Multiculture countires does it work?

[calais_304]

Talking with people at work today about societys being multiculture and if it works or not, we came to the conclusion that it doesn't work due to differant beliefs and ways of doing things which causes trouble within the community and how it is somewhat forced apon us to make it work.
what's everyones opinion? does it work or are we going out everyday with a fake smile on.

[angelo.vs]

How can you come to a conclusion that it doesnt work when countries like America and Australia are obviously multicultural?!

Unless of course you think that the above mentioned are piss weak countries with a shitty economy...

[calais_304]

How can you come to a conclusion that it doesnt work when countries like America and Australia are obviously multicultural?!

Unless of course you think that the above mentioned are piss weak countries with a shitty economy...

just from what my ears hear daily people are very racist but it's all done under breath, if that makes sence.
like i said before people go out into sociecty with a fake smile on, but completly differant behind doors.
i know theres one culture i hate with a passion but thats as far as i'll go here.

[minux]

just from what my ears hear daily people are very racist but it's all done under breath, if that makes sence.
like i said before people go out into sociecty with a fake smile on, but completly differant behind doors.
i know theres one culture i hate with a passion but thats as far as i'll go here.

I will be honest, i hate that people can come here and try to enforce their beliefs on our country, i hate how people come here and do not learn english. I hate how people come here and attack us because we are australian. I hate people who bring drugs into this great country

For anyone out there who falls under this category...

This is not your country F**K OFF

As far as everyone else not in that area, welcome to australia, one of the best countries in the world.

*prepares for flames*

[Julie]

Without elaborating and getting myself banned from this site I think multiculturalism is a bad thing, and its going to be our countries undoing Letting in people from all over the world, people who have different attitudes and beliefs that go against the aussie way, and our laws. Not all cultures, just some, we oughta be more select about who we let on our shores.

[253@7k]

There are both advantages and disadvantages. Think about it, if we were classed as non-muticultural what would that do for our tourisim industry? Who would want to come to Australia if they felt alienated by the locals? On the other hand multiculturalism has created antisocial racial tension in some of our communities through people coming to our country and abusing our culture and way of life.

Over all though I believe that the positives outweigh the negative and we have become a better country because of it.

[Kenster84]

multiculture should be allow no matter what race or reglion you believe it cause if you think people who claim themself as Aussie should take a look at our the history before saying anything ridcilous with the concusion it wouldnt work.

The country worked with other culture otherwise where everyone get to try new things and experince also learn new thing from each other. If other countries deicded to go they dont need anymore Aussie going into they country im sure you would feel mad, should take a look from they view before saying like that. There are Australian who imgrants to other countires to live as well people coming to Australia to live, so i dont see the point for racist comment or childish behaviour

[Troy711]

let this be a warning to everyone... keep this thread cival and on topic. if anyone tries to start trouble, or starts making racist remarks you can consider yourself removed from this site. if you have a problem with this, take it up with garth, darren or airstrike.

think before you post, if you dont think you have written something thats sensible DO NOT POST IT.


thank you

[Julie]

For me I don't think its a case of racism, moreso realism. I'm happy to have people immigrate to Australia, if they are willing to assimilate. If they want to come here and disobey our laws and try to enforce their beliefs upon us like minux said then they are not welcome.

Fact is that some cultures assimilate better than others, some peoples religions are in contradiction to our Australian laws and our way of life. The way some cultures treat women for example, with views so radically different from what is acceptable here. Its plain dangerous to let these people into the country. I'm not making this up off the top of my head either, if you do your reasearch I'm sure you'll find cases where certain young men of a certain background have escaped gaol time for sexual offences because 'its oks in their culture'.

If I were to immigrate to another country I would respect their laws and beliefs, just like they should here. I wouldn't walk down the street of a muslim country wearing a bikini for example.

Basically it all comes down to that age old saying "When in Rome do as the Romans do" but unfortunately some people would rather try to invade and conquer Rome rather than change their ways.

[padrickz88]

i agree with kenster84, people should think about how they would feel if the same think was being done to them,

If they want to come here and disobey our laws and try to enforce their beliefs upon us like minux said then they are not welcome.

why do people automaticually believe people who come here are going to start trouble? ok you will get your d*ckheads in what ever nationality it is but seriously the last thing i worry about it people coming here is commiting crime because USUALLY they want to make a better life for themselves, but like i said you do get the d*ckheads, just like people who are born here(aussies) no matter of what their background is. im aussie so i hope people dont think im baggin everyone here and starting a fight but i seriously hate it when one of my mates is looked at strangly and called names just because he/she is of a different religion or race. as for people coming here and putting our religion and beliefes onto us, i personally dont mind if they ask me about it but if they are constantly on my door step like people we aleady have here THEEEEEEN i will want to boot them in the ass, but if they ask me about my religion and if i would ever change then i will answer there questions, but if its an everyday think like i said aboce then i will get angry. as for changing for this country wellll this country wouldnt be what it is now if every person that came here changed their ways to the same of the the people already in the country. if we ate the same, looked the same, spoke the same and all the rest then we would not have ant take away food really if you think about it because everything would of came from everywhere, our clothing styles must of came from somewere? and if they are supposed to do that then why did we not live the way that the aboriginal people did? we seriously cant expect the world to stay the same and some of the best countries in the world are Multicultural so come on people im not having a go at any body but seriously put your self in other people's shoes and another thing im all for bringing people into this country just aslong as there not on the dole from the day they come in. because seriously my top 10 mates backgrounds are not australian and to be honest they are some of the best people i have ever met in my life. so just remember you have your good and bad people in all nationalities.

sorry for the long post and i know i may have repeated my self like 100 times but i hate it when people get excluded because of there race/religion.... thanks

[greenfoam]

If it doesn't work why are all the multicultural nations in the top few most successful countries in the world ?, USA, England, Australia even Malaysia. If I had to live in an Australia that lived on steak and peas like when I was a kid I'd cry

[Christina]

i don't beleive people will ever fully 'intergrate', im not trying to be rude or racist TO ANYONE, sorry, i really dont mean to offend anyone but i agree with the original post.

it's good that the government is starting to take a stand on immigration laws... sure, everyone deserves the chance to come here and start a better life, but if they've never lived here before or have come from a country that is used to war/violence and what not, will they ever fully intergrate into "normal" society (im not trying to sound like everyone has had a cruel background, but it is still a possibility, eg, the recent conflict in lebanon/refugees from lebenon), if you're used of violence and terror, will it show in their actions?...?...? many possibilities. many. there may also be no problems, do they pose a risk to citizens? who knows... really.
..i also think the english test is a must, what use is it being in australia if you can't speak the lanuage, how will they ever intergrate to begin with?... are people just using up centrelink? how can you communicate with australia if you can't speak the language.

i've seen alot of my non-australian born friends spitting at aussie flags (mainly when the war protests etc were on) and ridiculing the way australia is run, that truly brings it down for everyone else in their posistion. why come here if you have so much against australia? religion is also another strong factor here, you can't stop a person beleiving what they beleive and this can also pose problems with people who they may and may not associate with.

and thats my useless 2 cents... but dont get me wrong, everyone is different and i have alot of non-aussie friends who are cool as. it's always going to be different for every situation.

[Kenster84]

honestly this topic is starting to be too political and who is to say who shouldnt go to where and etc, if Australia claim themself to be a free country than stop with all this nonsence , everyone is different inividually whether they are a different race or not. Every place has some trouble markers its not like labelling the natinality is the way to go.

[padrickz88]

honestly this topic is starting to be too political and who is to say who shouldnt go to where and etc, if Australia claim themself to be a free country than stop with all this nonsence , everyone is different inividually whether they are a different race or not. Every place has some trouble markers its not like labelling the natinality is the way to go.

agreed!!!!!!!

[smokey_dj]

im aussie english or as i call mysel - native convict : p

ive got to admit im not racist you cut me off in a car or something doesnt matter if your white green yello black purle your gonna cop the same abuse

but ask me for help with something and im not gonna discriminate just cause of what you look like or colour you are

i will admit some cultures are more aggressive than others and im not going to start naming them but i will say that i know at least 1 person from every culture and i would happly get to know more theres no discrimination made by decent ppl who can see throuh someones outer to there inner and through there bullshit

just cause your white or black (not meaning to cut anyone out) doesnt mean your as agreesive or honest or loving careing easy to get alone with humours as anyone else on this planet.

why do some hate others is it there looks jelousy family pasts or just becuase there bought up in a society that cant handle the mix we are very lucky as australians to be able to dust it off with a beer in the pub after some tention most of the time yes there will be flares of action once in a while but the real deal will shine through

[Doubleshadow]

Multi-culturism is great. And that is because each of us contribute to the greater good of the population. Sure, we contribute to the greater bad, but that applies to everoyne. Do you realize if Hitler was not a racist ********, he would have gotten the first nuclear bomb. Einstein was born in Vienna. And it was the Nazis that influenced his relocation to America. By a simple oops, we could all be communicating in German now.

Here is the problem with multiculturism, people try to deny who they are, and it comes out in negative ways. The truth is that most of us are partial to those who are most like us. That in itself is not racist, but it is preferential, and that is human. We force people not to make ethnic jokes, cause we take ourselves too seriously. My friends make Black American jokes all the time with me...and its no big deal. I make white Aussies jokes with them also.
We are way too uptight and if we have to walk around each other holding back what we are inside, then we will never have true integration. People miss the big picture. It is not our Australian-ism, or English...American-ism that defines us, but our humanity. And that humanity is sometimes flawed. And although we are not perfect, we are forced to act like we are. Please, just be who you are....simply because there is no one else you can be. I have great faith in people....with some exceptions, most of us will get along well.

[maxy0987]

I think this is aimed at the people who choose not to integrate with the rest of the australian people.

See in the long term it will all work ok, we get people of type A mix with peopke of type B and their kids will grow up as types AB's, then as their kids grow up they will ABC's etc etc, and eventually everyone will be a big old mix of everything, that's a long way away though.
The problem comes, when you have a group of type A people only mixing with type A people and forcing their kids to only hang around with type A people because of the schools they enrol them in, the activities they allow them to do etc etc, then as the child grows up they are still a type A, and chances are their kids will be more type A than a type B (just the nature of the beast).

So what im trying to say is eventually everyone will even out as people from all types of backgrouns integrate with society, the real problem we have however is when we allow groups of people to hide away in their own schools and activities where they arent exposed to the wider population because then its a mini country within australia

[Doubleshadow]

Integration is a complicated psychology. It takes a certain maturity in a differing culture. Let’s take the European culture, for instance. They conquered most of the world and then forced their way of life on existing cultures. In time, they grew into mostly a mature culture and became comfortable with other cultures after some major injustices imposed on the minority cultures. But understand, they did not open up their culture until they were ready.

The bottom line is there are some people in some cultures that are not yet ready to integrate. In some cases, their psychology is not yet at that stage. And although there are complications with grave consequences with some cultures, we need to give them some room. I know what you are thinking – if they are not ready for integration, they shouldn’t come to Australia. That would be a logical conclusion, but if you look at a parallel paradigm based on the same reasoning, no one would be in Australia but the Aboriginees.

[maxy0987]

but if you look at a parallel paradigm based on the same reasoning, no one would be in Australia but the Aboriginees.

not really, they came here because they wanted to settle and expand into new lands, taking on whatever was here and calling it their own.
Now obviously at the time they didnt know wtf was here and didnt find out till they got here, whereas people coming from overseas now know whats here, and what happens. And i can bet money on the fact that most come because others in Type A say, 'yeah its great, there is a really close TypeA community in this suburb'.
Its why we get clans of them in suburbs and moving in phases, for example footscray in vic was once asians, now they are moving on and its a lot of africans.
I dont know where all the asians went (probably Box Hill), but either way i guess they are becoming slightly more integrated.

[maxy0987]

In time, they grew into mostly a mature culture and became comfortable with other cultures after some major injustices imposed on the minority cultures. But understand, they did not open up their culture until they were ready.

I dont get what you mean here, do you mean that australia will open up our culture when we're ready? or that subcultures will open up and integrate into australia when they are ready? (if its option B then yes, i agree and its what i said earlier to an extent)

It just frustrates me when people come here, have kids, yet refuse to let them go to school in a mixed environment as if all the other kids have aids or something, sheesh.

[minux]

I dont get what you mean here, do you mean that australia will open up our culture when we're ready? or that subcultures will open up and integrate into australia when they are ready? (if its option B then yes, i agree and its what i said earlier to an extent)

It just frustrates me when people come here, have kids, yet refuse to let them go to school in a mixed environment as if all the other kids have aids or something, sheesh.

or when they come here and demand children not be taught about christmas, or wanting to ban christians wearing crosses or to not teahc about past wars australia has fought or how learning music is evil or how bacon cannot be served in some stores...the list goes on and on and on
Sorry but i am sick to bloody death have having things changed to suit immigrants who come to australia...it's time people stood up and said enough is enough. Bring on the extensive english exams, bring on common knowledge exams, if these people who come here don't like it, then they can get f'd.

P.S: If any of the ****wit lebanese idiots at bass hill plaza on thursday night whose exact words were to my work partner " you aussie bitch deserve to be raped and slaughtered like a pig" i seriously hope you get the bullets you deserve between your forehead...ffs cant even walk around in our country without being singled out and abused for being ****ing AUSTRALIAN

[NOGEN 3]

Nah, I'm not getting involved in this 1....

[Doubleshadow]

not really, they came here because they wanted to settle and expand into new lands, taking on whatever was here and calling it their own.
Now obviously at the time they didnt know wtf was here and didnt find out till they got here, whereas people coming from overseas now know whats here, and what happens. And i can bet money on the fact that most come because others in Type A say, 'yeah its great, there is a really close TypeA community in this suburb'.
Its why we get clans of them in suburbs and moving in phases, for example footscray in vic was once asians, now they are moving on and its a lot of africans.
I dont know where all the asians went (probably Box Hill), but either way i guess they are becoming slightly more integrated.

Actually, I think most people relocate, not because they want to be elsewhere, but because they have ascertained they cannot live in their home country. In other words, they love and preserve their culture, but for one reason or another they cannot do it as they wish in their own country. Thus when they come to Australia, many of them try to Australian-ize their culture. Take pork fried rice, for instance. It is something most people recognize as chinese in origin, but that has become a part of the regular culture.

The reason why people get into clans, it is because they feel most secure in those areas. They are scared to venture into the unknown. And when pressed to integrate, they retreat even farther into their clannishness. However, as both cultures feel more comfortable with each other, the boundaries will begin to blur into one entity and parts of each culture will marry into each other. Sounds like procreation, and in a way it is. It is like each culture having a baby...and the child of that union will be of mixed genetics from both culture. The end result is that the face of Australia will be take on a duality which makes it richer in its diversity. The character of a nation is not how it deals with its customs, but how it rises above its norms, to accept good things, that is non-traditional to its culture.

[Doubleshadow]

I dont get what you mean here, do you mean that australia will open up our culture when we're ready? or that subcultures will open up and integrate into australia when they are ready? (if its option B then yes, i agree and its what i said earlier to an extent)

It just frustrates me when people come here, have kids, yet refuse to let them go to school in a mixed environment as if all the other kids have aids or something, sheesh.

Actuality, there is a duality in meaning. Firstly, it implies that Australia opened up its culture when it felt comfortable to do so. Previously, Australian culture forced other cultures to bend to its values, like the Aborigines. Secondly, as it applies to other cultures, they have to also feel comfortable to integrate into Australian culture. But the problem becomes when they feel like they are being forced to to accept things they don't agree with.

I do not believe disagreements are bad, necessarily. It is a recognition that we are multi-faceted creatures. And when we start shouting at each other, that is when the problem gets murky because each opposing party becomes beligerant in their position. In a democracy, which Australia is, there is the concept of majority rules, but that does not mean mob rule. Just like society has a myriad of professions (police, Fire Service, Mechanics, Teachers...), there is a diversity in beliefs and customs. I believe that we can absorb any culture without demanding they eradicate their core fundamentals. The idea that we all have to agree to co-exist is not something I prescribe to. Sure, others will scream that some core Australian traditions be eradicated. And although it is tempting to scream back, in return, it does not solve the underlying problem. When both party are screaming at each other, a major part of communication is threatened....listening. What is so revolutionary about differences co-existing side by side? Heck, what is so radical about differences merging into one identity? We simply underestimate the surreal understanding of the human spirit, especially our own.

[maxy0987]

you're pissing into the wind mate, nothing you've said is news to anyone and everyone feels the same way. Having different cultures is fine, and when they are ready to integrate it is good that they do so, however the problem arises when they lock themselves down. I understand why they do it, but it doesnt mean it's a productive way to be.