Death Penalty

[minux]

I myself believe in the death penalty.

For those who don't, what are your thoughts on the mongrel that sexually assaulted then murdered the young 8 year old girl in perth?

For those who havent heard(hard not too)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...6/s1673157.htm

Sorry, but people like this DO NOT deserve to live. All they deserve is a bullet between the eyes. This guy had already been to court of sexual molesting another child, yet was let off on a "technicality"(ps i hope the lawyer that found this technicality will kill himself).

People who abuse childrens trust like this have no right to live. They have no place in society.

If i could get my hands on an unregistered non australian rifle, i would be sniping this guy tomorrow. Anyone have a rifle?

Anyway what are other peoples thoughts on this?

[gumbs]

Couldn't agree more. I have a strong opinion on any crime against someone else, I don't ahve a problem with drugs and dealers theyre just meeting a demand and not hurting anyone directly, but people that go bashing people, stealing and killing all deserve far harsher penalties than they are getting.

Bring back the death penalty, people like this don't deserve the chance to get rehabilitated.

[Outlaw Torn]

hhmmmm. how to get a gun to oz. im with ya Minux. that is sick as f**k. it worries could get let off on a technicality. Wot sort of technicality would cloud someones sense of what this tosser did.

[maxy0987]

you dont need a gun? you could just beat him with a bat?

[vt1538]

That mongrel should be killed,revived & killed again. Or like they used to do it, Hung drawn & quartered.
Better still leave him in the room with the parents & a carving knife.

[vlv8vic]

agree with minux.
good to see members keeping the debate within reasonable limits.although there hasnt been an argument yet. keep it clean, id like to see this thread last longer than the last of its kind.

[minux]

you dont need a gun? you could just beat him with a bat?

Then i could be jailed. With the skills our great defence force taught my, i could happily take a shot at 700 metres be sure his dead and be out of there before police would be able to organise.

[Outlaw Torn]

hmmmm. i have a FN-FAL. would that do it??? We've had our fair share of sickos here in nz to. You may/may not have heard of Operation Reef, looking for a girl named Coral. She was kidnapped, raped and tortured.

[minux]

hmmmm. i have a FN-FAL. would that do it??? We've had our fair share of sickos here in nz to. You may/may not have heard of Operation Reef, looking for a girl named Coral. She was kidnapped, raped and tortured.

too short range and innacurate, my personal choice would be xm109 barrett. Accurate Lethality to 1.8km. Lucky lethailty to 2km

[minux]

Back on topic. I would love to hear from pro life believers, i would love to hear why you think a saddistic psychopath like this shouldn't be killed

[Demons1964]

Alright, I'll bite. Flamesuit is at the ready.

Ask yourself the purpose of the punishment. Is it to stop the crime happening in the first place? Or is it a form of vengeance/payback?

The USA is a great case for where the death penalty is no deterrent. How many thousands of criminals are on death-row? Have murder rates dropped because of it? Life behind bars is sufficient motivation on its own. So clearly it is the vengeance factor that is motivator with the case you mentioned.

The problem that comes about when taking a human life is to make 100% sure the person did indeed commit the crime, NOT "beyond a reasonable doubt". Martin Bryant (Tassie massacre) fits the case of 100% guilty. But there have been quite a few cases in the USA where DNA evidence has later proved the wrong person was convicted and put to death. But being proved innocent is not going to help the guy in the casket. Imagine how you'd feel, if you sentenced to death an innocent man, it's a decision you can't reverse.

By the way, if that sick and twisted individual you mentioned was to meet with foul play behind bars I'd be more than satisfied. But to sanction state-endorsed murder when the stakes are so high is unacceptable in my view. Solitary confinement and passive torture (David Hicks style) would satisfy the vengeance factor in me well enough.

[spice weasel (BAM)]

I don't think we should kill em.

We should stick em in jail and leave him alone with big bubba for the next 50 years to be bashed and anally raped, make his life miserable.

Killing em is to good for em, unless it is a really nasty way of killing them, like cut their toes off and work ur way up.

Just my opinion. Killing them like that is to quick a way out. Hurt em really badly for 50 years plus is better revenge

[vlv8vic]

hmm im starting to warm to this torture idea.... give a little back to them.

[minux]

Alright, I'll bite. Flamesuit is at the ready.

Ask yourself the purpose of the punishment. Is it to stop the crime happening in the first place? Or is it a form of vengeance/payback?

The USA is a great case for where the death penalty is no deterrent. How many thousands of criminals are on death-row? Have murder rates dropped because of it? Life behind bars is sufficient motivation on its own. So clearly it is the vengeance factor that is motivator with the case you mentioned.

The problem that comes about when taking a human life is to make 100% sure the person did indeed commit the crime, NOT "beyond a reasonable doubt". Martin Bryant (Tassie massacre) fits the case of 100% guilty. But there have been quite a few cases in the USA where DNA evidence has later proved the wrong person was convicted and put to death. But being proved innocent is not going to help the guy in the casket. Imagine how you'd feel, if you sentenced to death an innocent man, it's a decision you can't reverse.

By the way, if that sick and twisted individual you mentioned was to meet with foul play behind bars I'd be more than satisfied. But to sanction state-endorsed murder when the stakes are so high is unacceptable in my view. Solitary confinement and passive torture (David Hicks style) would satisfy the vengeance factor in me well enough.

It is a form of revenge, i will agree with that. However, with how society is these days, criminals are getting less and less jail time. It guarantees this ****wit will never do this crime again. He is guilty without ANY doubt. I think in Australia the death penalty would have a bigger effect that the USA.

I don't think we should kill em.

We should stick em in jail and leave him alone with big bubba for the next 50 years to be bashed and anally raped, make his life miserable.

Killing em is to good for em, unless it is a really nasty way of killing them, like cut their toes off and work ur way up.

Just my opinion. Killing them like that is to quick a way out. Hurt em really badly for 50 years plus is better revenge

Sorry, but how can you justify paying your tax dollars to this ciminal? It costs $1.20 for 7.62 mm round. It costs approx $650,000 a year to keep this criminal behind bars. I dont know about you, but i know what i would prefer to be done.

[vlv8vic]

minux id like to see a team look into ways that figure could be cut right back to near an average wage. its always going to cost us something but you are right, that figure is unbelievable.
it shits me that in many cases they are living in cells better than some rentals ive had, with access to things ive never had access to (free gym, up to date facilities).

[spice weasel (BAM)]

Well i can understand that, it is definately much more expensive and mabye just impractical, so i can't really disagree with that. However i do still think my form of punishment is a better form of punishment even if not practical

On another note, how can you be certain when someone is guilty. there have been many cases where people have been wrongly convicted. (Not saying in this case). You can't take back a bullet

[minux]

minux id like to see a team look into ways that figure could be cut right back to near an average wage. its always going to cost us something but you are right, that figure is unbelievable.
it shits me that in many cases they are living in cells better than some rentals ive had, with access to things ive never had access to (free gym, up to date facilities).

I completly agree, however, as long as we have hippies who say even criminals deserve equal rights it wont happen.

Just one thing to pro lifers.

How would you feel if they were going to put this guy to death, then people and yourself protested about it saying he has a right to live. He is kept alive and eventually released after 30 years, he then by sheer misfortune happens to do this sort of crime to your grandchild. What would you then do? Would you change which fence you sit on? Or would you be satisfied with the fact he is behind bars?

[minux]

Well i can understand that, it is definately much more expensive and mabye just impractical, so i can't really disagree with that. However i do still think my form of punishment is a better form of punishment even if not practical

On another note, how can you be certain when someone is guilty. there have been many cases where people have been wrongly convicted. (Not saying in this case). You can't take back a bullet

I am talking dead certain video evidence, multiple witness evidence that this person comitted the crime. This guy was caught on video and seen by the family. No mistakes can be made. Martin Bryant could suffer the same fate fate(funnily enough there are sick idiots out there who believe he was framed)

[spice weasel (BAM)]

Ok. so what you are saying is a conviction in the courts is not enough. YOu need either multiple witness or video evidence to go for the death penalty.

I think i could come at that.

I definately agree these people are sick and just time in jail is not enough, but whenever you are feeling bad about the australian legal system, just look over to indonesia where the orchastrator of the bali bombing got 2.5 years and someone with a bit of dope (OK a lot of dope) gets 20 years. At least we are headed in the right direction

[minux]

Ok. so what you are saying is a conviction in the courts is not enough. YOu need either multiple witness or video evidence to go for the death penalty.

I think i could come at that.

I definately agree these people are sick and just time in jail is not enough, but whenever you are feeling bad about the australian legal system, just look over to indonesia where the orchastrator of the bali bombing got 2.5 years and someone with a bit of dope (OK a lot of dope) gets 20 years. At least we are headed in the right direction

Defiantly, we are alot better off than bali, although i wish our drug laws were as harsh as theirs.

As for the death penalty, defiantly not just a conviction, but evidence that cannot be disputed such as video evidence.

I am a little bias towards this because i have a very close friend who was sexually abused as a child. The guy got 2 years in jail and that was it, now the police hide him in witness protection style setup and he is pretty much free to dow hat he wants. This girl has tried to kill herself multiple times and is generally rooted in the head(even she says herself she wishes he had of killed her(she was found almost dead after the attack at 11 years of age)).

[Baritji]

Yeah nothing wrong with the Death Penalty. Though, If I was a criminal I would probably prefer that over spending 50+ years in prison.

As Minux has suggested, if there is undeniable evidence, then I cant see a problem with the bastards being put to death! It should only be used as a punishment for violent murders IMO!

I think the Death Penalty could do great things for Australia!!!

[Baritji]

Thats disgusting Minux, what are your thoughts on the Death Penalty for violent sexual crimes? Fry the bastards I say!

[Demons1964]

He is kept alive and eventually released after 30 years, he then by sheer misfortune happens to do this sort of crime to your grandchild. What would you then do? Would you change which fence you sit on? Or would you be satisfied with the fact he is behind bars?

I would change the current system - life would no longer mean 25 years, life would mean "Never to be released". But, I see your point. Take it one step further and let's say he is sentenced to the new "Never to be released" but after 30 years he escapes from jail and does what you said to my grandchild. I have to accept that these are the risks that I and most other people who are against the death penalty accept by not sanctioning murder.

The counter to your argument is that hypothetically 30 years down the track, it's proved that the video evidence was doctored by a corrupt detective desperate for a conviction. Too late, the innocent guy already has a bullet in his head and because he's dead the case file is closed and no further investigation goes into the case. Meanwhile the real perpetrator changes his modus operandi to not highlight the connection between any new crimes he commits and the crimes supposedly committed by the innocent man. He then commits hideous crimes to both my grandchildren and yours. Our grandchildren still suffer, and so has the innocent man murdered by the state.

[minux]

Thats disgusting Minux, what are your thoughts on the Death Penalty for violent sexual crimes? Fry the bastards I say!

With violent sexual crimes, honestly, i say death penalty.

I would change the current system - life would no longer mean 25 years, life would mean "Never to be released". But, I see your point. Take it one step further and let's say he is sentenced to the new "Never to be released" but after 30 years he escapes from jail and does what you said to my grandchild. I have to accept that these are the risks that I and most other people who are against the death penalty accept by not sanctioning murder.

The counter to your argument is that hypothetically 30 years down the track, it's proved that the video evidence was doctored by a corrupt detective desperate for a conviction. Too late, the innocent guy already has a bullet in his head and because he's dead the case file is closed and no further investigation goes into the case. Meanwhile the real perpetrator changes his modus operandi to not highlight the connection between any new crimes he commits and the crimes supposedly committed by the innocent man. He then commits hideous crimes to both my grandchildren and yours. Our grandchildren still suffer, and so has the innocent man murdered by the state.

With how forensics are these days any editing would be picked, alot of security companies are also using watermarking in their recordings, so it is almost impossible to pull off a fakey. The fact is, if it happens in a supermarket like this did, multiple cameras capture the offender multiple times. It would have to be a damned good copy to fake the video footage.

The never to be released setup is just a drain on us as the public. How many cases in the US is there in modern times of someone who was wrongfully accused being put to death?

[VZCalZone]

hate to say it but a bit of middle eastern punishment might do the trick. Off they come. I don't think prison life will be too great for him. From what I hear inmates don't take too kindly to rapists so he won't last long.

So in short solitary confinement with his hands behind his back so he can't fulfill his fantasies. With a daily whipping. And a straight jacket. And with ABBA playing continously. Yes that should do it.

The poor parents.