05/06 Barina

Hot-Rod · #1 11-02-2006, 03:32 AM

[b]Hello Holden companions , i've recently been looking at small cars for my gf. We went to a holden dealer naturally, to look at the "all new" Holden Barina 5 door hatch and to my surprise, horror under the bonnet on the ID tag at the front ontop of the Radiator read " Daewoo Australia GM Technology" .

When i got home i searched through the fairwelled Daewoo websites and found the so called "All new " Barina, it's actually a Daewoo Kalos - Check this site out http://www.daewoo.com.au/Common/Pdf/Kalos2004Hatch.pdf . So the new car is actually 2 years old already and just renamed as a holden, to get rid of surplus old Daewoos i guess. Shame on you Holden Shame Shame.

You know the feeling of a cheap car when u can bend the doors in and bend plastic in and out on handles and cup holders. Well this car has all of that plus more cheap stuff.

I suggest you don't buy this car and look into a beaut commodore as it is Ozzie made at least.!!!

. · #2 11-02-2006, 04:08 AM

well, at least jst over 50% of the commodore is aussie made anyway.

Juzza · #3 11-02-2006, 07:43 AM

When we went to the Holden Dealer to get my GFs Mark IV Astra I asked the Dealer a whole heap of questions about the Korean badged Holdens (Barina and Viva), He wasn't impressed with them to say the least.. poor build quality, things already going wrong..

Better to go the older (like 2 years or something) Opel imported Barina if you want something from "Holden", can get one with all the coolbits as they would have been upgrading a lot of them to clear them out in preperation for Korea, or just go the Japanese route.. this is one of the things they're good at

It's true about the Commodore, they're just based on Opels anyways (VB is an Opel Rekord, VN is an Opel Senator B and VT is a 1993 Opel Omega.. VE is all Holden though

(well the least amount of Aussie parts but still

) ).. I've attatched some pics to disturb, the give away is in the doors.. the cars have just been strengthened/widened/new metal/plastic to make them what they are.. and of coarse new drivetrain

clixanup · #4 11-02-2006, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Juzza

VB is an Opel Rekord

Opel Commodore even.

Do a Google search for "Opel Commodore C"

There are some pics of the Opel Commodore C in these posts:

http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...40&postcount=9
http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...9&postcount=10

vztrt · #5 11-02-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hot-Rod

[b]Hello Holden companions , i've recently been looking at small cars for my gf. We went to a holden dealer naturally, to look at the "all new" Holden Barina 5 door hatch and to my surprise, horror under the bonnet on the ID tag at the front ontop of the Radiator read " Daewoo Australia GM Technology" .

When i got home i searched through the fairwelled Daewoo websites and found the so called "All new " Barina, it's actually a Daewoo Kalos - Check this site out http://www.daewoo.com.au/Common/Pdf/Kalos2004Hatch.pdf . So the new car is actually 2 years old already and just renamed as a holden, to get rid of surplus old Daewoos i guess. Shame on you Holden Shame Shame.

You know the feeling of a cheap car when u can bend the doors in and bend plastic in and out on handles and cup holders. Well this car has all of that plus more cheap stuff.

I suggest you don't buy this car and look into a beaut commodore as it is Ozzie made at least.!!!

How could you not know when Holden and anything mag, newspaper article said that the Barina was a daewoo as is the viva and the new SUV they're bringing to put up against the Territory.
Mooney said that there are going to be more models sourced from Korea. If a commodore becomes a FWD daewoo I'll never look at a Holden again.

Also the Commodore is barely Australian anymore as the parts sourced for the car is just over 50% as someone stated earlier.

Hot-Rod · #6 11-02-2006, 09:04 PM

Well at least part of it is ozzie made. Better then buying a 100% import. We should be keeping jobs in Aust not exporting our jobs overseas. Before you know it everything will be made in China , well at least everything that isn't already made overseas and Aust will become a bunch of B&B's "Bed and Breakfasts."

This all has to do with John Howard, He's not helping Aust at all, instead he's abolishing Workplace Safety Nets , minimising wages and abolishing trade tariffs for importing products and materials. Thats why Aust can't compete with the rest of the world.

Cheers Rod

prizedbnx · #7 11-02-2006, 10:00 PM

we cant compete not only because of john howard, but his american ass kissing policies, at work the other day, i noticed some canned food on teh shelf, i had never noticed before ever, and it boldly said with a nice background flag "MADE IN THE USA" i was sad, john "dubbleya" howard is a fagget, someone should really think of the purcahse of a .22, and shoot the bastard while he is on his morning walk...

SUSPECT · #8 11-02-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hot-Rod

This all has to do with John Howard, He's not helping Aust at all, instead he's abolishing Workplace Safety Nets , minimising wages and abolishing trade tariffs for importing products and materials.

Cheers Rod

hear hear on that 1 mate i agree with that 100%.... i heard on the radio at the north adelaide plant they have 50 korean workers that they bought over here 2 build a new paint plant or somthing now correct me if im wrong but im sure there would of been australians that could of done this work!!!

plz correct me if im wrong i dont kno the full story on that just somthing i heard briefly on the radio

clint.

Stretchomatic · #9 11-02-2006, 11:20 PM

just so u guys know, pretty much everything but the commodore and rodeo and monaro are from korea now, the new vectra has been seen 'filming ads' in sydney and its a daewoo aswell. but. before the cars get here they are redone by holden/gm to appeal more to aussies and other piddlin' crap just so they can say its not completely a deawoo.
i agree with wat was said before, get a astra classic or a euro barina as they r still new in some holden yards, and i only say astra classic as they r lighter and better to drive than a new one, and also have amazing resale...not to mention actually look half decent...thats all i gotta say...

trepaul · #10 12-02-2006, 01:09 AM

well there's some totally uninformed statements. obviously like most of the country you guys know nothing about economics and globalisation. 1st world countries are no longer competitive in the manufacturing industry, hence jobs leaving. maintaining tariffs and high wages isn't going to help, it will simply drive away jobs faster.
and thanks prizedbnx for that statement identifing your lack of maturity, but if you hadn't noticed the ALP is becoming more and more like the liberals because they realise that their socialist policies don't work in today's global economy. just look at germany and how their welfare state has driven up unemployment and debt.

and this whole debate about the barina being korean is pointless, the original barina was a suzuki swift, then an opel/vauxhall corsa and now a daewoo. it has always been built overseas, so what are you complaining about?

SlapNuts · #11 12-02-2006, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by trepaul

well there's some totally uninformed statements. obviously like most of the country you guys know nothing about economics and globalisation. 1st world countries are no longer competitive in the manufacturing industry, hence jobs leaving. maintaining tariffs and high wages isn't going to help, it will simply drive away jobs faster.
and thanks prizedbnx for that statement identifing your lack of maturity, but if you hadn't noticed the ALP is becoming more and more like the liberals because they realise that their socialist policies don't work in today's global economy. just look at germany and how their welfare state has driven up unemployment and debt.

and this whole debate about the barina being korean is pointless, the original barina was a suzuki swift, then an opel/vauxhall corsa and now a daewoo. it has always been built overseas, so what are you complaining about?

so then explain it, so we won't be so mis-informed.......

trepaul · #12 12-02-2006, 02:51 AM

simple. we no longer live in an international world, we live in a global world. this means that the controls on trade are no longer defined by nation states and their borders. a global economy now exists, which is above and beyond the control of governments. governments no longer have the power to control trade, only to guide it. they must work in collaboration with multinational corporations.

basically, what i'm saying is goverments must create an environment that is attractive to global corporations and to develop a network of regulations for them to operate in. blaming the current government for a loss of jobs is too simple; there are many reasons for the loss of manufacturing jobs, and they are mainly out of the control of howard or any of his cronies.

australia simply cannot compete with china, southeast asia and india in the manufacturing industry anymore, no matter what tariffs and employment safety nets you put in place. these things drive up the cost of manufacturing, speeding up the process of offshoring.

these problems aren't endemic to australia; europe is suffering just as badly as we are.

i personally believe that the whole money money money economy will collapse eventually as all the people that supposedly can afford to buy products made in china (i.e. us) lose their jobs and have no money to buy them, leading to a world economy crash.

but back to my other point, the barina has never been made in australia, so why the hate for it now? don't like korean people?

. · #13 12-02-2006, 02:57 AM

I don't think it's a case of not liking Korean people. Don't get onto that card. I personally don't like Daewoos. They have never made a reliable car. It's that simple.

trepaul · #14 12-02-2006, 04:48 AM

ok fair enough. korean cars are notorious ****boxes, you'd need your head read if you thought about buying one. there's no way in the world i would think about getting a barina now, it seems like a shame as the barina (in my mind at least) has always been a high quality small car, something that is a bit of a rarity these days. they l