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Know Nothings
I'm back in the spare parts industry after a stint as a semi driver and nothing has changed in the industry. A bloke and his dad came in today after lowered springs for his VP with live rear end. To start they didn't know the difference between a live rear end and IRS. plus diffferences between lows and super lows, changing shocks, rim offset, or adjustable panhard rod or strut brace. they came in and wanted to just buy the springs and go. is it too hard for people to investigate the work needed to fullfil their ideas for their car. also i had a woman a while ago rang me up for sparkplugs, i asked what for, she said a car. Wow..really. what type of car, a 4WD. what type of 4WD, she thinks a toyota. what type of toyota....her answer..... A WHITE ONE......Genius.
trent was 'ere
just gotta think mate, a lot of people out there only have thier car's to go from A to B, on the rare occasion C. I can understand you getting pissed at people not thinking about shocks/struts and not knowing Superlows from Lows. Me personally, I wouldn't know all the know-how on lowign my car. some people just need to be told a few times to let them know what they're getting into. I know where you're coming from though!
Originally Posted by hakhawk
could you go into spotlight or any other specialty store and get the right thing?
ECOTEC KICKED IN yO!!!!!!
Holden Tech Apprentice
hey that was me getting the VP gear.you're a real prick
hahah joking, it wasnt me.
America just kicked in yo
Thats fair enough, If they don't know what they're looking for or what they're doing they should be taking it to the mechanics to get work done and get parts etc. If you put lowered springs in a car with normal shocks its gonna cause a major accident because the shocks lose their travel distance and wont work properly and could burst.
F#ck em LOL
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Could be worse. The people that think they know are more of a problem.
Site Administrator
Firstly its called retail work mate, deal with it.
Secondly what does the rim offset and strut bars have to do with lowering your car?
Adjustable Panhard bars are only needed if going fairly low, and even then not always.
Personally you sound like one of those people who listens to the big boys and tries to fob it off as his own knowledge............
AirStrike
Selling FG G6E Turbo and buying a N/A Supra
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I recall reading somewhere that the standard non-adjustable Panhard rod pushes the diff 8mm off centre for every 1 inch you lower the car. So if you are lowering, it should be one of your first considerations.
Yeah, but you gotta sympathise with the guy. I used to work at an electronics store, and people would come in and ask for a "tape."
"OK, we've got tapes. What type are you after - audio, video or reel-to-reel?"
"Huh?" Like I just asked them to explain the laws of thermodynamics...
Or the people who come back ready to ram the product down your throat until you open the battery cover and point out that the batteries are in the wrong way....
Or the people who come in and ask for a watch battery, but don't know what size (and the watch is at home...)
Or the people who need AV cables but don't know if they need BNC, RCA, 1/4" or 1/8"...
Or........
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Firstly its called retail work mate, deal with it.
Secondly what does the rim offset and strut bars have to do with lowering your car?
Adjustable Panhard bars are only needed if going fairly low, and even then not always.
Personally you sound like one of those people who listens to the big boys and tries to fob it off as his own knowledge............
AirStrike
Obviously you know bugger all too. i did my apprenticeship on semi's and buses so i do know something. In a live rear end vehicle an adjustable panhard rod centre's your diff so you don't have crap control or scrub tyres with a load in the back. Rim offset also matters cos if you go to low with big rims you can scrub the inside of your guard if the lip isn't folded. And strut BRACES do stop your shocks moving under pressure and stop your strut towers tearing. i've seen it so i know it happens. And listening to the big boys helps to expand ones knowledge...maybe you should do a bit of it. but thanx for proving my point.
<---Brad Quaid = internet stalker
get over it. some people know more than others. i know enough to get by in most things i dabble in, but every now and then get it wrong, use the wrong terminology or ...shock horror.... will get the rest of the parts from a different place to the first!
id say, welcome to the world where spare parts guys know spare parts, mechanics know what to do with them, and the bank decides whether or not you can have them.
Unfortunately (though for most people its not really unfortunate...) thats life and if its too difficult change jobs completely, go work in spotlight and see if youre still the hero there picking on people who are learning new things.
anyhow. lets be gentle about this and not let it become a crap-flinging match anymore than it already is.
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i was just letting off steam after a bad day. i do think though (and thats what this site is for) that all ideas are possible but research is needed before jumping in the deep end and opening your wallet. it's only sensible. i'm more than willing to help anyone who ASKS. i'm not saying i'm always right though.
<---Brad Quaid = internet stalker
good point, dont 'vent' here though.
i bought things without really thinking before... so i can see how others would.
Site Administrator
*SIGH* I know what an Adjustable Panhard bar is very rarely needed. 95% of ppl run rims, factory or aftermarket, in the factory offset so offset means dick.Yes strut braces do stop movement in the struts, no they dont tear, and no they aint needed when you lower your car.
Maybe you should stick to the Buses cause you are clearly talking shit and trying to fob off uneeded accessories to some poor kid.
AirStrike
Selling FG G6E Turbo and buying a N/A Supra
I go into stores and get them to tell me all about what ever it is i want to buy. i choose 2or 3 diferent brands and get them to tell me why 1 is better then the other and what it dose. The reason why is because they are paid to know about the product and assist me in buying what ever it is i want wether i have knowledge about the product or not. And if the store cant give that sort of service i will go ell's where.
Site Administrator
BINGO!!!!! Thats how it should be.........
AirStrike
Selling FG G6E Turbo and buying a N/A Supra
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Yeah I can simpethise, Im a painter by trade.......you dont think I have heard every stupid question you can think offI recall reading somewhere that the standard non-adjustable Panhard rod pushes the diff 8mm off centre for every 1 inch you lower the car. So if you are lowering, it should be one of your first considerations.
Yeah, but you gotta sympathise with the guy. I used to work at an electronics store, and people would come in and ask for a "tape."
"OK, we've got tapes. What type are you after - audio, video or reel-to-reel?"
"Huh?" Like I just asked them to explain the laws of thermodynamics...
Or the people who come back ready to ram the product down your throat until you open the battery cover and point out that the batteries are in the wrong way....
Or the people who come in and ask for a watch battery, but don't know what size (and the watch is at home...)
Or the people who need AV cables but don't know if they need BNC, RCA, 1/4" or 1/8"...
Or........
But again, thats retail.
AirStrike
Selling FG G6E Turbo and buying a N/A Supra
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*SIGH* I know what an Adjustable Panhard bar is very rarely needed. 95% of ppl run rims, factory or aftermarket, in the factory offset so offset means dick.Yes strut braces do stop movement in the struts, no they dont tear, and no they aint needed when you lower your car.
Maybe you should stick to the Buses cause you are clearly talking shit and trying to fob off uneeded accessories to some poor kid.
AirStrike
and how would you know so much? considering everyone else here seems to agree in other threads that an adjustable panhard rod is needed. are we all wrong compared to you are we? and i have seen towers tear but sorry you're right i suppose. i've also seen people put different offset rims on, lower the car then scrub out tyres whenever they have people in the backseat. my mates car did it all the time, so much so he used to put factory rims back on when he was planning on picking up people.
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Mate I have been in tons of cars dumpt on there asses with out having any scrubing issues due to a misaligned diff. Im not saying they are never needed, but very rarely. Tell me what you have to be doing to tear the stitch welds off a strut tower?
Well if you get the correct offset for a rim you wont have that problem now will you. Your complaint is of people that dont plan what they want to do before coming to see you, seems your mate did the same with his rim choice.
AirStrike
Selling FG G6E Turbo and buying a N/A Supra
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My mate bought the car like that. I didn't say it tears the stitch welds. it tears the top of the tower where the top of the strut bolts in (to be specific).
Site Administrator
A strut brace is to stop flex within the strut towers. So you are saying that the strut lost capture from the strut top?
AirStrike
Selling FG G6E Turbo and buying a N/A Supra
moderator- for now anyway
I can understand what you are getting at. I know personally how important the wheels offset is with a lowered car, after tearing grooves into many a set of tyres lol. The lady with the spark plugs is a classic, maybe she wanted to make sure you knew it was white so shes would be sure to get colour coded plugs
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Just wanted to add, some parts guys are assholes lol. I went to get a pressure pack of raven paint mixed, gave them all the details bar the paint code which I didn;t have on me at the time. Anyway I said it was a vt, told them the year yada yada yada, and at the time I was driving our vr and the guy went out to the car park and said no thats a vr love. Well duh, then they preceded to tell me its not a holden colourthey told me to come back with the paint code.
Anyway as much as I felt like telling them to shove it up their asses, I ended up coming in later that arvo with hubby with the paint code. Same guy who served me come up, ignored me, spoke straight to hubby he said he wanted raven paint etc like I did and said mate u need the paint code? He said nah I'll just look it up on the computer.
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its not to stop flex. its to give more support to the top of the struts as they are under more pressure when lowered. they start to tear the holes in the top of your towers as the strut collapses inwards and moves.A strut brace is to stop flex within the strut towers. So you are saying that the strut lost capture from the strut top?
AirStrike
Site Administrator
The strut brace never goes any where near the strut itself. It is bolted on to the strut tower.
Im not going to argue, search the net and any relevant modification litirature and you will see that your assumption is incorrect.
AirStrike
Selling FG G6E Turbo and buying a N/A Supra
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the bolts from the strut go through the holes in the tower then through the brace. you seriously think the brace is just bolted to the tower. ok then. where do you think the threaded bolts that go through the brace come from? they are on top of the strut and go through the holes in the tower. instead of just puting the nuts on top of the tower you put the brace there then the nuts on top. that way they are all locked together. i don't think you've researched your own argument.
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