is deplorable (think Bilal Skaf and his gang).

To me, the Middle Eastern migrants are not as much of a problem as their progeny who were born here.

100% agree.

[PRAVX II S]

Did you know if i cut a asian,arab,europeon,Australian they all bleed.
How intresting.