Holden Epica

[VS Omega]

I've never seen it until I went to media GM to grab some photos of the morpheus VE to add to DARKCOLD..

http://www.holdencampaign.com.au/epica/

Looks.. alright, for something from the Pacific Rim

[minux]

lol isnt that last model camry?

[jacko]

just looks like more daewoo sh*t
vectra replacement, perhaps?

[VS Omega]

just looks like more daewoo sh*t
vectra replacement, perhaps?

That's what I think anyway..

Got a laugh from the people at Media GM, one of the press photos for the CDX (the others of which have a CDX plate) has an Omega plate.. wonder if the base model City or whatever these damn cars are called at that level are having the name replaced to Omega..

[Astranomical]

Great, another Daewoo. Why aren't they importing Opels or Vauxhalls anymore?

[VS Omega]

Great, another Daewoo. Why aren't they importing Opels or Vauxhalls anymore?

They weren't so great themselves being made in Malaysia, but still better than Pacific Rim

[Burt_vn]

Terribly Ugly.

[fourstar82]

The interior and the rear end of it look decent, but the front end is ugly. Interesting to see it uses an inline 6cyl engine. I'd like to drive one to see what its like first till I pass judgement.

[andyman]

a 2.0 litre in line 6 manual making 195nm of torque, 2.5 litre inline 6 making 230nm of torque, uh oh do i hear underpowered

[fabz]

its a 202 revamp hahahahaha in a camery body LMAO

[vy_storm]

So much for the "global V6".

[VS Omega]

Agreed (again.. you're on a roll ) this would have been nice with the at least the alloytech 175

[AttaBoy]

To be honest the interior isn't that bad!! But the exterior is cheap and bland - not good.

[Rishy]

i agree with minux, i thought it looked like a camry aswell. i think the front end is alright, but the rear end down right ugly.

[spauldj308]

Carsguide said it was the new Torana...uhh, no.

[VS Omega]

Carsguide said it was the new Torana...uhh, no.

It's a fair enough comment, the Torana was originally intended as a small-medium sized family car and evolved into the racing bred beasts we know like the SL/R 5000 and A9X.

[Patrio7]

and with an inline six it'b be eaiser to turbo than a v6 no?

i'll accpet the ront but the rear screams vw golf at me :S

[Hot-Rod]

Looks ugly, is it Aussie built or another import?

[vy_storm]

It's from our friends in Korea I believe. Another quality <cough cough> Daewoo product...

[Hot-Rod]

Similar to the Viva range i assume, cheap as chips as well as the quality.

[vy_storm]

Viva, Barina, Captiva, Epica, all Daewoo rebadges nowadays.

Although, whilst having a dig at quality and reliabilty. Years ago you wouldn't consider buying a cheap Hyundai for those reasons. These days Hyundai are pumping out some decent quality product.

[Mr_Slim]

The reason we are seeing so many rebadged Daewoo's is purely excellent marketing from Holden.

Without stereotyping - cars like the Barina, Vectra, Viva etc are chicks cars. Face it, chicks prefer them, blokes prefer Commodores.

Another general statement which rings true in most circumstances - blokes care about the performance of their car, and not just the 0-100km/h time. Chicks don't - they care about the look, whether it has A/C, if it has a CD player, where the mirrors are, and the colour.

Holden is now able to offer chicks all the things they need / want in a car, without having to pay extra for a German engineered Barina, which while offering better performance, is practically useless as the target market simply doesn't care about German handling and performance

while you and me can see that the new cars are inferior to the old, the target market either don't see or simply don't care. Therefore Holden can continue selling what appears to be the same product, but at a much better profit.

However for the people who know something about cars, they have to provide australian / german / american built commodores, with more powerful engines, better suspension and quicker gearboxes, which is the VE Commodore

[vy_storm]

I have an even better reason. Economics. Cheaper made cars, more profit/lower prices, less increase on newer models.

[Mr_Slim]

I have an even better reason. Economics. Cheaper made cars, more profit/lower prices, less increase on newer models.

Good point. Economics is all part of the marketing strategy.

Doesn't bother me - i wouldn't have ever bought a Barina / Viva / Vectra anyway. Actually the Vectra wasn't bad.

But just to prove that this theory does actually work - if chicks (again, speaking in generalities - i know there are many females on this site who don't fall into this stereotype!) actually cared about the quality of their cars, then Hyundai and Kia would've gone out of business a long time ago

[vy_storm]

Like any global conglomerate, the accountants rule. While marketing plays a part, ultimately its the pen pushers upstairs that make sure the bottom line is protected.