Another 'Who Would Win': Commy vs Rice

**shaggerz** · 11-09-2006, 12:27 PM

G'day all. If you hate 'which of these cars would win a drag' threads, then stop reading now.

A mate of mine has just bought an R33 GTS-T (5 speed coupe). He and I will be going to Willowbank some time soon and I am curious as to what times the skyline would run, and whether my Super 6 Calais has a chance. Should be approximately 200rwhp with the 10psi upgrade and exhaust upgrade by then.

I am thinking that it should be fairly evenly matched based on the fact that the power to weight ratio is very slightly better on the skyline, but then theres turbo lag and the fact that its got 25% less torque than the commy.

Would I be right in saying it is down to the driver? or is the gap likely to be larger than I realise?

**BANGERS88** · 11-09-2006, 01:19 PM

the r33 GTS-t, come out standard with 187kw out of the RB25DET, so depending on what else it has done to it it could be more. They handle great imo, so if your putting out 200kw then id say in a straight line you might be in with a shot but around a track id say the nissan would have the edge quite easily as long as he can drive it

. But hey let us know how you go!!

oh and the turbo lag is not that bad on skylines!

**jules** · 11-09-2006, 01:22 PM

he shouldn't get much turbo lag on a racetrack if he knows how to keep the right gear and engine turning

**shaggerz** · 11-09-2006, 01:26 PM

I don't have much faith in his command of the 5 speed and neither does he lol. AFAIK the skyline is unmodified except for wastegate fiddling apparently bringing it to a full time 8psi.

It will only be a quarter mile because I am never going to risk my precious commy to such threatening objects like corners...

**jules** · 11-09-2006, 01:35 PM

sorry i missed you said it was a drag, i was thinking of circuit race for some reason

**Jamie_87** · 11-09-2006, 02:03 PM

according to this website
http://www.skylinegts.co.uk/R33_spec.htm
the r33 gtr rb25dett does 0-100 in 5.3secs and quarter mile in 14 flat... and the r33 gts-t rb25det factory does 0-100 in 6.96sec and 1/4 mile in 14.3...they weigh 1390kg which s what kills em...if u can beat 14sec for the 1/4 i rekon u'd have him ...

running 10psi, id be putting in an intercooler, shift kit and get performance cam...with al that i rekon ud have a chance, just make sure u launch ur car good off the line when u's drag, take off plays a big part!

**sixshooter** · 11-09-2006, 02:34 PM

Hmmm... I reckon you should get him off the line with the excess torque provided you practice launching hard without getting wheelspin...try stalling the auto to around 1500 rpm then ease off the brake get rolling then floor it... stalling to 2000 rpm gets time wasting tire squeal... you'd probably be alright with those rpms with a LSD and stickier tyres though !

You should beat him through 1st gear and through second at the start and he should catch you mid track punching hard into 3rd if his gear changes are any good and then hold you off to the line....thats if you run him stock....(this is my hypothesis)...I can't comment on the worked motor as I haven't experienced those mods... but I've seen rockers, exhaust and 3.4-5 (10 PSI) pulley get low 14's in an untuned VS Calais.

Try runnning your rear tyres a little softer @ 30-2 psi helps traction aswell

**Jamie_87** · 11-09-2006, 03:46 PM

damn i didnt no s/c calais were that quick fairly stock! wouldnt lowering tyre pressure give u more grip but increase resistence ,and give u a higher et for the 1/4? id rather go with wider or stickier rubber, but then i never have wheelspin on take off now with my 235's except when it gets a bit wet, then we have severe traction problems, i onli imagine what it must be like for u guys with s/c v6,lol

**shaggerz** · 12-09-2006, 06:31 AM

Oops forgot to mention I have 235's also. Should give a little bit of improvement.

**totq** · 12-09-2006, 10:29 PM

hahaha...
Shaggerz, it sounds like you're apprehensive about not getting your nose past the finish line first - hence you started this thread.
We don't know what works the rice has had done to it, their weight shouldn't be far off our commies, but they can hall-ass...
Regarding turbo lag, if your mate knows how to take off properly, that is keeping the revs up then there won't be any lag - then you've got a race on your hands, if be backs off and drops the revs just because of a little wheelspin then he's stuffed it - don't tell him that if he doesn't already know.
Some tips - don't have your rear tyre pressure too high, drop it a bit for improve traction, can it run without the air filter just for the drag?
It's hard to foretell who will have a better launch if you don't have a stalled gearbox.
It sounds like both cars are pretty well match in capability and so my prediction is, thru experience of me mates many years ago, he who loves his car less has more chance of winning - that is if you love your car more you tend not to thrash it or take it to its limits.

Let us know when yous are going, if free i might go down for a sneaky-beek and definitely a good laugh.
Good to see different cars slug it out and more importantly on a proper track and not like w@nkers on the road.
GO THE COMMY!

**shaggerz** · 13-09-2006, 07:34 AM

lol mate you are right... there is a little tension in this race because when my mate was looking at buying a car I had him convinced to buy a commy for quite some time... then at the last minute he changed his mind and bought the R33... I want to make it clear that he made the wrong choice

We don't know what works the rice has had done to it

I refer you to post #4:

AFAIK the skyline is unmodified except for wastegate fiddling apparently bringing it to a full time 8psi.

**totq** · 13-09-2006, 10:11 AM

hahaha, in that case you'd better beat him or I'll join him in baggin' ya!

**Bax** · 13-09-2006, 10:29 AM

Should beat him if the only mod he has is the wastegate mods. He won't have any lag except for a tiny tiny little bit during gear changes, and that can even be avoided to an extent if he's quick and the revs can stay up.. rev it out a bit more..

but like i said, if you've got 200rwkw and he's only got a stocko engine with 8psi, its all yours for the taking.

wait until he ups his boost and gets a few other bits and pieces and then it'll be evened out a touch.

**shaggerz** · 13-09-2006, 10:31 AM

Bax: Thats only 200rwhp not kilowatts.

**Bax** · 13-09-2006, 10:34 AM

ah my bad, 200kw at the fly..

I still think you'll take him. r33's are fat and ugly, should have told him to get a 32gtr or a 34gts-t if he was going to get a skyline!

oh well.. when do you plan on racing?

**totq** · 13-09-2006, 10:36 AM

shaggerz, like i said earlier, in this race, "it's not the size of the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog..."

give your commy a good hard caning and you'll be right.

for everyone, here's a good site to bookmark for a quick reference of power and other unit conversions :

http://www.surefloexhaust.com.au/converter.htm

**shaggerz** · 13-09-2006, 10:38 AM

lol if there is interest in coming to watch then when we pick a date I will post it up. No idea yet. He needed to replace his clutch and I still need to get the 10psi pulley so we haven't settled on a date.

and totq I have no hesitation in booting the crap out of the commy

EDIT: 200fwkw may be a little optimistic. Its only based on results of others with similar mods on this engine.

**totq** · 13-09-2006, 10:39 AM

refer post #16

**totq** · 13-09-2006, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by shaggerz

lol if there is interest in coming to watch then when we pick a date I will post it up. No idea yet. He needed to replace his clutch and I still need to get the 10psi pulley so we haven't settled on a date.

and totq I have no hesitation in booting the crap out of the commy

EDIT: 200fwkw may be a little optimistic. Its only based on results of others with similar mods on this engine.

sounds like a really good reason for a cruise day!
how's this for an idea, we arrange a cruise for us commy boys and some other skylines on say, a sunday at the beginning of November.
must be a sunday for me....

**calais_cruzin** · 13-09-2006, 12:49 PM

Ino how u can make sure u definatly win....

Inspect his tryes b4 the race n when he's not lookin spray them with sum sort of lubricant or just pour sum oil on there for him....

U will definatly take the win if u done this....

Only a suggestion for a sly win....hehehehe

**Bax** · 13-09-2006, 04:19 PM

Thats only if you want him to crash mid track into the barriers.

**AirStrike** · 13-09-2006, 04:39 PM

Just try and do some sneaky stuff to make sure you win. Remove the spare, jack, any other shit you dont need (tools, melways, etc). Pull the filter out. Run some 98RON and some octane booster. Basically anything you can think of.
AirStrike

**RVN 355** · 13-09-2006, 08:15 PM

Airstrike crap like that wont make stuff all difference, small margin but it wont a take a full second over 1/4 mile times...

BLOWN ECOTEC 171KW stock - 187kw out of the RB25DET, skyline will beat you around corners and on the track specifially due to suspesnion and chassis deisgn aspects but the VS SC should win on the 1/4 due to the pully upgrade.

Best way is to take it to ur local track,drag strip the skyline is pretty much same as the commy heavy and got a big boot so see what happens

**Stupa** · 13-09-2006, 09:11 PM

Other useles and heavy items: Rear seat, passenger seat, parcel shelf, dash, and so on

**sixshooter** · 13-09-2006, 09:53 PM

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