drug legislation?

[gocommygo]

ok i KNOW this IS a touchy subject, but has anyone else ever wondered why the fudge marijuana is illegal? how many people die EACH AND EVERY DAY from tobacco, alcohol related things? and how many ppl have died from cannabis... ever? id love to know why the government is holding back medical marijuana, for all you anti drug people marijuana can be succesfully used to treat chronic migranes, galucoma, cancer patients, chronic pain, EPILEPSY, insomnia, stress, etc and also a very versitile fibre (rope, clothes, etc) i personally dont condone marijuana use (stoners REALLY sh*t me tho) like fair enough cocaine, heroin ,etc are illegal, any dose of that stuff could be ur last. :| and who the hell has seen a stoned person stumbling round being violent? imo its OUTRAGEOUS that such substances as alcohol and tobacco are legal and marijuana illegal for everything :| crazy, your thoights?

[Spyper]

Marijuana would be too hard to regulate, and most importantly, tax. THAT is why it's medicinal and apparal markets are restricted.

Also, who's to say regular stoner Joe doesn't claim "migranes" when he's 8 crop room gets raided by the Police?

All drugs should be manufactured and controlled by private organisations with heavy government regulation. It'd drive the cost down, thereby putting most (not all) of illegal drug manufacturing out of business. Also, products would be 'cleaner' and harm minimisation would be greater.

My views, disagree as you will.

[gocommygo]

Marijuana would be too hard to regulate, and most importantly, tax. THAT is why it's medicinal and apparal markets are restricted.

Also, who's to say regular stoner Joe doesn't claim "migranes" when he's 8 crop room gets raided by the Police?

All drugs should be manufactured and controlled by private organisations with heavy government regulation. It'd drive the cost down, thereby putting most (not all) of illegal drug manufacturing out of business. Also, products would be 'cleaner' and harm minimisation would be greater.

My views, disagree as you will.

yeh i agree actually, there would be too many holes and corruption but i spose, where theres a will theres a way

[vt1538]

I suppose it will be to hard to regulate. By this I mean the government wont be able to tax it efficiently as the supply & distribution is already underground.
As for noone dying from the direct use of marijuana I think that if it was a legal substance a few years would show us the effects.

[gocommygo]

yeh, my cousin developed paranoid schizophrenia from years of smoking pot laced with chemicals and doing other things...

[jack.mc]

yeh, my cousin developed paranoid schizophrenia from years of smoking pot laced with chemicals and doing other things...

I reckon thats probably why its illegal! I'm not decided on the topic, a few of my mates have done pot, and they're top blokes - you definately cant pick. There are nasty side effects from overuse, and it would be impossible to monitor consumption. IMHO, a bit here and there is ok (I havent done it though). The problems come up when people do it all day, every day, contribute nothing to society and end up an expense to taxpayers.

That said, I bet theres more alcos than there are stoners, leeching off everyone else.

Its a tough topic.

[gocommygo]

I reckon thats probably why its illegal! I'm not decided on the topic, a few of my mates have done pot, and they're top blokes - you definately cant pick. There are nasty side effects from overuse, and it would be impossible to monitor consumption. IMHO, a bit here and there is ok (I havent done it though). The problems come up when people do it all day, every day, contribute nothing to society and end up an expense to taxpayers.

That said, I bet theres more alcos than there are stoners, leeching off everyone else.

Its a tough topic.

yeh i have some sometimes when my insomnia gets bad or im having alot of panic attacks, the thing is u dunno wots in it tho chemicals really fk u up

[Spyper]

yeh, my cousin developed paranoid schizophrenia from years of smoking pot laced with chemicals and doing other things...

You can not develop those type of things from smoking dope.. it just helps it to come on quicker if you were already prone to it. Same as psychosis.. you can not develop it from smoking.. it just helps bringing it into light if you understand me.

[gocommygo]

You can not develop those type of things from smoking dope.. it just helps it to come on quicker if you were already prone to it. Same as psychosis.. you can not develop it from smoking.. it just helps bringing it into light if you understand me.

yeh i started smoking when i was 10 im slowly losing itbut oh well, thats what medication is for

[gopher]

yeh, my cousin developed paranoid schizophrenia from years of smoking pot laced with chemicals and doing other things...

i think you've just answered your own question

[gocommygo]

yeh, it needs to be legalised and CONTROLLED eg, grown all organic, just how its sposed to be

[minux]

Im against any drug legalisation, it's bad enough we have shooting galleries for junkies.

For the rcord i think smoking should be illegal also, however, i cant say the same about alcohol

The whole topic is really dependant on if you smoke pot or you dont, nons mokers will generally be against it, smokers will be for it.

[Garth]

im against drugs
im against smoking (i smoke, i wanna give up, it's not that easy though)

drugs should be banned, drug dealers should be locked up for a long period of time, and users should be fined, in my eye's driving after you have had a few scobs or cones or what ever they are called is exactly the same as drink driving. premeditated murder as far as im concerend.

so yeah, my 2 cents.

[Spyper]

You're never going to stop the illegal side of it by chasing down all the importers/growers/manufacturers/users. Harm Minimisation is the only thing that can 'POTENTIALLY' work. Make it cheap and clean, the theft/violence will be reduced, deaths will be reduced, and I guarantee usage will be reduced. The dirty manufacturers put out of business etc.

I don't smoke dope, but I come from a family that does. I'm a ciggy smoker and hate it.. they should eventually phase them out. All steps to removing smoking I'm in agreement with, cept the pub/clubs.. a ciggy with your drink is just the thing. Like a lighter to a ciggerette

Anyhow off topic, garth, good luck locking everyone up.. not gonna happen. Next best achieveable thing?

Dude, driving stoned.. it isn't 100% safe I'll give you that. But you're very careful when driving stoned to the point it's MOSTLY safe. And if you're too stoned to drive, lol.. you just don't drive. And I don't say that as a common sense thing.. I say that as a you know you cant drive so you dont attempt it.

[minux]

Dude, driving stoned.. it isn't 100% safe I'll give you that. But you're very careful when driving stoned to the point it's MOSTLY safe. And if you're too stoned to drive, lol.. you just don't drive. And I don't say that as a common sense thing.. I say that as a you know you cant drive so you dont attempt it.

It's not a matter of being careful, your reaction times are actually slower than when .2 BAC level.

[gocommygo]

driving stoned is F*****G scary... no way you could crash tho lol oh and for interest sake, your no more of a danger driving stoned then being straight, bin tests done on it. and reaction times slower? hahahahaha i think not ive bin that toasted ive seen pigs fly past and still stopped at the right times, etc and basically if u get too stoned, driving sounds like a bad idea, just feel hungry lol

[TigerVX]

The way I see it is if you wan't to smoke it you will. It's not like it's hard to come by.
Legalisation will basically make pot worth nothing at all and get rid of a lot of dealers.
The government will never get rid of standard cigarettes - the make way too much money in taxes on it. If they really wanted to get rid of smoking the could easily triple the tax rate on cigarettes and ban smoking all together in public. That's never going to happen.
As for the long term side effects of pot i'm not sure but the long term side effects of cigarettes and alcohol kill heaps of people every year.

Does anyone know if it is still legal to grow pot in canberra?

[gocommygo]

yes, it is and its kinda legal to smoke it, qld has the hardest laws in oz on cannabis. if weed was legal the whole "im cool cuz i smoke illegal stuff" thing woulda wear off and youd find less people smoking. and nowdays itscoming more and more common im finding that less people are smoking cigarettes and more into pot, go figure

[gopher]

driving stoned is F*****G scary... no way you could crash tho lol oh and for interest sake, your no more of a danger driving stoned then being straight, bin tests done on it. and reaction times slower? hahahahaha i think not ive bin that toasted ive seen pigs fly past and still stopped at the right times, etc and basically if u get too stoned, driving sounds like a bad idea, just feel hungry lol

were you stoned when you typed that?

[minux]

were you stoned when you typed that?

i think you might be on to something

[ClairBear]

Copied from www.erowid.org

A very informative site about the complex relationship between humans and pyschoactives.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabi..._health3.shtml
Does Cannabis Cause Psychosis?
There are several distinct types of "causes": necessary, sufficient, and component. A necessary cause is one that must be present before the result can occur. A sufficient cause is one that is, by itself, enough to cause the result. A component cause is one that is part of a "constellation" of causes that work together to bring about a result.

All of the recent research into this issue has found that cannabis is neither necessary nor sufficient to cause schizophrenia by itself.5 Rather, it is most likely a component factor when combined with a variety of other potential issues such as genetic pre-disposition or difficult childhood. Cannabis use, along with its attendant lifestyle and subculture, probably worsens symptoms in some of those vulnerable to psychotic disorders. The same is commonly said of the psychedelics such as LSD or psilocybin. As we don't know what causes schizophrenia, determining how important a factor cannabis use is cannot be determined.

Cannabis use could be a precipitating component in several ways. Heavy cannabis use may worsen certain coping mechanisms and weaken familial or social support through social disapproval. Fear of legal problems could cause anxiety and paranoid feelings; actual legal problems could damage self-esteem, damage hopes for life goals, or cause serious life problems. Cannabis intoxication can lower inhibitions and self control, worsen some symptoms to the point of dysfunction, or be part of a lifestyle that involves irregular sleep or other instability. It is easy to imagine that the effects of frequent or high dose cannabis intoxication could exacerbate these underlying instabilities and lead to increased paranoia and delusions.
C.

[ucwepn]

Ok I have some experience in this area being a former long term marijuana smoker. I smoked when I was younger started at around 14 or so then on and off till around 22 then stopped for a couple of years until I started doing shift work at this factory with allot of mates and started to smoke a little here then a little there. Then it became a daily thing after a few months but after a year or so it just became a DRUGFEST at work, at home ,in the car. Just basically stoned 24/7 kept the pipe in the car and always had some buds on me. We were stopping the production line on night shift and going out to the car for a session then coming back to work with heavy machinery. Lunch involved driving home really fast chopping up, smoking then driving back to work equally fast. The bosses knew, everyone knew. Me and the missus were smoking around 3-5 grams a day, every day without fail and this led to her getting psychosis (we were occasionally dabbling in other harder substances also, but I blame the Marijuana). This work habit went on for around 3 years unchanged. You cannot imagine how much choof we were smoking.

I look back now having been clean for 22 months and think Damn what a waste of braincells and money LOL ($250 a week I could have a GTS by now)

If you legalize or even decriminalize it, will just lead to a lazy psychotic nation that doesn't know what its doing and is forgetful and hungry LOL

[Spyper]

I'm not for decriminilisation, I'm about legalisation and regulation.

Making it legal to smoke does nothing to the current system except stop people from being charged. And it'd hardly lead to a country of lazy psychotic people.

[xlr8_87]

as far as i'm concerned they should ban alcohol as well
its a drug, id happily live without it, and there'd be less deaths around
sure you still would get the same sort of alcohol trade as there is with drugs currently, but i imagine itd be better for us all
if you cant have a good time without alcohol then really you're of no use to society

[ucwepn]

I'm not for decriminilisation, I'm about legalisation and regulation.

Making it legal to smoke does nothing to the current system except stop people from being charged. And it'd hardly lead to a country of lazy psychotic people.

How exactly would you know what it leads to? It is not a good thing for weak willed people to get into because they will never quit. I know a couple of people who have developed psychosis and have never touched anything other than marijuana (to my knowledge). Decriminalising is the same as what you are suggesting with the "legislation" and control. Control is an illusion. Crime will not magically stop, dealers will turn to harder drugs to sell to support their incomes.

You are a smoker obviously because only smokers would want new legislation