Speeding Fines...

[raZel]

Hey guys,
i jst wanted to get some info on a speeding fine.. i know someone that jst got pulled up doing 85km/h in a 70 zone, so the speed she was caught at was dropped to 83km/h, she got a $210 fine and pinged with 3 demerit points, in my mind it should be 2 points? am i right or wrong?

Cheers
raZel

[Shounak]

Hmmm. My girlfriend got caught under those same circumstances..

Exceed speed limit by 10km/h or more but less than 25km/h - 3 demerit points..

Sucks huh?

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrne/...A0016A673?open

[ucwepn]

The points scheme has changed in recent times and is much harsher than it used to be. about 4 years ago I got caught doing 110 in a 70 zone and got 3 points and a 1 month disqualification.

[minux]

Yup point scheme has changed alot, i think it should be even more harsh, 3 points 2 - 9 km/h over 6 points for 10km/h and over...would stop people speeding, any one see the ****stain P Plater be caught at 185 km/h? Smart move, its the second one in 2 nights, the first one drover 203 km/h straight towards the boozre bus...wankers.

[TigerVX]

Just bring in the double demirits full time rather than just on long weekends. I see so many of these ****stain P platers that you are talking about. I live right beside the highway and cops are forever chasing them past my house.

[Shounak]

Yup point scheme has changed alot, i think it should be even more harsh, 3 points 2 - 9 km/h over 6 points for 10km/h and over...would stop people speeding, any one see the ****stain P Plater be caught at 185 km/h? Smart move, its the second one in 2 nights, the first one drover 203 km/h straight towards the boozre bus...wankers.

So basically, P plates lose their licenses for going 2km over the limit, twice..

Are you telling me that you've never gone 2km/h on the limit on a freeway. It's very easy to go to 105km/h, unless you're eyes are constantly on the speedo.

What about the ****stain fully licensed 23 year old who got going 180km/h in a 60km/h zone on Maroondah Highway in an XR8.. No mention..

Your mention of P platers is completely superfluous and vindictive..

Get off your high horse..

[minux]

So P platers only have 6 points now? I guess they changed the law over night, because last time i checked they had 12 points like every other driver.

As for going over, why would i? i set cruise control and just steer. I dont need to speed.

The mention of P platers was warranted, young drivers in general are a majority menace on the road, so maybe you should get off your high horse and realise that statistics of males aged under 25 driving like a wanker are a hell of a lot higher than males over 25.

[Shounak]

So P platers only have 6 points now? I guess they changed the law over night, because last time i checked they had 12 points like every other driver.

Let me clarify. We can lose only 5 points in a year. So if we got caught in a 12 month period exceeding the limit by 2km, cya later license..

As for going over, why would i? i set cruise control and just steer. I dont need to speed.

Cruise is a luxury that not everyone has or can afford. Even then, when I drive my mums with the cruise on 100km/h, going downhill the speed can creep up a bit. It's not hard to exceed the limit..

But for drivers without, it's very easy to momentarily exceed the limit by a small amount. Damn easy.

The mention of P platers was warranted, young drivers in general are a majority menace on the road, so maybe you should get off your high horse and realise that statistics of males aged under 25 driving like a wanker are a hell of a lot higher than males over 25.

I'm not on a high horse mate, you're victimising a collective group of drivers. A group of driver you belonged to 2 years ago.

Most of the ridiculous driving and stunts I have seen is mostly done by full license holders anyway. They're the ones with the power at their disposal. Burnouts and powerslides aren't easy or possible on most Commodores.

It's the big V8's and stuff which indulge in this behaviour. I'd think a lot of serious crashes are under 25's but off their P's..

But anyway, you always drag P platers into everything.. You said they couldnt drive straight before and are always over the road and you're always coming up with stuff against them. It's a huge segment which encompasses a huge amount of drivers..

Generalisations aren't fair, only empirical facts..

[B£å¢kÐðg]

So P platers only have 6 points now? I guess they changed the law over night, because last time i checked they had 12 points like every other driver.

Queensland P platers only get 4 points a year unless it's changed

[vlv8vic]

didnt change over night, changed i think about 2 years ago. shounak explained it pretty well.

[yosy]

All speed cameras and radars are inacurate they are looking at the vehicle from an angle but the inacuracy works in your favor but if you can argue that they are inacurate then id imagine they would have to disregard your fine
simple yes/no awnser in court are the speed cameras inacurate yes

[MBS206]

Problem being, the ADRs specify your speedo to only be within 10% accuracy, therefore, in a 100KM/H zone, you dial your speedo in at 100KM/H, and you can actually be doing either, 90km/h through to 110km/h.
Did you know commodore speedos from the factory are set out?

As for points a Red P plater only has 4 points, as soon as they hit 4 points, licence gone. A green P plater has a maximum of 7 points, as soon as they hit 7 points, licence gone. Now, if a red p plater looses 3 points, then when they hit greens, they can only accumulate 4 points and then loose there licence.
As for each year for P-platers, your points are only given back to you 3 years after the offence.
So you get done on your first year of P's, you don't get those points back until you are off your P's unless you loose your licence.

Also, I find double demerits in my area VERY dangerous.
Most people are so busy being a hawk on the speedo, they're not actually noticing the car ahead of him starting to brake, or the car coming up the right hand side of them (on a dual lane road) and hence, they suddenly look up, see they're about to slam a car, and swerve to the right thinking that side is clear, because hey, there last check was a minute ago, and it was clear, next thing you know, you have 3 cars crunched in an accident. All because someone was trying not to get done for speeding.

As for P platers crashing etc, as I beleive it was Dick Johnson said, Ban Low performance drivers, not high performance cars.
Licence testing has to be ALOT stricter then what it is. I just passed my greens test about 6 months ago, and it was easy as, you just touch a screen. How does that test how good a driver is?

As for the points thing
For NSW

0-15km/h is 3 points, $75
15-30km/h is 3 points, $215
30-45km/h is 4 points, fine of around $575 plus 3 month suspension
45+ is around $1000 and 6 points, plus a 6 month suspension
60+ is around a $2000 and an instant loss of licence for 12months.

[AirStrike]

Hey what do ya know!! Just on the news minux two blokes caught last night speeding where full license holders, one a 30 year old!
AirStrike

[kopper69]

In QLD i think over the speed limit by less than 13km/hr is only 1 point. Over 13km/hr but under 20 is 3 points. Over 20km/hr and it gets a bit tougher, plus they are going to go double demerit points for a second offence over 20km/hr over the speed limit. Why on earth would a commodore have the factory speedo out at the factory? Makes no sense to me at all. Do you have any proof of this statement?

[Shounak]

Hey what do ya know!! Just on the news minux two blokes caught last night speeding where full license holders, one a 30 year old!
AirStrike

It can't be.. They must have been P plated menaces posing as full license drivers.. Damn P platers not putting up their P plates..

They shouldn't be on the road..

[minux]

Hey what do ya know!! Just on the news minux two blokes caught last night speeding where full license holders, one a 30 year old!
AirStrike

I have never denied there arent wankers on the road that arent young, all i am saying is, the majority of ****wits on the road are under 25.

Amazing that insurance companies and police are aware of this also, its just people in this age bracket that dont beleive it until they grow up and realise some of the stupid things they did. Unfortunatly some of these people dont grow up.

[vlv8vic]

and the same ones who dont grow up dont keep up to date with road rules, demerit systems etc etc and lose a lot of credibility when they attempt to give the perception they are intelligent.

[AirStrike]

and the same ones who dont grow up dont keep up to date with road rules, demerit systems etc etc and lose a lot of credibility when they attempt to give the perception they are intelligent.

LMFAO!!
AirStrike

[MBS206]

Why on earth would a commodore have the factory speedo out at the factory? Makes no sense to me at all. Do you have any proof of this statement?

It's to allow for variations in tyre wear.
A standard commodore speedo is set 2% to over read. So when your speedo is saying 102km/h, you're only doing 100km/h.
A standard falcon speedo is set to 4% over read. When your speedo is saying 104km/h in a falcon, you're only donig 100km/h.

It's all to allow for tyre wear and changes such as that. Also with age, you get slippage etc with the VSS (Not major, just minor changes)

Check up the ADRs, it specifically states that a speedometer only has to be accurate within 10% of the vehicles speed.

[MBS206]

I have never denied there arent wankers on the road that arent young, all i am saying is, the majority of ****wits on the road are under 25.

Amazing that insurance companies and police are aware of this also, its just people in this age bracket that dont beleive it until they grow up and realise some of the stupid things they did. Unfortunatly some of these people dont grow up.

Bahahaha... Go try and get insurance mate, you'll have found that most people under 30 now have higher insurances, whereas, as soon as you get over 30, it drops down even more.

[ucwepn]

The statistics don't lie, There are more crashes involving P platers than any other group of drivers. Under 25's are the next in line and then under 30's. P platers are viewed as high risk group, but ALL drivers have moments of stupidity on occasion, whether it be speeding or pulling out in traffic at the wrong time, not watching the road or not checking mirrors etc.... the list goes on.

I am not bashing all P platers, I have allot of respect for their driving ability especially the ones with Hi powered cars who know how to drive sensibly.

[MBS206]

The statistics don't lie, There are more crashes involving P platers than any other group of drivers. Under 25's are the next in line and then under 30's. P platers are viewed as high risk group, but ALL drivers have moments of stupidity on occasion, whether it be speeding or pulling out in traffic at the wrong time, not watching the road or not checking mirrors etc.... the list goes on.

I am not bashing all P platers, I have allot of respect for their driving ability especially the ones with Hi powered cars who know how to drive sensibly.

Think about this.
EVERYONE was an inexperienced driver, and didn't know all the little tricks.
Most people learn from there mistakes, even if they've never had an accident, they sure as hell would have had a close call.

Each closecall/accident makes you change your driving style slightly, and you learn more, and become a much safer driver.
I can still remember the stories of my dad and uncle when they used to drag race and slide around corners etc, drive home drunk, the works. But now, you'd be hard pressed to find either of them doing stuff like that, all because they learnt from there mistakes.

And there was some reserch done around 6 months ago, that showed people over 55 are actually WORSE drivers then P-Platers. Although they aren't often involved in high speed crashes, they were alot more dangerous on the road then P-Platers.

[minux]

Think about this.
EVERYONE was an inexperienced driver, and didn't know all the little tricks.
Most people learn from there mistakes, even if they've never had an accident, they sure as hell would have had a close call.

Each closecall/accident makes you change your driving style slightly, and you learn more, and become a much safer driver.
I can still remember the stories of my dad and uncle when they used to drag race and slide around corners etc, drive home drunk, the works. But now, you'd be hard pressed to find either of them doing stuff like that, all because they learnt from there mistakes.

And there was some reserch done around 6 months ago, that showed people over 55 are actually WORSE drivers then P-Platers. Although they aren't often involved in high speed crashes, they were alot more dangerous on the road then P-Platers.

Well said, however young people on here quickly jump to their own defense, they will see in a few years time how stupid they were for doing one thing or another.

[minux]

and the same ones who dont grow up dont keep up to date with road rules, demerit systems etc etc and lose a lot of credibility when they attempt to give the perception they are intelligent.

Since when is the points sytem a road rule? Why would i keep myself up to date with how P platers lose points? Granted before saying something liek that i should have researched. My own fault

[minux]

Bahahaha... Go try and get insurance mate, you'll have found that most people under 30 now have higher insurances, whereas, as soon as you get over 30, it drops down even more.

My insurance for my modified vehicle was below $600 and only $250 excess. What is wrong with that?