Umemployed?

[NVE_069]

As title says who is without work/umemployed. Well i am and havn a hard to finding work. i have searched the net papers an most places want younger juniors under 20 whats the go with that i no i no cheaper, but im sick of it now lol from haven a decent payn job which ended in around march i havnt had any luck. im even lookn for app but most want juniors which i thought its for any age? im even lookn for factory work not that i want to but i need the money. well not need but want :P more. centrelink think its just easy as a click of the fingures yeh rite. just sein if anyone else has this problem or its just me which i hope not lol

thanks for reading lol

cheers

[253@7k]

I had a hard time finding work earlier this year but I stuck with it and found something. Just dont be picky, if you need the money find a crap job, then when you find a better one, just quit. Also apply for a few at a time, you can always turn one down for another.

[NVE_069]

yeh i for one used to b picky but now i have learnt not too be as much lol

[1vngal]

I'm unemployed, and it's nearly impossible to find work down here! There's nothing!

[HoZy]

yep

Can't find anything It's a bitch when your only 17 & no license.

Cheers
MaT

[VRFURY]

i cant seem to get a full time job any way im stuck in a carppy pizza shop..

i have been to so many interveiws im ready to give up dam it

[1vngal]

yep

Can't find anything It's a bitch when your only 17 & no license.

Cheers
MaT

Yeah true Mat, but hey! Not for long!

[sixshooter]

Instead of just moaning about the job market... ask yourselves just one question

"What are you doing for yourself to make yourself more employable ?"

I'm without work atm... but I choose to be that way so I can study fulltime to gain a Diploma. When I've finished study I will have more skills than I have at present which will make me more employable to future employees. I'll be skilled enough to work as a contractor for anyone in the world that speaks english and needs IT personell....and won't have to worry about being tied to employers...this is my new personal workplace reform.

When I've finished I'll more than payback any taxes that have supported me while I've been out of work...by being in a higher paying job and tax bracket than what I will ever be if I dont study.

The biggest mistake anyone can make in their younger years is to not have their own direction or destiny to follow. It will turn around and bite them in the bum when they are older.

If you're all now just seaching for whatever employer will take you in and train you to do a job, then you will always be on the bottom of the heap and fighting for work entitlements. The way the gov has made things now with job contracts, people wont be able to fight for much without a good skills base.

It's sad to see on the news factories closing down and people suddenly being retrenched... people that have slaved their whole lives in one job suddenly unemployed with only minor skills for one type of job that any trained monkey could do. Look at what happened to Queensland with the banana's... now there's lot's of banana packers with nothing to pack.

If you get yourselves trained in some major field that will always be there and always in demand for people to do the work, then you'll always be employable as soon as you become unemployed.

Bit of a rant but just my 2c....

[minux]

sixshooter, you seem very confident that just a diploma will get you a high paying job. No offence, but if you want high paying, you really need uni. Tafe only teaches you enough of the basics to get by. Why didnt you jst do something like A+ with MSCE? Loads of people looking for MSCE's and the pay is always good.
Sorry bud, not trying to get you down, its great to see people re-educating themselves, just saying what i know from working in this area.

I am actually doing Bach. Of commerce next year.

Anyways, i have never had this problem, i won't leave a job until i have a new one. I would never ever place myself into a job that i didn't like, as in the end you not only wasted your own time, but you waste the employers time also, which is a big no no.

[jack.mc]

Same here Minux - I've had (crappy) jobs since I was 16, leaving one as a better offer came up. And I'm at uni - who knows what I'll do when I finish up with that..

[KingDiamond]

I can't really see why I haven't got a job eh...


I have a car, license, first aid cert, oh&s card, a few other certificates and tickets.

Went to 2 interviews last week and haven't heard anything back yet... Going to one today at 2pm, for an apprenticeship.

[NVE_069]

yeh i wanted to get into an app but from wot i have seen most want juniors lol but im waitin to here bak for a mechanic one on the 31st but im still lookn in the mean time as im not waitn an than not get in

cheers

[holdensupporter2005]

lost my job about a month ago after the business that I was at closed down.
I have been looking for work since. It is not as easy as one would have thought. Still, enjoying the time off while I can

[NVE_069]

yeh i enjoyed the time off but than it draged on longer an longer an now i get the shits bad lol ill yell at the com if i read an add that says Junior an so on. lol

cheers

[Reaper]

Instead of just moaning about the job market... ask yourselves just one question

"What are you doing for yourself to make yourself more employable ?"

The biggest mistake anyone can make in their younger years is to not have their own direction or destiny to follow. It will turn around and bite them in the bum when they are older.

If you're all now just seaching for whatever employer will take you in and train you to do a job, then you will always be on the bottom of the heap and fighting for work entitlements. The way the gov has made things now with job contracts, people wont be able to fight for much without a good skills base.

If you get yourselves trained in some major field that will always be there and always in demand for people to do the work, then you'll always be employable as soon as you become unemployed.

Bit of a rant but just my 2c....

Hellaluja! I've deleted a few paragraphs but agree totally. I am an employer and find that most applicants for jobs are unemployed for a reason. This is not directed at any of the posters to this thread because I don't know any of you.

If you are continually getting knocked back for jobs, look at yourself - it is your problem, not everybody elses. Look at how you dress (in most cases conformity is the key), how you present yourself (take out your eyebrow rings etc) and your resume, how you talk and for gods sake learn how to spell! When you are talking to an interviewer speak confidently, be bright and pleasant. Don't crack jokes but when you meet somebody a smile and firm shake of the hand as you say "pleased to meet you" goes a long way. If anybody wants some tips from a guy on the other side of the desk feel free to pm me.

The biggest issues I find with employees is work attitude and reliability. These days I don't employ anybody who is living with the "folks" and prefer those who have to pay rent or a mortgage. Reason - they have to turn up to work. I have run businesses who employ an agregate of over 500 workers and those that turn up on time every day are by far the minority.

Next is work ethic. Ask 100 people and 100 will say they are great workers but less than 1/3 are when my back is turned for 5 min. Ever wondered why afternoon shift is only 2/3 as productive as day shift on average??? Most of my guys are "unskilled" and trained on the job. The stupid thing is that the top guys earn $1,200 per week by just doing their job however most are lucky to get $700 because they find reasons why they can't be at work etc.

Oh well - I won't be popular (again!) but there's my little rant for the day

Reaper

[Reaper]

sixshooter, you seem very confident that just a diploma will get you a high paying job. No offence, but if you want high paying, you really need uni.

No offence but you are full of #%@*!

Basic education is important but a Uni degree is *NOT* a pre-requisite for a high paying job. Some professions it is manditory such as Lawyer, Dr etc however experience and a bit of planning on your part can get you well over $100k in not too long.

Focus on the job and learning how to do your next job. Forget about the money, it will look after itself for the most part. Be a bit smart about it and don't be discouraged.

Reaper

[vy_storm]

Hellaluja! I've deleted a few paragraphs but agree totally. I am an employer and find that most applicants for jobs are unemployed for a reason. This is not directed at any of the posters to this thread because I don't know any of you.

If you are continually getting knocked back for jobs, look at yourself - it is your problem, not everybody elses. Look at how you dress (in most cases conformity is the key), how you present yourself (take out your eyebrow rings etc) and your resume, how you talk and for gods sake learn how to spell! When you are talking to an interviewer speak confidently, be bright and pleasant. Don't crack jokes but when you meet somebody a smile and firm shake of the hand as you say "pleased to meet you" goes a long way. If anybody wants some tips from a guy on the other side of the desk feel free to pm me.

The biggest issues I find with employees is work attitude and reliability. These days I don't employ anybody who is living with the "folks" and prefer those who have to pay rent or a mortgage. Reason - they have to turn up to work. I have run businesses who employ an agregate of over 500 workers and those that turn up on time every day are by far the minority.

Next is work ethic. Ask 100 people and 100 will say they are great workers but less than 1/3 are when my back is turned for 5 min. Ever wondered why afternoon shift is only 2/3 as productive as day shift on average??? Most of my guys are "unskilled" and trained on the job. The stupid thing is that the top guys earn $1,200 per week by just doing their job however most are lucky to get $700 because they find reasons why they can't be at work etc.

Oh well - I won't be popular (again!) but there's my little rant for the day

Reaper

I'd have to agree with pretty much all you have described.

The other way I employ people here is on reference from current employees. If the current employee is a trusted and good worker then we would be more likely to hire them from recommendation instead of someone walking in off the street or through a formal application. Word of mouth can be suprisingly good sometimes. Word of warning though, resist working with members of family or housemates where you can. Loyalty can cause a few dramas especially if you would be working closely.

[NVE_069]

Some good info from reaper and vystorm. I think the problem with some ppl is thay want alot of money for nothing an if thay dont like it thay quit. which leaves the ones that want the work a bad name. im lookn for work that i can learn from others and also be able to work as a team. nothin like tryn to do everything your self. work in a team and u will always be greatfull. like i have said id be happy with 450 in the hand if its more than its a bonus too me. its just tryn to get the job 1st lol.

Alot of employers expect ppl too be fully skilled which leave ppl like me who really want too learn but cant get the opportunity. plus its not about spelling an the way u speak thats crap. i cant spell very good, u dont need to have a pass in every class to get a job look at alot of the builders half of them didnt even go thro skool. im talkn the ones b4 our generation. like our dads n that.

But alot comes down to the employerr aswell as the employee. All i hate is when employers dont wonna give ya a go an think everybody is fully skilled rr

thats my 2 cents lol

cheers for reading

[Spaced]

I understand where you guys are coming from couple of years ago I didn't have work and couldn't get work. I ended up doing a traineeship in IT. Studied hard and earnt 370/week and I know it sucks but after 11 months of the traineeship got offered my first it contract at 25/hour, don't get that much now because I got a full time job. Govt and private enterprise are always after trainees and apprentices (spelling?) I know the pay sucks at the start but if you get a trade you will never be without a job (unless the country goes into a recession). In QLD I hear about plumbers with major contracts booked up until a few years from now.

Tips for job searchers:

* Get someone to look at your resume
* Shave, get a suit from vinnies (cheap) Iron your shirt
* Be polite and respond positively to questions
* If you drive to a interview, wash your car
* Get registered with job agencies and apprentiship boards they get paid to hire you

just a few tips and keep your head up

[Spaced]

sixshooter, you seem very confident that just a diploma will get you a high paying job. No offence, but if you want high paying, you really need uni. Tafe only teaches you enough of the basics to get by. Why didnt you jst do something like A+ with MSCE? Loads of people looking for MSCE's and the pay is always good.

No offence but,
In the IT sector it is better to have vendor certification and experience than a degree from uni. I have worked with people when I was in retail who had completed IT degrees who couldn't find work. This is because you get paid more if you have done a degree but those jobs are few and far between.

Ask youself if you would hire someone who did well at uni but doesn't have any industry experience? Would just hand of your company to them?

[sixshooter]

sixshooter, you seem very confident that just a diploma will get you a high paying job. No offence, but if you want high paying, you really need uni. Tafe only teaches you enough of the basics to get by. Why didnt you jst do something like A+ with MSCE? Loads of people looking for MSCE's and the pay is always good.
Sorry bud, not trying to get you down, its great to see people re-educating themselves, just saying what i know from working in this area.

Yeah that may be so in some fields... However the qualifications I will obtain if I get through this unscathed will more than get me a foot in the door of employers or uni degree courses. Tafe Diploma's are in fact credited half of a uni degree ! I can in another 12 mths after obtaining the Diploma walk in and say thankyou very much I'll have one of those positions in a Computer Science undergraduate course and only need to complete half of the course to obtain the degree. Thats without having to beat anyone else to the position.

I see what you are trying to say but I know I am headed in the right direction. The Diploma at the end is just a piece of paper. It's the experience that I will gain in programming over the 2 years in doing the Diploma that will the best asset added to my skills base. I have spoken to people who have taken on Computer Science degrees and have dropped them after a year because the weren't prepared enough to deal with it. They couldn't comprehend much of what was tutored because they were just too raw for the IT field. To me that's a waste of time and money racking up a mighty HEC's account and getting nothing in the end when they could have started at the Diploma level and seen what they were getting themselves into.

Btw I abhor A++ any trained monkey can put a computer together ! LOL

Java Sun Certification however is more appealing.

Btw...FYI entry level junior programmers are payed anywhere from $40K and up PA... Systems Analysts get anywhere around $70K PA and up... and Database Administrators earn around $80K and up... either of these jobs could be on the horizon for me in the not too distant future.

If I'm not earning over $50K PA within the next few years I'll be mighty pissed.

Well minux good luck to you with your further studies

I hope you haven't been out of study for too long as it's a fast learning pace these days and so much knowledge is taken for granted as already understood !

[Reaper]

Some good info from reaper and vystorm. I think the problem with some ppl is thay want alot of money for nothing an if thay dont like it thay quit. which leaves the ones that want the work a bad name. im lookn for work that i can learn from others and also be able to work as a team. nothin like tryn to do everything your self. work in a team and u will always be greatfull. like i have said id be happy with 450 in the hand if its more than its a bonus too me. its just tryn to get the job 1st lol.

Alot of employers expect ppl too be fully skilled which leave ppl like me who really want too learn but cant get the opportunity. plus its not about spelling an the way u speak thats crap. i cant spell very good, u dont need to have a pass in every class to get a job look at alot of the builders half of them didnt even go thro skool. im talkn the ones b4 our generation. like our dads n that.

But alot comes down to the employerr aswell as the employee. All i hate is when employers dont wonna give ya a go an think everybody is fully skilled rr

thats my 2 cents lol

cheers for reading

I don't know your industry but maybe start out as a T/A or similar. If you (say) wanted to get into motor mechanics, maybe try for (whatever) job will get you in the door - sweeping floors, fitting tyres, anything so long as the company does whatever it is you want to aim for.

Don't expect them to "teach" you anything. Most of these guys aren't school teachers and frankly don't know how. One way to get around it is to always watch what the others are doing and ask the odd question here and there. It's a fine line between asking questions and being annoying. The key is to watch the good guys and think about what you have seen.

Next, (get yourself established doing whatever you are supposed to be doing extremely well first!!!!) ask if you can give something else a go (eg change brake pads). Just small but usefull stuff and take tiny steps at a time. After a while you will get the confidence of the others and they will love to teach you stuff and you will eventually become the "go too guy" when somebody wants something done.

Don't be impatient. It can take years to get to "guru" level but the satisfaction is far greater than any pay packet (although this does look after itself along the way - trust me on that one!)

Reaper

[NVE_069]

thanks for the info Reaper aprecitate it, yeh atm im after TA,Warehouse,factory work, but im waitn to hear bak about an app on the 31st, like said b4 im not holdn my breath an cant expect to wait on that to work out so im still lookin in the mean time

cheers

[sixshooter]

thanks for the info Reaper aprecitate it, yeh atm im after TA,Warehouse,factory work, but im waitn to hear bak about an app on the 31st, like said b4 im not holdn my breath an cant expect to wait on that to work out so im still lookin in the mean time

cheers

Vt-Berlina... While you are trying to obtain work... you could pass the time with a TAFE 6 month Pre-Vocation training course... you'd learn everything a first year apprentice learns in 6 months... and if you can land an apprenticeship afterwards you will start at the year level 2 in prior recognition of your Pre-Voc course... just some food for thought there !

Employers like skilled workers !!!

[NVE_069]

yeh i have heard about the Pre-Voc course apparantly u need to do one b4 u can work or get work in a mechanic shop? i have tryed to find out about it but the person on the other end of the fone is like yup we will send u out info btu never comes but all in all fingers crossed for the 31st coz if i get in ill be startn 4th next month i was told