157,893 Holdens Missing

[88GreenVN]

Well some of you may know I've been plugging away at the Holden production numbers and special milestone cars for over 18 months.

I can confirm the 250,000 - 500,000 - 1,000,000 - 2,000,000 - 3,000,000 and 4,000,000 th cars. all the production numbers add up to the month.

BUT when I do the VN 5,000,000th production calculation, I'm 157,893 cars short. All the models are VH, TF, JB, TG, JD, VK, RB, VL, JE, VN & VQ - The VG (5,690) was released in Sep 90 so I left it out.

I've gone over the numbers many times but....

The 5 millionth Holden was built on the 29th August 1990. So you cant include all the VN's (141,574) and the VQ (9,396) ran from Mar 90 to Mar 94 so only a small number are included (1,176).

I've hit the wall

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

maybe these were the lexcens that went to toyota?

[88GreenVN]

maybe these were the lexcens that went to toyota?

The lexen's were produced by Holden and have the serial numbers mixed in with the VN's.

The cars produced by Holden are the only ones that count so the little buzz boxes call Barina's dont count.

[Troy711]

what about toranas and camiras?

[VS Omega]

Could it be export models? Like the VN with the 4 cylinder?

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Just a thought. Could Holden have jumped numbers in their productions? I know some manufacturers miss some in a series change.

[VS Omega]

What about the Piazza? I know it's not completely local but if it came knocked down and was put together here then it could also be somethin'

[88GreenVN]

what about toranas and camiras?

Torana's finished with the UC and was included in the 3 - 4 mil production run.

The Camira JB, JD & JE were include in my count. (151,807 units)
The Gemini's TF, TG & RB were included too (69,264 units)

[88GreenVN]

What about the Piazza? I know it's not completely local but if it came knocked down and was put together here then it could also be somethin'

The only thing left for me to look into.

[88GreenVN]

Just a thought. Could Holden have jumped numbers in their productions? I know some manufacturers miss some in a series change.

Like the VZ wagons being produced at the same time as the VE

The VZ's started 312,000 ish and stopped around the 570,000's and started again at 810,000.

The VE's start at around 850,000 and have passed 900,000.

BUT I'm adding all the local production from Holdens publihsed pruduction numbers. Hoping to link serial numbers to production date eg the 5 mil VN built on the 28th Aug 90 s/n 4##,###.

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

When was the Calibra built? But I think that was imported.

[88GreenVN]

When was the Calibra built? But I think that was imported.

1991. First German built car sold by Holden with ABS brakes

[88GreenVN]

Apollo's built by Toyota so they dont count.

[Nobody Actually]

weren't piazza's built here then exported? i was under the beleif that they were designed in italy, built here but never sold in aus.

[vy_storm]

Included the locally produced Vectras? 21687 in 1998.

[JD]

what about shuttle vans?
that may help u find a few

[88GreenVN]

what about shuttle vans?
that may help u find a few

Were they produced here?

[88GreenVN]

weren't piazza's built here then exported? i was under the beleif that they were designed in italy, built here but never sold in aus.

Piazza - fully imported dam. (1986)

[88GreenVN]

Included the locally produced Vectras? 21687 in 1998.

Yep they in

[VS Omega]

I'm not sure about the shuttle, wikipedia says they're rebadged Isuzu's but it's always a possibility.. wikipedia also has a nifty small list of cars you might/might not have considered:

Apollo • Belmont • Brougham • Calibra • Camira • Cruze • Drover • EH • Frontera • Gemini • Jackaroo • Kingswood • Monaro • Nova • Piazza • Premier • Sandman • Scurry • Shuttle • Special • Standard • Suburban • Sunbird • Torana • Zafira

[VL Berlina 5speed]

heres a list of models under holdens on drive.com
might help a bit.

[88GreenVN]

I'm not sure about the shuttle, wikipedia says they're rebadged Isuzu's but it's always a possibility.. wikipedia also has a nifty small list of cars you might/might not have considered:

Apollo • Belmont • Brougham • Calibra • Camira • Cruze • Drover • EH • Frontera • Gemini • Jackaroo • Kingswood • Monaro • Nova • Piazza • Premier • Sandman • Scurry • Shuttle • Special • Standard • Suburban • Sunbird • Torana • Zafira

Its guna have to be one of them - But it will need to be local pruduced. Some of the Barinas have Holden VIN's maybe thats it

[88GreenVN]

There is a gap of low s/n in Feb 86 with the VL's going from 985340 to 203005 in the same month. Could have set aside 200,000 vin numbers.

[VS Omega]

GreenVN I'm fascinated by the work you do and appreciate it, just as I bet a lot of people here do..

Is it possible to get in touch with Holdens regarding this? They might be able to help out (though I doubt it )

[88GreenVN]

GreenVN I'm fascinated by the work you do and appreciate it, just as I bet a lot of people here do..

Is it possible to get in touch with Holdens regarding this? They might be able to help out (though I doubt it )

I have emailed several people but no jackpot yet - also open ended questions are too hard for them. But I will keep at them Now that I have found this 157,000 car accounting hole

The answer is to be found.