Sata or Ide

[MarzVP]

Okay i need to upgrade my computer and i need a bigger drive my motherboard supports both types of drive so what are the pros and cons of each? Thanks for your info.

[pendulum]

Um lets see, SATA is faster if you use HDD intensive programs. Um benefits of SATA is basically the drives are thinner allowing for better airflow and cooling...

Basically the major difference is the drive's theoretical speed, IDE between 33 and 133 MB/s, SATA around 600 MB/s... But if you want actual advice, SATA is the way :P

[MarzVP]

Thanxs pendulum they even seem to be cheaper will have to keep researching.

[Patrio7]

the biggest diff is $/GB imho

ide for mass flat storage, Sata for that extra shot of juice in the mix

[VZTHUNDER]

IDE is outdated tech
the disks are roughly the same size
SATA is a much faster interface. SATA costs more but is worth it as IDE is slow.
you can get IDE and SATA disks in the same size
oh and remember
hDD companies see 1gb as 1000mb not 1024mb like windows does
so if you buy it and there is space missing thats where its gone

[pow3rslave]

sata and ide are mostly the same size, mostly. ide (or PATA) is on the way out, lordhsv is kinda right, but there's always a bit of loss for file tables as well.

sata supports plug and play in windows, linux you can mount drives easier, but in windows with sata you can click the remove hardware icon in the start bar and switch the drive off, then unplug it, kinda useful.

watch out for sata connectors, they break easy (just plastic) and are a b!tch to reglue.

difference in price is nonexistent (8 bucks between a 250 gig sata and ide where i shop)

[Marco-EFIVL]

Serial ATA (SATA) is the future, this format has been common place now for a good three years or more. IDE and Parellel ATA (PATA) are the past. Most current motherboards won't support anything older than SATA now anyways mate.

[padrickz88]

im going to tell you exactly what everybody else has..... go sata..... its newer and cost less so why bother with old technology?

[pow3rslave]

only use PATA (ide) for an external drive where speeds don't matter as the enclosures are generally cheaper

[VS Omega]

SATA, slightly faster (is there even a drive capable of moving data at the rates SATA-2 is capable of?!) and cheaper. Everyone else has pretty much covered everything

[shaggerz]

go SATA see all above posts lol

except whoever said sata drives were thinner and cool better is not correct! the drive is exactly the same but the interface logic is better.

[immortality]

sata is the way to go, it's like the difference between a VN and a VE but at roughly the same price, i bet i know which you would get then

[pendulum]

go SATA except whoever said sata drives were thinner and cool better is not correct!

Actually they are slightly thinner, theoretically allowing for better cooling. :P I have IDE drives in this computer at the moment, and my brother has the SATA versions of one of them. There is about 2-3 mm difference in thinness. But then I did say it theoretically allows for better cooling :P Trust me, I'm an uber geek :P

[shaggerz]

sata is the way to go, it's like the difference between a VN and a VE but at roughly the same price, i bet i know which you would get then

lol and native command queuing is like magnetic ride control my god i am a geek!

[hingo1983]

SATA FTW!

PROS:
Tidier cabling and better airflow (smaller cables)
No master/slave jumper setting
Faster data speeds
Some SATA drives are slimmer
New technology replacing IDE
Prices are pretty good for SATA and IDE technology is on its way out so prices are climbing for IDE drives.

CONS:
None!
Despite what was said above, SATA drives are pretty much the same size as IDE. Any difference in physical size is pretty much insignificant.

[holdensupporter2005]

I even heard the other day you can now get sata dvd burners and optical drives!!!

[shaggerz]

I even heard the other day you can now get sata dvd burners and optical drives!!!

yeah you can but they are rare and expensive (wont be for too much longer). On the other hand, you can also get converters from ebay quite cheaply that plug into the back of your IDE optical drive and convert it to sata

[burnz]

IDE is outdated tech
the disks are roughly the same size
SATA is a much faster interface. SATA costs more but is worth it as IDE is slow.
you can get IDE and SATA disks in the same size
oh and remember
hDD companies see 1gb as 1000mb not 1024mb like windows does
so if you buy it and there is space missing thats where its gone

Serial ATA (SATA) is the future, this format has been common place now for a good three years or more. IDE and Parellel ATA (PATA) are the past. Most current motherboards won't support anything older than SATA now anyways mate.

sata is the way to go, it's like the difference between a VN and a VE but at roughly the same price, i bet i know which you would get then

my first 2086/286 used sata using linux V
what a wast of time EIDE is just as fast
whant somthing faster use fiberoptic if not
EIDE is faster than all processores/ram/bus including CRAY computer's
the slow point of comp's is the bus speed
a hdd is faster that any proscessor/bus available this include's supercomp's

[shaggerz]

my first 2086/286 used sata using linux V
what a wast of time EIDE is just as fast
whant somthing faster use fiberoptic if not
EIDE is faster than all processores/ram/bus including CRAY computer's
the slow point of comp's is the bus speed
a hdd is faster that any proscessor/bus available this include's supercomp's

oh my god I can not possibly imagine a more backwards thing that could be said. hard drives faster than any processor or bus available? that is actually hilarious because it is so inaccurate. Sata I capable of 150M/sec... your average hard drive will be very lucky to pull over 60M/sec and it sure won't do that continuously.

Maybe back when you had a 286 the processor SEEMED to be the limitation, but these days we are talking GIGABYTES per second of data throughput. Hard drives in today's PCs are by a long way the largest bottleneck there is, and come to think of it, I'm pretty sure they ALWAYS were.

[burnz]

7200rpm hdd is still faster than any supercomputer FACT!
sata/eide/fiber all the same the bottle neck is the bus speed
even your hdd is faster than you'r processor
test it. standard 192X

[burnz]

if your hdd was alowed to go flat out you would go blue screen every time

[VS Omega]

Just wow. Can't tell if you're being serious or not..

my first 2086/286 used sata using linux V
what a wast of time EIDE is just as fast

Serial ATA wasn't introduced until the 2000's, and it would be physically impossible to connect a SATA device to a 286 as at a minimum it would need to support PCI and I think 286's only had ISA and VESA. Assuming it were possible this would explain your supposed performance issues as PCI bus is limited to 133MB/sec which is the maximum achievable speed of a PATA device.

whant somthing faster use fiberoptic

Although Fiber optic is undeniably quicker than electrical signals because it makes use of light instead of the flow of electrons I don't believe there is a common computer desktop implementation in existence at this point in time.

EIDE is faster than all processores/ram/bus including CRAY computer's the slow point of comp's is the bus speed a hdd is faster that any proscessor/bus available this include's supercomp's

Not true. In fact in my system it is literally the slowest internal bus in use in my system as I don't have any PCI cards.. CPUs run at 2.0GHz, memory at 667MHz and graphics at.. I have absolutely no idea but it's absurd. EIDE is only running at 133MHz. I also doubt a bus standard can even be benchmarked against a company that makes super computers. Kind of like apples and oranges, y'know..

Oh, and my hard drives.. slowest thing in my system besides my burner

[VS Omega]

7200rpm hdd is still faster than any supercomputer FACT!
sata/eide/fiber all the same the bottle neck is the bus speed
even your hdd is faster than you'r processor
test it. standard 192X

I don't think I should tell you that they make 15,000rpm hard drives and they're available and actually in a lot of desktop and notebook computers as a primary disk?

What the hell is standard 192X?! I looked it up, it's a sound card..

[burnz]

sata in the begining was a dummy bios whitch linux used
for security nothing much has changed
15000rpm may make them faster but the bottle neck still remains
fiberoptic is the latest and greatest
ozzy invenion 1978 if i remember correctly(not new)
bottom line is u need 2.1gig bus speed with a hdd @7200rpm
with a 15000rpm hdd who knows the bus speed for that?

[shaggerz]

THANKYOU Juzza...

I was about to download sisoft sandra and send him a report showing 3-4 gig per second between my ram and CPU compared to about 50 meg between hard drive and system...

Jeez burnz whatever you are reading this stuff from must be futuristic predictions from the 70's of what might be required for those sort of speeds. Anyone with one iota of knowledge about a modern computer will tell you just how horribly wrong you are. I am just waiting for countless others to jump on this thread and say the same thing.

EDIT: burnz I suggest you read the SATA wiki for at least a basic understanding of the concept... you are either very very very misinformed, or there is some other thing that SATA stands for other than 'serial advanced technology atachment', that nobodys ever heard of because it was phased out along with the 286...