Social welfare

**jatsvl** · 07-02-2012, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by VRCALAISS

bit harsh judgmental this thread has become,not all people on the dole are like these stereo type commodore owners you're talking about,i would agree with most are tho.

let's talk about spastic pensions aswell while we're at it,an the payments scumbag criminals get when they're realeased from jail including jobs given to them.

your terminology is a bit off, but I would have to agree with 150%, disabilty pension is probably a bigger rip off than the dole bludgers, and yet nobody has mentioned it, I know off and have seen many cases, why is it that because you are dyslexic, depressed, addicted to substances etc....... you are entitled to a disability pension?
I have worked with people getting a disability pension who are doing the same work I was but for a cash daily rate.

masterofreality, how many people are going to report their medication usage and declare their PRIVATE health information when they know it will be the end of their employment?
so I think that is a huge issue.

**wraith** · 07-02-2012, 06:27 PM

This thread has depressed me. First thing tomorrow I'm walking into centrelink and asking for disability. Woo work free life here I come.

**psycho_smurf** · 07-02-2012, 06:48 PM

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**DAKSTER** · 07-02-2012, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by wraith

This thread has depressed me. First thing tomorrow I'm walking into centrelink and asking for disability. Woo work free life here I come.

I'll swap you my disabled pension for your healthy body if you like, anytime.

**MasterOfReality** · 08-02-2012, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by jatsvl

masterofreality, how many people are going to report their medication usage and declare their PRIVATE health information when they know it will be the end of their employment?
so I think that is a huge issue.

When you do your pre-employment medical, you need to disclose it. This is just companies weeding out potential risks.

If your job requires a medical, you hold it back and lie on your pre-employment medical forms, then you aren't fit to hire.

If you start taking medication after you start work, it is your duty of care to inform your employer in case an accident happens.

Its still a non issue in my mind.

**Banicks** · 08-02-2012, 09:30 AM

This is my experience.

I was made redundant from my job in IT a few years ago. In total I was unemployed for 10 months. I was always saving for the what if factor, and I chose not to go on centrelink benefits and instead use my savings - but I came close towards the end as my savings were depleting.

Having spent the latter years of my teens and early 20s studying a particular qualification I was hoping to get back into that field after my redundancy. However I found I was competing against immigrants. I'm not going to say that I knew what qualifications or experience they had, I didn't, I'm not going to say I knew that they would accept the job for less pay, because I didn't know that either. I only know that after the first month I was still unsuccessful at the interviews I managed to get.

At that point I then tried unrelated field jobs. Most require experience in a similar position and relevant qualifications. So I lowered my standards further to low paid entry level jobs and menial labour jobs. Jobs fitting exacting what the media are saying Australia is immigrating people from overseas to fill. I was unsuccessful in even securing an interview for car wash jobs, subway and so on. I was told a few times that I was too qualified and they were wanting to give an opportunity to someone else, other times I was told another applicant with more experience was successful. Was that someone else younger than me or was it someone willing to work for minimum wage? Don't know. Wasn't told.

This went on for the remaining months in all I would say I managed to get to the interview stage around 30 times, I eventually got lucky with a job agency locating a contact centre role related to the LPG rebate government gas scheme. The premise was IT initially, then related to computers with options to promote into IT then the interview was the LPG scheme. I was confused and slightly tiffed that the agency lied to me to get me into the interview, but I wasn't going to turn down a paying job getting close to unemployment for almost an entire year. A few weeks later I was then offered a System Admin role for HP, resigning with thanks from my contact centre role and the rest is history. Well until HP made me redundant.

I see plenty of people saying go get a menial job, do this, do that. But unless you’ve been there, which by the comments of some, you haven’t – you shouldn’t be commenting. Perhaps you were there 20 years ago. But a lot has changed these days. Those golden handshakes and profitable shareholder portfolios are maintained in times by cheap labour and such. But I confess, I don’t pretend to understand what each manager believes and does, but I can only comment from my 2 redundancies and the experiences I’ve had with managers.

Long and short, it is not ethical for them to give themselves a bonus from the profit margin we worked for, and then have that same manager turn around and “let us go” due to restructure. Code for, redundancy. It instils stupidity and a lack of lateral thought and I am yet to be given an answer as to what one individual human being can do to earn a bonus $10 million for one financial years work on top of their already enormous salary. The person in question was offered the incentive if a profit margin was made, which the employees did, not him. He simply said meet the KPIs or you’re sacked and did his job for which he was paid without bonus. But it’s obvious there are those here with the gilded spoon in their mouths and those without, so there is no point continuing to instil logical sense in those who continue to display arrogance.

Disgressing, I made the unemployment barely through on my savings and I wasn’t partying out every night. I’m a saver by nature, spending most of my free time at home maintaining or keeping myself occupied. Not everyone has been brought up this way, some don’t think about the future and the loss of a job would need assistance from the government. I’m not condoning those who obviously abuse the system, I would like to see a viable solution implemented.

Perhaps the best irony would be for them to work for Centrelink itself? Imagine the chaos that would create.

**psycho_smurf** · 08-02-2012, 09:46 AM

So anyone who smokes weed is a filthy criminal because it's illegal? Can anyone here really say they never do anything illegal?

Making a U-turn at traffic lights when there's no "u-turn permitted"sign? Not indicating for 5 seconds before moving from a stationary position at the side of the road? Not giving way to a bus in front of you indicating they are leaving the kerbside? Speeding through roadworks? Parking over a yellow edge line? Stopping in a loading zone? Leaving your vehicle running while you pop into the store without anyone 16years or older in the vehicle? Beeping the horn to say bye to your friends?

**minux** · 08-02-2012, 09:52 AM