Creation vs Evolution
don't wanna see another thread go down so bring it here people.
personally i believe that earth was created in the big bang, things evolved over the years and we have come to this stage and we'll continue to evolve untill we either wipe ourselves out or become very intelligent
at the same time i am a christian but just can't justify the way the bible states it, also earth has been around a hell of aot longer then the human race, we humans are only new to this great planet.
anyway i've had my spiel, go hard.
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im far from religeous but i do respect other peoples thoughts on how the earth came to be, im leaning more towards the evolution just because it seems to make more sense. but there still has to be a beginning, the world or earth didnt just "exist" forever, i have no idea how it all started but am very curious... as much as scientists and the like say they know or are on the way to knowing how it all began, thats bullsh1t... they will never know! even if they did get the right answer they would never be able to suficiently prove it,
Going where no late model stato/caprice has gone before.... GAME ON!!
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oh and as for becoming intelligent or wiping ourselves out i really dont care about that much because that will be a long time after ive left this world, alot of people say to me how can i think that what about my future generations but i cant see much changing in the next 6 or 7 gererations... how well did u know your great great great great great great grandparents??? do you really think they gave a sh1t about you? dont think so
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Originally Posted by calais_304
Oh yeah. You are a Christian? Gah right... You ain't much of a Christian seeing you don't trust God completely from what is in the Bible.
Oh, and God warns Christian's in the Bible about false teachers and stuff, like yourself.
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I respect other peoples beliefs as well and expect them to give the same respect back.
For me personally I lean towards evolution, while there are holes in the big bang theory and Charles Darwin's theory for mine I find there are more holes in the God created the whole universe angle, where do cavemen, dinosaurs, etc fit in to the created universe equation if Adam and Eve were the first people on earth ?
If ignorance is bliss why aren't there more happy people around ?
We know what's going to happen to this thread when a few certain members come and join in, which is a shameEDIT: It's begun
Personally I don't believe in religion. I believe there has to have been something though, although I believe in Evolution it has to have started somewhere, somehow and we may never know the answer to that.
I think of religion as being created as a way to control people and nothing more. Look at how scary the bible is for example, saying God will do this and God will do that, he flooded the Earth and will do it again unless you commit yourself. Recall Jesus not saying to make a religion out of him anyway, he was Jewish after all.. Don't get me started
Something to point out though the Old Testament is based on Jewish scrolls I believe, and the new one is the one based on supposedly factual accounts.. so Adam and Eve were just examples. I'm the type who can't follow something blindly, I don't think I'll ever get religion
EDIT 2:
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Creationism
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Evolution
Lighten up a bit, both sides
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the big bang... ah year 10 science...
boringggg... thankfully i don't do science anymore.
Last edited by Christina; 24-11-2006 at 12:15 PM.
Aint no family cruiser!!!
yeh it is lets keep this from being ANOTHER religion slagging match ok, if you cant control yourself dont post
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Actually God promised after the great flood he would never do it again!
My bad, sorry.. I'm not as learned as I should be on the bible to talk about it so I'll shutup lolActually God promised after the great flood he would never do it again!
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Don't quote me on this, but there are very few scientists left who actually continually pursue the Big Bang theory.
But don't quote me, it's something I read quite a while back and I may be thinking of something else.
Evolution, to me does NOT make as much sense as Creation.
Think about it for a second:
There are BILLIONS of systems and elements in this universe which keep it running. All kinds of chemical reactions, electrical and mechanical (yes, mechanical) functions are running just to keep your body alive at this very moment. To try to simplify the concept of life (which is what Evolution strives to do) is to ignore the reality of what life is.
Life is nothing short of a miracle, and Evolutionists trivialise it by saying "cold blooded dinosaurs turned into warm-blooded birds".
I've already mentioned how the mechanics of flight are one of the hardest hitting blows against evolution. If anything, evolution would be AGAINST creatures developing the ability to fly because those 'weird looking, apparently useless appendages' that would have had to have evolved would be removed pretty quickly BECAUSE they were apparently useless.
Keep in mind that the cells in your body are mindless. They have very few duties to perform, and they do it. All the muscle cells in the wings of birds have no idea what they're doing, they're just living and performing their duties - it is the mind of the bird which makes it fly.
The same concept applies to evolution developing ANY part of your body - all your internal organs, your muscles, skin, digestive system, blood, hair, etc. The cells can't think for themselves, so how can they figure out what needs to be done?
Evolution ignores the fact that a living being is NOT just a big blob, it is a big blob composed of thousands of systems, thousands of different types of cells, and billions of those cells.
What about venomous creatures such as spiders and snakes? How did they develop the ability to not only figure out there's such things as poisons, but how to produce the poisons within their own bodies, and store them without poisoning themselves?
What about males and females? How did for the majority of warm and cold blooded creatures on the planet, they develop TWO essentially separate species which are sexually compatible? Again, a question that evolution defies and will never answer.
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When I look at people or simply leaves on a tree, I cannot possibly think how these things could have made themselves over a million or billion years. Evolution to me means extremely impossible. There is no possible way the workings of the universe and living things could have just made themselves from dust. I find it quite funny how people think like this. And evolution garbage is mainly the media's fault as they are always pushing it and telling the viewer how everything came about and the viewer ends up believing it. One by one, follow the leader...
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Oh and when Jesus was around, although all the miracles he performed as said in the Bible, there were still many that spat on him and rejected him. The same goes for evolution verses Creation. If Christians found Noah's ark and it was dead proof to be the actual ark of Noah, there would still be people believing in evolution. People are extremely stiff to realise the facts are right in front of you now.
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This is your belief and I respect that but as adults we have a choice on what we believe or don't believe in regards to what we see and hear
The mainstream media is not set-up for free speech anymore, as an example you have the two main newspapers in Melbourne, one is pro-Liberal, one pro-Labour so you'll always get a skewed perspective on certain issues depending on the newspaper you read
If someone can prove to me beyond doubt that things such as Noah's Ark existed i may begin to question my beliefs about the creation of the earth but for now I still believe in evoltion, no matter how many other people with other beliefs question my beliefs or consider me as a sheep, etc...
If ignorance is bliss why aren't there more happy people around ?
Religious people - let's assume for a moment that religion didn't exist in this day and age, that the accounts documented in the Bible and Dead Sea Scrolls and other religious publications, imagine they were never published and these religions died with those people.
What would you believe then? Would you believe in anything? If Evolution was the only explanation would you accept it or deny it flat out?
Yes there are a lot of systems in the human body and they all work amazingly well. If it's all the work of God how come people are born with intellectual disability and other things like missing limbs or conditions causing them to only live for a few years?
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Spoon, even if someone took you to see Noah's Ark, you would choose not to believe. The same goes for EVERYONE who chooses not to believe in God or Creation - no matter how much proof they're given, they reject it because they simply don't want to accept the existance of God because that would mean they're wrong and people don't like being wrong.
On the flip side, seeing people who have become Christians and who've had their lives turned around and in turn turned their families' lives around is one of the coolest things ever.
Probably a monday job or late friday arvo, gods got a weekend to look forward to as well
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I don't know what I would believe. I'm not going to try and guess.
Please see the earliest portions of Genesis where man sins and God says "Well now you get to suffer with labour, heat, thorns and diseases, etc." I'm not going to reinvent the wheel, but we get diseases and suffering because Adam and Eve both sinned.
Hah, now that you bring up intellectual disabilities, I'll bring up Downs Syndrome.
Downs Syndrome is caused by the child having an EXTRA chromosome.
Did you also know that animals with different amounts of chromosomes cannot interbreed? So not only, if by some freak of Evolution nature, someone gets an extra chromosome, then they get Downs syndrome and they can't reproduce anyway.
If I had proof I would believe. So far there's nothing to prove either thing for me, so if something came along and everyone agreed it was the real deal I would too, but until then what proof is there?
Simple fact is there's no 100% true proof for either side, and even if there was people from the other side would try to disprove it and there would never be an agreement
Are you telling me that 230 -> 500 million Buddhists are completely wrong?
Too much is not enuff!
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Actually God promised after the great flood he would never do it again!
Let's play fair. He said he was not going to destroy the world by flood anymore. He didn't address the BBQ destruction
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i swear your an extrimist, seriously i have never heard anyone go on about christianity as much as you do, im christian but im open minded at the same time and can accept science, by the way one reason why i have my doubt with my own religion is because there is no true bible it self, it's many scriptures compiled into a book, also because back in those times alot of exagurating went on and things were changed because of beliefs of the kings/rulers, no-one knows even if the bible is true.
btw from birth to now i have only knowen 1 religion, i went to a catholic school, in my younger days i had to go to church every sunday hell i even had to go to sunday school, so i don't know where you get off sayin im not christian because i know nothing else but this religion, some of us are intelligent enough though to work out whats a bit far fetched and what could be true....ie i don't believe a man split an ocean and crossed it because they were being chased.
also why did god stop giving a shit about us in the last 2000 years?
The short,chunky fella
In this statement you make the assumption that people start to believe what they are told and then you quote in your next post "Oh and when Jesus was around, although all the miracles he performed as said in the Bible," Were you around when Jesus performed these miracles? No, so you in effect are believing what you are reading (which is your right of course as an individual)! which is just same the thing you are rubbishing people for in your previous post but of course the method of delivery is different.
Personally I'm an evolutionist,according to the bible god created the earth then created Man and Woman,so how are dinosaurs explained (to which there is physical evidence) when they pre-date humans by a few million years?
Lizards on Galapogos islands......Same lizards that can be found elsewhere on the planet but they have developed the ability to take to the water and swim,something other the other lizards don't do, the necessity of survival has forced them to adapt and evolve otherwise there wouldn't be any lizards on these isolated islands.
Not flaming,just expressing my opinion, which I'm entitled to have.
Last edited by Holden2gether; 24-11-2006 at 01:23 PM.
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Spoon, even if someone took you to see Noah's Ark, you would choose not to believe. The same goes for EVERYONE who chooses not to believe in God or Creation - no matter how much proof they're given, they reject it because they simply don't want to accept the existance of God because that would mean they're wrong and people don't like being wrong.
On the flip side, seeing people who have become Christians and who've had their lives turned around and in turn turned their families' lives around is one of the coolest things ever.
Who are you to say what I would believe or not believe something I saw ?
If I am wrong on any subject and I am proved wrong beyond doubt then I'll gladly apologize but when the other side offers only 'dubious proof' then I'll stand by my beliefs
Just because I don't believe in your intepretion of God doesn't make me any different from anyone else in this world
As for people becoming better people after becoming Christian this isn't always the case as I witnessed my schizophrenic boss a few years ago change from a calm and stable person (taking medication everyday) to me having to call the police and CAT team in because he was threatening us with an ax because the 'church' he was going to told him he didn't need medication anymore. He stopped taking it and flipped out big time, sadly he has since continued to be in and out of psych wards ever since but still believes he doesn't need medication.
On the other hand I have a lot of friends with different faiths and we all accept each others beliefs
As for evolution not being possible you may wish to check out the the Hawthorn Fly as one small example of evolution at work
Did you also know that animals with different amounts of chromosomes cannot interbreed? So not only, if by some freak of Evolution nature, someone gets an extra chromosome, then they get Downs syndrome and they can't reproduce anyway.
Not so, there are cases of people with Downs Syndrome having children, in fact some have had perfectly normal offspring
Last edited by crazyspoon05; 24-11-2006 at 01:40 PM.
If ignorance is bliss why aren't there more happy people around ?
Actually God promised after the great flood he would never do it again!
But wait a second.. what about:
- The Shaanxi earthquake in 1856 that killed ~830,000 people?
- Indian Ocean earthquake & tsunamis outside Indonesia in 2004 that killed ~287,000 people?
- Mount Tambora Volcano eruption in Indonesia in 1815 that killed ~92,000 people?
- European heatwave of 2003 that killed 35,000 people?
- Bhola cyclone of 1970 that killed 500,000 people?
And let's not forget the 1931 Huang He flood in 1931 that killed between 1 - 3.7 million people!
also don't forget all the ones that hit japan each year (god must hate them
also a tadpole going to a frog is a living breathing example of evolution.
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