is anyone else getting bored with HSV's offerings ?

[Darren_L]

once they used to be called Holden Special Vehicles
now I think it's more appropriate that they are called Holden Several Vehicles....

there used to be something kind of special about them. They were limited in numbers, only a few models available, some models were built with racing in mind. Now HSV just seems to plonk a crate engine in cars, create a few different body kits and differentiate them by the various electronic gimmicks fitted to them....

sure they have the big hp and stuff, they just seem to be too common now, nothing particularly special about them.

[CapriciousWL]

Think about the original WRX STI. Limited edition, owners promised no more so price would go up. Sold too well so they kept production going.

HSV is the same - as many as possible, nothing overly special when it is built to demand and there are some left over. There are enough fools with them, so they will eventually become collectable once they start to vanish.

Better off going HDT if you have the $.

[hi_ryder]

wankers with money, they just want one... i wonder what percentage of car enthusiasts actually own them...

[TGR 35S]

Was just saying same thing to a mate the other day was never a big fan of the vr vs but would love to get my hands on a vs Gts 215i now

[aaronevolution]

I agree. They need to so more limited editions. The Skaife Senator and SV6000 are my favorites. Z series HSV's are the best.

[HamaTime™]

It's the black edition and the very limited editions like the HDT Blue Meanie (VE) that are the 'Special' ones now...

[Grennan]

But the Black Editions arent special at all. They look cheap and tacky in person.

Thats the problem with demand, especially from a car company. HSV are in such demand its hard not to keep...essentially...printing money.

I really love the FPV Black, which they will be putting into a limited production of 150.

[captaincupcake]

grennan is so right its not funny. at the melbourne auto show they had the black edition hsv's and they were cheap. they have basically but pieces of black plastic on them. the black plastic that covers the bonnet flutes felt like you could just rip it off as you walk past. I would hdt atm if it were me. Or w427 if i had the money

[50LTRv8]

In all honesty I just can't see the value over an SS with leather. That way you have plenty of money for a wheel change and some mods, and you also loose all those audi lights with I don't like.

[walesy]

Was just saying same thing to a mate the other day was never a big fan of the vr vs but would love to get my hands on a vs Gts 215i now

funny you should say that lyle i was looking at VS GTS's on carsales after seeing owens new vs clubby, id love one too, cherry black of course :P, but yes i 100% agree with the OP, theres nothing special about them anymore, just overrated wank factor

[captaincupcake]

We should all just buy a VS HSV GTSR

[Pickle']

I have a savings fund currently saving for a VS GTS. There is something about them that i just fell in love with when i seen it But yeah the new models are ridiculously common every 'tom dick and harry' own one!

[walesy]

We should all just buy a VS HSV GTSR

got a spare $119,000?

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/...Ntt=VS&trecs=3

[HamaTime™]

But the Black Editions arent special at all. They look cheap and tacky in person.

Thats the problem with demand, especially from a car company. HSV are in such demand its hard not to keep...essentially...printing money.

I really love the FPV Black, which they will be putting into a limited production of 150.

Yeah true...I don't like them as there is nothing 'uniquely special' about them...

Basic point of the conversation is Economics....the demand is there now, so supply meets the demand...

I'd prefer if everyone just bought SS's and the HSV's were the 'VERY SPECIAL' ones like the super duper AMG sort of models. But same problem, every wanker has one.

[Calaber]

It would probably be easier for HSV if Holden released the next model Commodore. The VE is getting boring as it's been in production for five years and it would be difficult to keep coming up with something innovative each year when the basic car still looks like it did in 2006. You can only change bumpers and lights so many times before you start repeating yourself.

[captaincupcake]

got a spare $119,000?

Nope. one of the guys i work with has one so i guess i can ride in one just not own one

that has been on carsales for ages. no one wants to pay that much a car like that is only worth how much someone is willing to pay

[Crisis63]

No. I just want one. Black Edition and Audi lights notwithstanding.

[walesy]

a car like that is only worth how much someone is willing to pay

thats right, ive seen people pay almost 10 grand for a vt v6 calais... you can get a vx ss for under 10k now, somone will eventually pay a stupid price for a car if the seller is paitient

[Troy711]

One of my favorite HSVs is the VTII GTS. Love that thing.

[itsagixa]

Yes you can a VX SS for under 10k now but most of them are pretty ratty....i paid 15 for mine and its mint as, it may have 140,000 on the clock but everything is pristine, no a single scratch on her...
My car only had one owner previously and when i bought it i got a folder that was full of reciepts including the one for the tank of fuel in 2002 when he picked up the car from holdens...

[Jesterarts]

I agree. They need to so more limited editions. The Skaife Senator and SV6000 are my favorites. Z series HSV's are the best.

Isn't saying "They need to do more limited editions" a contradiction in itself?

I agree, way too many HSV's on the roads these days. I mean, the VE GTS is more common on the roads than say VZ R8's. No bias.

But seriously. Since I've had my VZ R8, I have seen 2 others on the road. VE GTS on the other hand it just around ever corner.

There used to be a passion behind HSV's, they were actually special. Not they have just become a good way to make more money.

Realistically, in terms of production it costs bugger all to produce a HSV vs a a standard Holden. Same plastics, same metal just a few additional shiney bits. What they used to have going for them was the prestige of being special and limited, but these days all they retain in regards to being "special" is a high price price.

[Grennan]

grennan is so right its not funny. at the melbourne auto show they had the black edition hsv's and they were cheap. they have basically but pieces of black plastic on them. the black plastic that covers the bonnet flutes felt like you could just rip it off as you walk past. I would hdt atm if it were me. Or w427 if i had the money

Yeah I saw it and you looked at the additions and they were bits of black plastic...

Looked at the interior and the "Black Edition" font is ripped straight from MS Paint.

The wheels are the only thing actually worth a look.

[elmaso]

got a spare $119,000?

1996 HSV GTS R VS Private Cars For Sale in WA - carsales.com.au

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well if had 119000 play money, #### i'd buy it!
granted there probably not worth that much, but still a chuck of awesome HSV.

[walesy]

Yes you can a VX SS for under 10k now but most of them are pretty ratty....

ive seen mint ones go for 10, ratty one more like 7-8k, hell ive even seen WH's with ls1 and leather go for 10

[Grennan]

ive seen mint ones go for 10, ratty one more like 7-8k, hell ive even seen WH's with ls1 and leather go for 10

Depends what state your in, NSW is typically one of the cheaper states along with SA.

But yeah here, 10 grand will get you an auto VX SS. Really need to go up around 12 for good ones with a t56.