One strike plan for NSW P Platers

[minux]

P-platers would be given no demerit points for their first year of driving in a one-strike plan being considered by the NSW government.
The NRMA proposal would mean that any breach or offence that currently attracts a deduction in demerit points would lead to the automatic loss of a licence for three months.
News Ltd newspapers say the plan will be taken to the Young Driver Advisory Panel when it meets again today.
The plan is seen as an alternative to the calls for curfews and passenger restrictions following an increase in p-plate deaths over the past year.
"Restrictions don't stop the bad attitude, and our research shows that attitude is the key problem as well as a lack of skills," NRMA president Alan Evans told News Ltd.
"This would send a clear message."

Personally, i do not think it is a bad idea, but not 0 points, should be 3 points.

I doubt it will stop people killing themselves though, only government funded driver education will fix that. However that will cost money, so it will never happen.

[burnz]

i think the p platers are getting a raw deal
lets face it p for one year then blacks 12 point..
now it's a lot longer

just out of curiosity how many first year full licence die
back in the 80's for wich green p's didnt exist

p plater are on their p's for twice as long but statatition's dont count that!

[89vncommy]

What a joke... Yes, look back in time.. P plate deaths were not as high and the laws were more relaxed ... I don't see how this is going to help...

I agree with restrictions on cars (works well with motorbikes)
I think the Red and Green P's is a good idea...
Passenger restrictions are a little over the top, but I can see why they are in place...

But yes, more money needs to be spent on driver education... Why don't the government put more funding into a subsidy for advanced driver training, instead of spending more cash on speed cameras, RBT's and double demerit weekends...

Fix the root cause first, then come back and see if all the extra stuff is needed... But just my 2c

[vt1538]

I believe that a drivers license is a privilege not a right. With this in mind if you want to flaunt the rules that privilege should be taken away from you. However removing a license for the first offence will only increase the amount of people who will run from a police vehicle to prevent the license loss.

[calais_304]

Why would the government go to all the effort to set up driver ed places, it would cost heaps, why would they do that when it's far more simpler to just get the cops to take time out of their far more importent issues, and go hold a lazer gun or sit in a forby all day, instead of wasting money on non importent issues (ie driver ed) they can just go and make money, and leave clueless idiots to think up ways to stop p platers killing themselves.
god i love how our governments all for the people

[daron]

education is the only answer
training will help cut toll but idiots will always be out there and think they wont get hurt
yes i like the small motor no turbos/v8s for p platers but ya can still kill in a 4c

[minux]

i think the p platers are getting a raw deal
lets face it p for one year then blacks 12 point..
now it's a lot longer

just out of curiosity how many first year full licence die
back in the 80's for wich green p's didnt exist

p plater are on their p's for twice as long but statatition's dont count that!

Thats because people then repsected road rules, valued their licence. Now people think speeding at 60+ over the limit is funny, people think doing burnouts in crowds is entertainment.

The mentality of younger people now is just a joke. Most 18-20 year olds i come across have as much maturity as a 10 year old kid.

[Christina]

that's a bit of a joke....
you only get 4 demerits anyway and most fines are 3, so drive around without p plates and that's your licence gone.


we can either drive around doing 140, or drive around doing 10kms over, we'd all cop the same thing with 0 demerits, bit uneven in my opinion

but it won't affect me, so i'm not worried

but if you're doing the right thing, why worry?

[calais_304]

just thinking some more on this, a mate of mine just got his licence a couple of weeks ago now he's been driving around for the last couple of years (always thought he had it) anyway i asked him why he never got it sooner and his response was, "well if i had my licence i would of had something to loose so i never got it", (and he did get caught driving around with no licence on more then one occasion).
so anyway this got me thinking, do you think more people wouldn't worry about getting their licence and just drive around anyway...seeing as they have no points to begin with, some would see getting a licence a waste of time...your thoughts?

[calais_304]

but if you're doing the right thing, why worry?

did you know it's illegal to drive with anypart of your body outside of the car, now say your driving along on a hot day, you have your windows down with your elbow resting on the door...a cop can actually fine you for doing this if he/she wanted to and am pretty sure thats 1 point.

there alot of things you can get done for that you would never have thought, hows this, you buy a brand new commo (say a SS with 17's..), 10k's down the road you get a flat, you pull your 15in spare outta the boot(cuz thats what they give you) to get it another 10k's down the road to have it repaired....if a cop were to see you and wanted to be an ass he could also fine you for this as well, for having to differant sized rims on an axel.

[stocky]

did you know it's illegal to drive with anypart of your body outside of the car, now say your driving along on a hot day, you have your windows down with your elbow resting on the door...a cop can actually fine you for doing this if he/she wanted to and am pretty sure thats 1 point.

pretty sure you can. from what ive been told you cant extend a body part further than the width of the car, which would be the side mirrors

[burnz]

Thats because people then repsected road rules, valued their licence. Now people think speeding at 60+ over the limit is funny, people think doing burnouts in crowds is entertainment.

The mentality of younger people now is just a joke. Most 18-20 year olds i come across have as much maturity as a 10 year old kid.

yes good point
but how many full licence drivers died in the first year after getting off their p's?

[Christina]

did you know it's illegal to drive with anypart of your body outside of the car

indeed i do
i was referring to general things like speeding, seatbelts, etc, things people would know to be "offences"

[Julie]

I think its a bit dodgy, why is it considered that a p plater breaking the road rules is so much worse than a fully licensed driver? If p plater demerit points are reduced they should reduce the points a fully licenced driver has too. Yes I know fully licenced drivers are more experienced, but that also means they should bloody well now better, so why do they need 12 points in the first place?

[R0d]

The mentality of younger people now is just a joke. Most 18-20 year olds i come across have as much maturity as a 10 year old kid.

obviously you havent come across many 18- 20 year olds. The ones you have met are probally the ********s that try to act ''awesomely'' in their car.

[Christina]

well said Julie.

just look at my Dad, he goes on and on and on about how he has a gold licence and P platers need to get off our roads, but he has caused so much damage to his ford it isn't funny.

he hit a deep gutter and then mounted it the other day and smashed his power steering rack.. but i'm supposedly the horrid driver (no self-damage inflicted on my beast )

he screams at me doing 50 in 60 zones (i refuse to drive anywhere with him), starts going off like a psycho ("get me out. get me out, stop the car") and then does 70 in 60 zones and drives on the wrong side of the road... hmmm, take away 6 points from gold licence holders!

[calais_304]

well said Julie.

just look at my Dad, he goes on and on and on about how he has a gold licence and P platers need to get off our roads, but he has caused so much damage to his ford it isn't funny.

he hit a deep gutter and then mounted it the other day and smashed his power steering rack.. but i'm supposedly the horrid driver (no self-damage inflicted on my beast )

he screams at me doing 50 in 60 zones (i refuse to drive anywhere with him), starts going off like a psycho ("get me out. get me out, stop the car") and then does 70 in 60 zones and drives on the wrong side of the road... hmmm, take away 6 points from gold licence holders!

LOL my step dads exactly the same, he got real cut one time when he was going on about how long he'd had his licence and no accidents and fines etc etc. he wasn't happy when i told him that cuz he never checks his mirrors he wouldn't know if he ever caused an accident. lol

i go on my opens in a couple of weeks, i woner if i'll wake up all high and mighty

[calais_304]

I think its a bit dodgy, why is it considered that a p plater breaking the road rules is so much worse than a fully licensed driver? If p plater demerit points are reduced they should reduce the points a fully licenced driver has too. Yes I know fully licenced drivers are more experienced, but that also means they should bloody well now better, so why do they need 12 points in the first place?

my thoughts exactly, give p's 12 points and give opens none.

[vt1538]

LOL my step dads exactly the same, he got real cut one time when he was going on about how long he'd had his licence and no accidents and fines etc etc. he wasn't happy when i told him that cuz he never checks his mirrors he wouldn't know if he ever caused an accident. lol

i go on my opens in a couple of weeks, i woner if i'll wake up all high and mighty

Its not about being high & mighty. It is about trying to stop the young deaths on the road from inexperienced drivers. I agree that a fully licensed driver can still be irresponsable & cause accidents. However the statistics show that a large number of P plater deaths have been caused by stupidity & a total disregard of the road rules. Unfortunately as was shown here on new years day even adherance to the regulations can result in a fatal accident.

[crazyspoon05]

Something really needs to be done to get the message across to the young drivers that doing dangerous things on the road when you are relatively inexperienced can have devastating consequences

I know most of my friends and myself used to have a 'it won't happen to me, I can handle anything because I'm the best driver in the world' attitude when we first got our licence's, strange how you soon realise after attending a funeral or two or going into the Road Trauma unit at the Alfred and seeing a mate in full traction you soon realise your attitude on the road needs a serious revamp

[sixshooter]

my thoughts exactly, give p's 12 points and give opens none.

What a retarded thing to say !!! People make genuine mistakes !!!

I turned down a one-way street in the city on a motor bike once not noticing any one-way sign... After I had realised my mistake and stopped to turned around I find some ticket wielding overzealous copper had chased me on foot to give me a ticket.

Should I have been penalised for a hard to see sign ?

[calais_304]

What a retarded thing to say !!! People make genuine mistakes !!!

I turned down a one-way street in the city on a motor bike once not noticing any one-way sign... After I had realised my mistake and stopped to turned around I find some ticket wielding overzealous copper had chased me on foot to give me a ticket.

Should I have been penalised for a hard to see sign ?

well yes, you should of payed more attention to where you were going, i was once on a back road with my mate, i swear black and blue it was always a 70km zone, well i got done and told the cop, hey there's no signs, it's a back road/country road i thought it was 70, he then walked me down about 700m to a tree which had a hidden 60km/h speed sign behind it and told me...."Next time mate you'll pay more attention to the signs around you" (this sign was bloody hidden you couldn't see it due to the tree, mind you i went back the next day to show mum and to see if i could fight it and whatta you know, half the tree was hacked away!)

people make genuine mistakes but p platers don't? are all p platers mistakes done on purpose? and every one on opens is just a general mistake, doesn't work that way.

like i said opens shouldn't have points because they are the experienced drivers who know everything, p platers are still learning they should be the ones with the points.

[Julie]

I'm not suggesting that fully licenced drivers have no points, I just think its hypocritical to say p platers should have no points, but fully licenced drivers get 12. 12 points = a lot of room to make a lot of mistakes, no one really should be making that many mistakes, especially someone who has had that much experience. 12 points is like saying here you go you're booked for 3 points for speeding, but in case you haven't learnt your lesson you have 9 more points to learn it, just be careful your don't kill someone in the process!

Everyone makes mistakes, p platers too, they should be expected to make more mistakes as they don't have the experience of a fully licenced driver. I think rather than take the points way from p platers and give them a 1 strike you're out system they should reassess the current penalty points for all drivers. They should make the really dangerous offenses carry harsher penatlies, that way all drivers who screw up lose their licences, including the bad egg p platers and the bad egg fully licenced drivers. It wouldn't be discriminatory against p platers this way, just discriminatory against knucklehead hoons!

[ProphetVX]

I think its not without merit.... However I think they should think about how they go about it.

I personally would go for a system where they get 3 points, but they only come into play on minor offenses such as no p plates.

Speeding, Negligent driver, failures to indicate, red light running etc etc all result in an automatic suspension.

[azkwazere]

I'm not suggesting that fully licenced drivers have no points, I just think its hypocritical to say p platers should have no points, but fully licenced drivers get 12. 12 points = a lot of room to make a lot of mistakes, no one really should be making that many mistakes, especially someone who has had that much experience. 12 points is like saying here you go you're booked for 3 points for speeding, but in case you haven't learnt your lesson you have 9 more points to learn it, just be careful your don't kill someone in the process!

Everyone makes mistakes, p platers too, they should be expected to make more mistakes as they don't have the experience of a fully licenced driver. I think rather than take the points way from p platers and give them a 1 strike you're out system they should reassess the current penalty points for all drivers. They should make the really dangerous offenses carry harsher penatlies, that way all drivers who screw up lose their licences, including the bad egg p platers and the bad egg fully licenced drivers. It wouldn't be discriminatory against p platers this way, just discriminatory against knucklehead hoons!

Oh thank God.... finally someone who gets it!!!

This should be an even playing feild and the fully licencenced drivers need to relise this.

Its amazing how us youngens get told to grow up and get mature all the time by the "more mature" when its the narrow minded, high and mighty attitude which i think is just pathetic. There are alot of people that need to grow up.

aZk.