AFPLA reject $1.144 BILLION offer!

[Bravotwozero]

Is it just me or is the AFLPA getting seriously greedy?

THE AFLPA has today advised us that they have rejected the key elements of the AFL’s $1.144 billion offer - an offer that would provide players with an 11 per cent pay rise in year one, five per cent in year two and three three and three in the following three years.

• Plus a doubling of retirement benefits - that is in addition to superannuation - and on current models would result in players receiving on average $28,000 in retirement benefits for every year they play.
• Plus more money in their hardship fund.
• Plus a 40 per cent increase in pay for rookies.

I don't know about anybody else, but if my employer offered me a percentage rise of 11, 5, 3 and 3 I'd be ####ing stoked!

[minux]

I dont get why we pay retards who run around in shorts that are too tight hugging other men so much money anyway. Seems stupid to me.

[drewVHSS]

I dont get why we pay retards who run around in shorts that are too tight hugging other men so much money anyway. Seems stupid to me.

If it doesn't involve petrol and an engine, it's not a sport IMO.

[Sphinx]

If it doesn't involve petrol and an engine, it's not a sport IMO.

agreed. That's why they call it motor "sport". Everything else is just a game.

[alpha_au]

Its a much better spectator sport than motor sport imo. Motor sport sucks balls to watch, especially live.

[monkeys437]

I'd say getting greedy. Their requested pay rises is very unreasonable considering the players are better paid on average than NRL and super rugby players, and those rugby codes are played internationally. There is no international competition to threaten AFL talent so why increase their pay 8% per year for the next 5? Its just completely unreasonable and 3% per year is more appropriate.

They think just because the league turns over more money means they should get paid better, but since when does business work like that? My employer increased turnover by 20% last year, does that mean I get a 20% pay rise? I wish

[acex1138]

ill play devils advocate here.

Im an ex-afl umpire... yeah bomb my car later...

I honestly dont think these guys should be paid that much money, you look at GWS thats just formed, they've just hired a poor kid for 6 seasons for $6 MILLION.

I pity the bastard, why?... most irresponsible thing you can do giving a 19yo $6million dollars, sending him to a new city full of drugs (not bashing west sydney but who are we kidding i've been there heaps cant go partying without someone tryna shove pills down your throat).

So he's gonna end up feeling like a rockstar, the culture there is drugs and womanizing etc. and your throwing a kid in there with tons of cash, I can see how that will go, we already had that problem in SA and WA.


So yeah these guys, they should not be making what they are for what they do, if anything make them get a real job even if just part time, set them up with a traineeship or an apprenticeship then they have real skills for once they are done, our olympic teams have to do it, keloggs and sanitarium can help them out but they still gotta work.

You work for all these things you have to uphold a reputation, behave in public and be a good role model. all the guys who get into it, whinge whinge whinge I shouldnt be a role model.


Anyway that being said... andrew dimmy... fire him. fire him. fire him.

Unaustralian.....

We've taken our national sport and had it milked dry. want a good example? all official afl gear is made in india, indonesia or wherever else something can be done at cheap prices despite knowing whats done to get it.

When i started being an umpire, you did a basic course which was sponsored by the AFL where the understanding was, all money raised for the game, was to help develop the game and go towards the game helping the australian culture.

You showed up, got a free lunch supplied by the ovals contractors, got a bag with starter gear in it, and got taught by an umpire where he got an extra game days pay for teaching, so it was pretty much like a community service. Cost the AFL a little but, it was one of their proud initiatives like the training carnivals to develop talent.

The kids i mentored up until a year ago, when they did their basic courses, its $25 to get in, you get a sashpack made in india that falls apart as fast as a coles bag and a hat.

When they swapped us to orange uniforms years back, the afl were being tools about who was going to pay for them, so someone came up with the bright idea get them sponsored, up until about 5 years ago... our orange umpire uniforms were paid for by sponsors.... and then let me get this straight, it took off we got even more sponsors and bigger offers, and then the afl started charging us $30 per shirt and last y ear when I checked it was up to $45....

So the AFL claims its booming and helping develop kids, culture, and the game.... yet being part of it these days and the initiatives they promote coast heaps... I had kids leave my panel because after mom and dad shell out $45 for their shirt, get given a box of chocolates to sell in their spare time for their panel and then get 3 games on a sunday and make $4.50 a game for doing a boundry its hard to do it unless you really have the passion.... no one got into it to make money, but yeah you do your games and need to go to the next level, level 1 accreditation now costs $50.. and its just showing up. when i did my levels they just threw you on at an AFL game during half time to do them in front of a crowd, you even got free tickets.

Dimmy smells cash..... for years theres been a MASSIVE following for tasmania to get a team, which they should, as a lot of decent players come from tasmania, dimmy doesnt smell the cash there. First time I went to sydney I saw panthers, saw how well a lot of rugby clubs are doing that are freaking tiny. We see port adelaide, western bulldogs nearly crash due to bad management high fees etc, not even being able to run hotels to profit and develop, and then you see how rugby is done in the east states you'd think oh this means we have to re-evaluate how we are doing things and learn from them.

Nope.... dimmy and the AFLC thing hmmm theres money there and decide to build two new teams where they shouldnt go with no local following importing high end players with no roots, just dumping them in what they hope is a massive pile of cash.


So this all gets back to the original point.... where as the afl players shouldnt be making stacks of cash, its kind of hard to not to think the AFL for ripping people off, they are making a massive cash cow of selling the game out up to its eyeballs, and if the money isnt making it to the players, and game development at the fountation levels such as young players, umpires, venues etc (bulkana ovals never had ANY money spent on it, neithers prospect).

Wheres all the money going?

[Lumps of cheese]

I'd reject it too, poor bastards are struggling as it is

[Drawnnite]

i still dont understand why they keep wanting more, its not like they arent already earning heaps.
think back many years ago. the players still had daily jobs and then played footy for like $100 a game or so. similar to local 1st divisions now.


but as acex has said, they put those teams up there as they want it to "grow"
put it in tassie, or darwin and the base is already there, they dont see a growth that would happen.

[Jebadayah]

I guess the thing here is......with the TV rights and whatnot...someone's making a serious amount of cash out of the AFL...and the players, rightly or wrongly feel, that since they ARE the ones generating that cash, they're entitled to a decent chunk of it. If only all industries worked that way huh?

Whilst on the subject.... I think what Freo just did to Mark Harvey was a dog act, not so much the act of finding a new coach, but the way the whole thing has been conducted.

[acex1138]

well guys heres something to put things in perspective... you remember the grand final bullshit last year?

Andrew dimmy loved it... you have any idea how much of an awesome winfall for cash that was.... well the thing is...

the players didnt see much extra cash for it. the afl made a bundle, the two clubs apart from prize money didnt get a cut of it.

Now its easy to go you've got alot of money shut up. yeah fair claim, but i think its just dog that the afl calls them greedy when they pocket so much cash.

And then you get the other bullshit...... i remember in 2002 the AFL was being heavily lobbied for a tasmania team, and darwin/tiwi islands were tryna join get a team or something wasnt really paying attention past tasmania.

You look at how many good players come out of those 3 locations and the massive fanbase there.

Since 2002 the AFL has seen infreaking credible growth. Its wasted hundreds of millions of dollars on goldcoast because they are hoping it will turn into (cant think of a rugby team here) but it makes sense when i tell you that andrew dimmy wants GWS to be the next Panthers... AND THE SAD THING IS....

even if goldcoast is a failure...... and gws are a failure... the AFL will still make bundles of cash off them.

And yeah Mark Hervey too. I've drawn fire for saying stuff like this before. because someone meets a criteria for a job, or has experience doesnt make them the right person for the job.

And most of the time places never want to develop people.

We saw this with dean laidley, matthew primus which is why mark bickley wants to keep his head down.

They are sticking people who have known the game, played the game, loved the game, in roles where they need to develop.

Its pretty shit that teams and media seem to think that someone playing a sport instantly qualifies them to be a coach/commentator or even a writer on it (talking to you akka).

And this does relate to the point i made earlier that all afl players should be made to get jobs... just about every afl player and most of the kids/teens/low level players I worked with.... we all of the same mind, make it big then get a cruisy job.

This one particular shit-head I played on the same team as and when i started doing SANFL he'd gone from being a douche in the under 17's with me to one of norwoods best players. He didnt get along with anyone, screwed all the groupies he could, and when the afl took him he got even worse. He was just good at being fit, fast and kicking goals, but as a person he was unplayable. Everytime I saw him play each time just uses him as a one man army.

Last year he got injured, he got jobs in the media as a sports reporter. They then find 'he cant spell gud'... when he came off injury he made his comeback, and this experience hadnt shaken him, he still wanted to live large like a rockstar, made it to a victorian team on a sweet contract and then retire on a bundle of cash or end up in a senior team leader role, like an assistant coach or something.

And most of the guys have been the same, they all go for doing it big, and then fading into an easy job because of their past.

I cant see any good coming of giving the players more money. so seriously if the AFL wanted to do something good, take this massive raking of cash that your getting, and put it into technical academies or something. For all the good kids out there they need something to fall back on, and for all the ########s in there. they need to be brought back down to earth and told, yeah you can kick far, you can run fast. but f*** what are you going to do when you slow down and cant kick as fast.... steroids, fall back on a job that you havnt earned if you can get it?

Force them to get a diploma or a trade. Think of it as superannuation

[Full Spectrum]

Its a multi billion dollar game, naturally people watch it so players who everyone goes to watch are paid high.. Its not like the old days drink train maybe play, work your job during the week. They actually work longer and harder than we do. Spend their teenage years being tested picked at measured and weighed up. Then it goes into over drive if picked on a AFL list. Spend more time at these clubs than they do with family and friend for they best part of 20 years. I'm not againts them getting money. I'm againts the greed the AFL has created. They all might end up like baseball in the states when the people turned on the greedy bustards.

[JMP]

I don't agree with the players holding out for more and I definitely don't see how Andrew Dimwitpoo can bag the players wanting more considering how big a slice he takes himself. I have turned off AFL the last couple of years cause everytime I even thought about AFL it felt like I had just seen the proctologist, I swear Andrew had his hand up my you know what to see if he could drag another cent out of me.

[acex1138]

one thing i forgot, the corruption too.

f me this could turn into a long post. most of you know what im gonna say anyway, about players being bribed and given under the table deals. breach of cap etc.

It's all true and it even happens at grassroots levels. When you bring that into accord, the AFL doesnt want people to know where a lot of its money is gone. Ill give you a heads up... one of the ways they can pay an umpire for low level games without being asked a lot of questions or legally hiring you, is to pay via a hobby tax form.

All it does is declare you are you, they are a sporting organisation, you did said thing as a hobby and this fund that is under a specific amount, was given out to compensate you for your hobby time.

There are a million ways to sunday that can be exploited. In all honesty with the money the AFL's been raking in, it would be interesting to see the ATO audit the league.