P plate fell off, Need advice

[flat6]

Hi all

Last Sunday i was pulled over by two cops for some random reason, anyway they give me a breath test and all is good, but they notice that the p plate on my back window has fallen off, after kindly arguing with them for 10 minutes, they book me for $110 and 3 points, thus ive lost my license now over this bullsh!t

It was 9pm at night, I wouldnt of been able to see it fall off.. (its one of those static ones you can only see from one side), they took photos and you can easily see it was stuck there earlier.. I cant believe they did me over this, money hungry bastards..

But really, It's not the money, its my license...

I've rang them up and requested the photos, they refuse to give them to me :S I need to see these photos...

What can i do?

What will happen if i cant get out of this? ( i had 2 points left)

Cheers

[Infus10n]

fight it in court.

[Julie]

I believe there is nothing you can do, take it to court maybe the judge will show leniency. But at the end of the day its your fault for not making sure the p plate was attached in a manner that it would stay attached. Hard luck mate

As for what will happen, well you will lose your licence for 3 months.

[VS Omega]

You shouldn't have argued.. you should never argue with the jacks, surprisingly if you act like a fully sick arse arguing with them they're not going to give a shit about your circumstances.. treat them with respect and they won't be out to get you!

[clixanup]

You shouldn't have argued.. you should never argue with the jacks

Sage advice. 9 out of 10 police persons are more than reasonable if you co-operate with them.

But in your case, with so many points already...

If it were a first or second offence you might have gotten away with it.

[EvoVIIIJDM]

Yer pretty much arguing aint gonna get you anywhere. The onus is fully on you to make sure that your Ps are on there like glue so a bullshit situation like this doesnt happen. Thats tuff luck mate.

[flat6]

I wasnt arguing as such, i simply explained to him that i had stuck it on before leaving and due to it being cold it must of just peeled off with out me noticing, they pulled me up like 5kms from my home. so i really had the time to fix it

Because your a p plater, they treat you as if your black...

If i go on the 3 month suspension, will i receive my 5 points back at the end of 3 months?

Does it affect the duration of when i get off my p's??

I lost 3 points around 8 months ago for being caught 20kms over the limit on the eastern freeway (melb)

cheers

[kurtbarker]

yeah that sucks mate, i'm kinda doing the dodgy with my P's at the minute, so I hope you don't mind, but i'd like to ask a relating question

Besides getting one of the stick it on the windscreen plates, I have no where for the front one [have one on the back]. So i'm using a long bottle to hold the plate against the window. From the outside it looks perfect, would come off however if I did a really forceful turn.

If I was pulled up by the cops and they saw that, even tho it's clearly visable from the outside, could they get me for how it is held there?

[clixanup]

If i go on the 3 month suspension, will i receive my 5 points back at the end of 3 months?

Does it affect the duration of when i get off my p's??

I lost 3 points around 8 months ago for being caught 20kms over the limit on the eastern freeway (melb)

The answers are all here:

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrne/...10042874A?open

[dephilile]

even if you take it to court and win, i think you still lose the points don't you? i remember seeing something on today tonight a while back where people were taking things to court and winning but still losing points.

[zandahar]

mate no offence but you were probably a smart ass or theyve seen your record and decided to kick your ass. If you lost your lic for just thart then you already had racked up some points for other offences and obv do for doing 120km down the freeway and musta been some other things.

A year ago I turned right where i wasnt sposed to...didnt know the area and honestly didnt see the no turn right sign. My missus had driven my car to where we went, and i drove home and forgot to put rear p plate up and said exactly that and he let me off with a warning. Also let me off with a warning for the right turn as he saw I didnt live anywhere near the location it happened.

i think any points u lose come back 3 years after the offence p plates or otherwise. I know if you get your lic suspended within the first year, you get 10 months extra plus the additional time it was suspended for. EG 3 months susp = 10 +3 = 13 months dunno if its changed now tho

Your attitude and previous record will always play a massive part in how nice a copper wants to be over a minor offence

[jack.mc]

This is why mine is screwed under my number plate. Front and back. No chance in hell that those things are coming off until they get taken off...

[Keepleft]

[QUOTE=flat6]Hi all

Last Sunday i was pulled over by two cops for some random reason, anyway they give me a breath test and all is good, but they notice that the p plate on my back window has fallen off, after kindly arguing with them for 10 minutes,

DON'T argue with police, they have all the resources of the 'state' behind them. In your driving life you *must* be stealthy. Meaning you must not in anyway give the state REASON to stop you going about your own private and personal business when you are driving.


they book me for $110 and 3 points, thus ive lost my license now over this bullsh!t

Yup!


It was 9pm at night, I wouldnt of been able to see it fall off.. (its one of those static ones you can only see from one side), they took photos and you can easily see it was stuck there earlier.. I cant believe they did me over this, money hungry bastards..

As much as you hate this, AND I agree with your frustration IF you are honest that in fact it did fall off as stated, you must understand police hear every excuse like this under the sun, seriously every single day they are on patrol . .


But really, It's not the money, its my license...

Yes, true, but $$ are ever important too, even the rich hate giving $$ to the state!


I've rang them up and requested the photos, they refuse to give them to me :S I need to see these photos...
What can i do?

Why do you need their photographs? IF the watermark stain is on the glass as you say, take your own photographs. Do NOT try and make one, you can be found out in image discrepency


What will happen if i cant get out of this? ( i had 2 points left)
If your record is clear, and you'd like to try and keep it this way, you can but explain this to the magistrate and plead for leniency. Ring and ask to see a chamber magistrate, do so - and discuss this with him/her.

A note: NSW is I understand going to 'toughen-up' P Plate display requirements, with even greater penalty application, I know some employees support 'instant' loss of license for this. They seek to keep the graduated license system at full integrity.


Clixanup wrote: "The answers are all here: http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrne/...10042874A?"

Australia is a nation of sovereign states, what applies in Victoria will not necessarily apply interstate.

[clixanup]

Australia is a nation of sovereign states, what applies in Victoria will not necessarily apply interstate.

Yeah I know. Lived here all my life. Studied some history of the place too.

If you paid attention though, you would have noticed that the original poster is from Victoria. Keeping that in mind, I pointed him to the Vicroads website for the answers he sought. At no stage did I say that these rules would apply to everyone. It was a direct answer to the original poster, nothing more.

[AirStrike]

When my mate lost his license, he elected to choose to keep his license on the condition that if he lost any more demerit points in a 12 month period he recieved twice the suspension period.
So you can retain your license, just you cant loose any points for 12 months or you loose your license for (in your case) 8 months.
AirStrike

[flat6]

mate no offence but you were probably a smart ass or theyve seen your record and decided to kick your ass. If you lost your lic for just thart then you already had racked up some points for other offences and obv do for doing 120km down the freeway and musta been some other things.

Mate, you'll get to learn that these guys can be assholes when ever they feel like it or have a shitty day, I honestly wasnt being a smart arse, I really didnt say much other than it had fallen off and kept it pritty simple.

sometimes they let you off, sometimes they dont.. Just depends on the cop you get.

My record is quite clean, the fine i got 8 months ago, he asked me what my excuse was, i said.. no excuse, paid the $220 and that was that.

Either way, i dun care, 3 months and i get all my points back which should give me some headroom untill i remove these evil letters from my car.

Honestly the system is a raught, i know some of you's must be cops but hey, you's would know best no?

[zandahar]

if people didnt do shit wrong in the first place they would have to bitch about why the system is wrong now would they I'm no saint but at least I cop it on the chin when I do something wrong

[vlv8vic]

id say stiff shit and stop sooking. i always made sure mine was never going to fall off. its not that hard.

why you were down to your last points? i dont know, i can only assume the police picked on your poor soul for something else that of course was totally not your fault.

get a bike buddy.

[holdensupporter2005]

The stick on P plates WILL stay on the windows, if the windows is free from grime. and the P plate is also free of grime. I suggest washing the P plate in warms soapy water and wash the window as well. Allow both to dry thoroughly and then stick the P plate on, pressing out air bubbles as you go. The P plate Will not come off easily if you follow these steps. I had a set of these on my car when I had P plates and they stayed on for 3 years without an issue.

I was once driving the work vehicle and I didn't have my plates up. I was a couple of km's above the speed limit. the copper gave me a choice of paying the $110 fine and losing a point for speeding, or a $100 fine with no points taken off for the P plates not being displayed. I took the $100 fine and didn't lose any points, That was a couple of years ago when you had 12 points on P plates, but the laws have changed a bit since then for P platers.

[Just_Ice]

Because your a p plater, they treat you as if your black...

Please explain this comment, I am very interested in what you have to say..

[Shounak]

I was thinking the same thing.. I'm eagerly awaiting an explanation..

[vlv8vic]

as am i. hes talking about someone terrible, and relating it to being black. i doubt he will wiggle out of this one.

[vt1538]

I fear that his answer could close this thread.

[Just_Ice]

Then perhaps that is what should happen, I don't think it deserves anymore time.....

[ucwepn]

Yeah I lost all my points on my P's (15 points) you only got 12 points for P's back then in VIC. I'll admit I was well stupid for some of the stuff I did (mostly). Am now on full licence and have been for nearly 2 years and have only lost 3 points in that time. I have certainly learned my lesson and matured allot since then. But catching the bus to work everyday will do that to ya LOL.

I lost 6 points in 1 night for 110 in a 70 zone twice in 1 night and got 2 one month suspensions but they farked up and I only had to serve the 1 month.

Then when I got my licence back after losing all my points VICroads gave me a full licence which I still hold and am super careful to make sure I keep it.