PIN VIN etc

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Something that irritates me is the way people say VIN number, PIN number and ATM machine. It's just a PIN, a VIN and an ATM. You don't go around saying automatic teller machine machine. I know its generally understood but it's still not the correct way to say it. Like committing suicide. You can't 'commit' suicide, it's just 'suicide'. Just a bit of venting, I know people will never stop saying these things but everytime I hear it I think FFS. I'm trying to teach my kids the correct way of saying things because I believe grammar and pronunciation indicate that you take a bit more notice when learning things so you are going to get more opportunities than people who say 'nuh' or 'nuffin' or even 'everyfing'. Sometimes ignorance can be bliss but ignorance also p***** me off.

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[88GreenVN]

Something that irritates me is the way people say VIN number, PIN number and ATM machine. It's just a PIN, a VIN and an ATM. You don't go around saying automatic teller machine machine. I know its generally understood but it's still not the correct way to say it. Like committing suicide. You can't 'commit' suicide, it's just 'suicide'. Just a bit of venting, I know people will never stop saying these things but everytime I hear it I think FFS. I'm trying to teach my kids the correct way of saying things because I believe grammar and pronunciation indicate that you take a bit more notice when learning things so you are going to get more opportunities than people who say 'nuh' or 'nuffin' or even 'everyfing'. Sometimes ignorance can be bliss but ignorance also p***** me off.

(The preceding rant does not depict any actual person or event on this forum)

Should we say VI number?

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Well I tried to instigate Pi number when people were using the EFTPOS and they were like WTF you talking about....

[88GreenVN]

MMM just doesent work right or is that write.

[STEALTHY™]

Technically it is commiting suicide, as by law your not allowed to kill yourself, and 'suicide' is an offence lol


guess they should re word it to 'attempting to commit suicide'

although i guess you can't face charges of killing yourself, unless you've killed yourself, to which you'd be dead, so you couldn't anyway

[Joe Peeps]

Well I tried to instigate Pi number when people were using the EFTPOS and they were like WTF you talking about....

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Just ask for the PIN, or VIN and dont say number at all

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

3.142....

Just ask for the PIN, or VIN and dont say number at all

Exactly my point, people understand what you mean when you say PIN but they say PIN number......

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Technically it is commiting suicide, as by law your not allowed to kill yourself, and 'suicide' is an offence lol


guess they should re word it to 'attempting to commit suicide'

although i guess you can't face charges of killing yourself, unless you've killed yourself, to which you'd be dead, so you couldn't anyway

Actually the act itself is suicide. You cant attempt to commit, you either attempt suicide or you succeed. You either do it or not. If you attempt suicide then you are attempting the act, if you succeed then you kill yourself, not commit the act of killing yourself. It's like driving a car, you 'drive', you don't commit driving. The same can be said of murder, you kill someone-'you murder' them, you don't commit murder on them. You can 'commit murder' however because you are describing the act. Where as suicide is the direct reference to the act. So by killing yourself you 'suicide'.

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

And this is going exactly where I didn't want it to....I was venting, not conducting an English lesson....

[Troy711]

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Just ask for the PIN, or VIN and dont say number at all

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[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

I want to see pi with sauce

[STEALTHY™]

Actually the act itself is suicide. You cant attempt to commit, you either attempt suicide or you succeed. You either do it or not. If you attempt suicide then you are attempting the act, if you succeed then you kill yourself, not commit the act of killing yourself. It's like driving a car, you 'drive', you don't commit driving. The same can be said of murder, you kill someone-'you murder' them, you don't commit murder on them. You can 'commit murder' however because you are describing the act. Where as suicide is the direct reference to the act. So by killing yourself you 'suicide'.

lol, read what i said again. Killing yourself is commiting suicide, which is whats against the law.

so theres no such thing as attempted murder?

[Troy711]

so if you try to kill yourself and fail do you go to jail? or in america... do you get sent to death?

[STEALTHY™]

Theres nothing that says attepted suicide is an offence with a conviction, but there are laws somewhere about suicide.


i've never looked into it, i'm just going by 'tachnicalities'

[vlv8vic]

you commit the act of suicide. if you succeed then you have succeeded in your attempt and have committed or committed to suicide.
Same as marriage... you commit to marriage. needless to say commitment isn't always successful.
It is funny how we say things isn't it.

[Troy711]

you commit the act of suicide. if you succeed then you have succeeded in your attempt and have committed or committed to suicide.
Same as marriage... you commit to marriage. needless to say commitment isn't always successful.
It is funny how we say things isn't it.

so basiclly if someone kills themselves they 'committed' suicide, but if they dont succeed they 'attempted' suicide?

[vlv8vic]

i would guess so.
any deeper and i will get confused.
Maybe it is more like murder than we think. Marriage too. wow more connections between marriage and murder.

(**waits for more discrimination feedback**)

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

If they succeeded in killing themselves, then the act of what they did is suicide. They killed themselves, they didn't 'commit' suicide. Like I said of the car, you drive, you don't commit drive. Attemped suicide is trying to kill yourself. You don't say 'he attempted to suicide'. Once a person has succeeded then that in itself is the act....suicide. When you say commit suicide it's like saying 'he is doing it', when in fact it's not suicide until it's done.

[gopher]

if you attempt suicide then you are committing a crime.


there are a few people on here who should be committed

[88GreenVN]

By far the best thread today.

[gopher]

It's just a PIN, a VIN and an ATM.

why don't you be one of the first to ask someone when they're paying by EFTPOS to key in their "personal identification number" because by your logic it's not a PIN either.

a PIN is something i would expect to find in a sewing kit

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

why don't you be one of the first to ask someone when they're paying by EFTPOS to key in their "personal identification number" because by your logic it's not a PIN either.

a PIN is something i would expect to find in a sewing kit

No, that would be a pin. When it is in capitals like PIN then it is an acronym.
So by your logic I should be asking if their payment type is cash, cheque or electronic funds transfer at point of sale.

[05 VZ SS]

There you go...You wouldn't say Point of Sale, because when they are actually paying, that is the sale, so to say point of sale you would be stating the obvious..So couldn't you say when asking for payment if they are paying by cash, cheque or card?

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Point of sale is the location not the event so you could say point of sale. It's not called EFTTOS, 'electronic funds transfer at time of sale'

[holdensupporter2005]

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thats if you want to get technical... of course, you could click here to see pi to 4,194,304 decimal places...