[SA] Huge overhaul for young drivers

[DevilDRake]

No. Dont reduce the hours.

You must have a certain ratio of paid licensed driving tests. Like... 80% actual driver instruction. So many bad habits and parents who dont know what the #### they are on about passing on their "knowledge".

My dad was pretty strict.. made me turn out into the closest lane, wouldn't let me drive with one hand, wouldn't let me boot it.. He taught me better than the instructor did.

That being said i passed my test with flying colours lol. He always said "I don't care what you do after you get your license but you're driving like this til you get it"

[vr94ss]

I think L age should be lowered to 15 or 16 giving kids a much longer time experiencing life on the road and a longer time to get over the buzz of driving. Only an immediate family member/guardian or driving instructor should be able to drive with L platers. They are the ones most likely to point the kid straight. It should not be _any_ full license holder.

I have faith in most of the kids I know and they should be allowed to flourish rather than be demonised and held down for the actions of the minority.

Edit: Maybe even have to take a "current road rules" test before you as an immediate family member can accompany them. I keep up to date by periodically sitting a the online L exams.

[acex1138]

simple answer, f***all you do in year 10 counts towards your sace. Put driver education there make it mandatory. Force everyone to get their L's at 15.

More driving experience the better.

No performance restrictions. The system was fine with 50 hours for your logbook, 10 of those hours at night. Make another 10 of those hours MANDATORY in a high powered car.

and on top of this, defensive driving course, PAID FOR BY THE GOVERNMENT. get rid of the stupid hazard perception test and instead put something like that there.

And any education course should also teach the safety for a front wheel drive and a rear wheel drive car. How many kids have you seen get in crashes because of this.

And how many young girls you have who go out and buy a barina spark because they think its cute..... and then when it comes up in convo about that one time they 'accidently drifted' and u ask them how it happened. Pretty much being told they lost contact with the road and did the wrong thing, case in point.


So Tom.... the things you need to do in summary :

+Fine you want to add more time to L's, Ill concede that, if it starts at 15... P's at 16 and 6 months if they have passed drivers education at school

+Drivers education full on real school subject that is compulsory to complete, teaches everything jordan came up with, road survival visiting trauma ward / victims, how to defect a car, how to survive a crash. Add training in an 8 cylander car/ turbo vehicle.

+Add mandatory certificate of driver health for EVERY driver to be completed once every 2 years at government expense, to make sure people like my father DONT GET TO KEEP THEIR LICENSE, im more concearned about him killing someone than a p plater.

+First home owners grant? Green car subsidy? forget them, offer a government rebate for kids to stop them driving around in 5th hand bombs with more safety hazards, I have no problem with the government chipping in a bit so a kid can buy a newer model executive.

+Offer rewards to drivers for safe behavior, dont become like the eastern states where its double demerit points on days that end with a Y
have the government negotiate better insurance rates and... AND registration rates for those who keep a clean driving profile

+Forget the other stupid ideas you've been having

I know this will all cost a bit of money, but think of how much was wasted on the new Learners website last year. How much money has been wasted on statistics and surveys and advertising for this.

And Tom... lets not mention the car the government have given you... I want you to earn that mate.

[vr94ss]

Young people are not on the whole stupid. Limiting them limits knowledge and learning. If as I've seen Minux say, seventeen year olds are not what they used to be, there's only one reason for that. They are not given the opportunities 17yos were given in his day. Limiting that further only pushes back, retards, their life experience, knowledge and self knowledge imposing a feedback loop that we'll end up with kids being 30 and untrustworthy. It could be argued that is already the case. You help your kids walk when they first try, you encourage them, take their hand, carry that same tradition into their teens and adult life. Sure them growing up entails risk and possible pain if the shit hits the fan but that is a problem parents and adults have to deal with, it's their anxiety, letting go is troublesome, don't put that fear and angst on the kids. You'll have far more mature young people if they are not held back. Your great grandma was possibly 14. [edit] and you're here.

Anyway, I hope you get what I mean. The changes to young driver laws over the last 10 years are all stuffed and paranoid.

[duehicky]

Damn n I though Qld was bad..

[GRPABT1]

I drove my entire P's in a VN with about 300kw at the time and I never lost my license or wrote the car off. Driver education is the solution, harsh restrictions are a bandaid solution with potential for revenue raising.

God I hate our government sometimes.

[Drawnnite]

Only an immediate family member/guardian or driving instructor should be able to drive with L platers. They are the ones most likely to point the kid straight. It should not be _any_ full license holder.

just putting this out there, why having only parents etc teach you isnt good.

a cousin of mine was told By Her Parents that she WILL crash no matter what...
however my old man has let her drive around the driveway (just to show it isnt scary, big driveway aswell).
i would never like to get behind a wheel with someone that would tell me straight away "your going to crash"
and i would say it would be 100% better to be with a calm teacher.

Harsh Penalties and Less Restrictions. would make more sense.
eg. caught talking/texting on the mobile phone... loss of licence for 6+ months (which would hoepfully lead to safer driving)

[FstStig]

Agreed with some of the above posts. Get them behind the wheel at 15, start teaching them IN school with a Qualified Driving instructor. Not only will this create more stable jobs, but it will also help the young ones becoming better drivers. Don't teach them in a brand spanking new car with all the new features. Teach them in something like a 5L V8 VN. Put water on the learning track and get them to put their foot down to really show them what can happen if they do it. Then put them in a FWD 89 ford laser and show them the difference. By increasing the hours and age, its just going to build up them up more to really open up the car and do stupid shit when they do get onto their P's. Show them first hand photos of what can really happen at a crash scene and of the Bodies. At the end of the day Peer pressure gets the better of most teens, and unfortunately (Not trying to be sexist here, as I know some girls do it as well) a lot of guys have way to must testosterone flowing through them to really care what COULD happen. Get them into advanced driving programs, show them how to get out of a slide, show them how to have a better reaction time, Show them not to be looking exactly at the car in front of them, but the cars in front and whats happening, but at the same time keeping your eye on the car in front of you. If you ask me a I reckon passing a advanced driving program should be the pass to go onto their provisional license.

[87RB30VL]

I drove my entire P's in a VN with about 300kw at the time and I never lost my license or wrote the car off. Driver education is the solution, harsh restrictions are a bandaid solution with potential for revenue raising.

God I hate our government sometimes.

I used to drive around in my dad's ex-police Aurion on my red P's (It still had the police stickers and lights on it when his work got it at the auctions) and that thing hauled ass but I never crashed it or got done for speeding, or even tried anything stupid because 1, it wasn't my car, and 2, driving was still an "exciting" experience back then, I was like WOAH I CAN GO ANYWHERE I WANT NOW!!! It was fun back then to me, still is now but it's a different fun lol.

[87RB30VL]

I don't get why people are saying it should be mandatory to train in a crazy fast car in school, why? You can live your whole life only driving a 4 cyl piece of shit if you want & never set foot into a high performance car & not have any worries, so why should it be mandatory to drive one? Though, I wish we would have had that when I was in school, driving a high performance car for free would have been awesome!

[ucwepn]

Its like that in Vic and there are still crazy P platers (and others) doing stupid shit like lane hopping and tailgating while on the phone..... people are hard to control if they don't want to be controlled. Also allot of unroadworthy cars here because no yearly inspections, its a dangerous mix.

[acex1138]

I don't get why people are saying it should be mandatory to train in a crazy fast car in school, why? You can live your whole life only driving a 4 cyl piece of shit if you want & never set foot into a high performance car & not have any worries, so why should it be mandatory to drive one? Though, I wish we would have had that when I was in school, driving a high performance car for free would have been awesome!

because then you can handle anything. in every state thats introduced power restrictions theres actually no training anywhere but SA which teaches you how to drive a performance car.

So ######## A gets a shit car at 18..... still races it has more of a chance to kill themselves or others
######## A somehow survives and gets his full license at 21 goes out and buys a V8 or a Turbo. Numerous things can be a problem with this, lets say he use to be driving a 150kw fwd heap of crap, then goes to something with much more power and rwd.

Differant vehicle, more chance to kill himself.

######## B..... gets his L's at 15... is taught at school how to handle a crappy cheap fwd vehicle in rain, hail, shine, other ########s on the road, is shown the consequences of being a ######## with the vehicle will get them, is then trained in a so called performance car. The idea is that if he ever gets behind the wheel of ANY car let alone a performance one...

He wont be a ######## anymore.