I concur with MikesVT, J_D and anyone else who believes in a fair trial. 5 years without charge is ridiculous. It has nothing to do with innocence or guilt. Interesting to note that only Australia lacks the minerals to stand up for its citizens against the US. Fills you with faith doesnt it...
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ermm.... The IRA did do that kind of thing... but anyway, lets not get into a big thing about that. And maybe they didnt blow THEMSELVES up, but there were PLENTY of bombings, and isnt that worse, the same person could detonate 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 killing so many more innocent people. Ok, you say they didn't, so... what about Hitler who was mentioned... Was he Muslim? Or the SS, were they? No... But they still killed thousands of innocent people because of what they believed in.
Anyway, point is, its not only muslims, people who think that its only muslims who are like that are naive and close minded and are puppets of the media and the government, and really I find it sad that I live in a contry where the majority of people think like that, and are actually able to vote......
*Back on topic starrrting..... Now..*
Edit: Thats right Joe Peeps, Australia is the only foreign country to still have a citizen there... Disgraceful
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How is your outlook on the situation any different to theirs? You're persecuting one religion for the actions of a minority. They're persecuting the actions of a minority as well.Originally Posted by calais_304
first of all mate the IRA is a military group started in the 1920's, secondly it has nothing to do with god nor do they use god as an excuse to blow things up, also the IRA does not blow themselves up they are not suicide bombers!
IRA stands for Irish Republican Army
by the way i can't recall any catholics going around bombing people in the name of god, maybe a grudge against an organisation, but not in the name of god....now which religion do you know of that does that i'll give you a hint it comes from the middle east
They disagree with the actions in the middle east by the US or any westerners and feel that killing themselves in the name of that cause is justifiable. Just like the US government or our government feels it is justifiable killing innocent civilians in their respective countries.
The only difference here is we are trying to not kill ourselves in the process.
The vast majority of every religion is good and decent, and yes I'm including muslims, yet its ignorant attitudes from people such as yourself that such problems exist in the world.
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The fighting in Ireland has nothing to do with religion. It was about the fighting for independence from British governance. The religious aspect was only in Belfast where the majority of the people were Catholic. The IRA, or the rebels as they were called were only defending the catholics against British police forces which were not catholic ie: protestants (originally those who protested against the decision of the Diet of Speyer in 1529) any person not a Roman Catholic.
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hes a ###ing prisoner of war.... he dont have to be tried for ****, nor does he have to be released until big bad bush pulls his, and tells johnny to pull our, boys out of afganiland and iraq etc...
i got nothing against muslims, but they dont help themselves via integration... they are the least tolerant people on the planet and dont believe they have to change for anytihng or anyone (generally...i know there are some who do and good on em i say) but the majority of em couldnt give two sh*ts about australia (or other adopted homeland) so thats where the bad name comes from...not a minority of super idiots that blew some sh*t up...
see what religion does to people... brainwashing... "do this!!!, coz i say the dude in the book will give you stuff...and make you better".... what a ###n joke...
why cant we all just drink beer, smoke cheeb and relax... i dont know why people over complicate things so much...
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no lets, you seem to know all about the religious suicide bombers of the IRA, and please inform me of other religions that insist on blowing themselves up and innocent people IN THE NAME OF GOD, because there's only one i know of and theres only one that most australians know of to.
I'm not on the pot mate. The point I'm making is that these muslim "extremists" are purely racists and idiots thinking that they're doing the best thing for their cause. You on the other hand are also a racist and think they are all the enemy, and clearly support the destruction of their countries and whatnot...
The only difference is that YOU do not die in the process.
Doesn't the american dollar bill say "In god we trust". Who led the invasion into Iraq or Afghanistan.
Who has died over there in the name of their country and their god? Who has killed 1000's upon 1000's of innocent civilians also in the name of this country and their god?
You're an imbecile if you think that purely because we are not willing to blow ourselves up in the name of our god, and yet still kill many innocent civilians that what is happening over there is ok. It doesn't make us "better" that we live another day to kill more innocents.
I don't support terrorism whatsoever, however to villify all those associated with a religion because of a minority is ludicrous.
The Wars against Iraq and Afghanistan were not fought in the name of God.
The IRA is moreso a political group (they may be Catholic but they do not fight in the name of God)
Last edited by Joe Peeps; 07-02-2007 at 04:15 PM.
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That would be Georges oil. Get ya grubby mitts off and go find your own well.
im sorry but the term racists mean someone that hates all races but their own, lets see i don't have a problem with asians, italians, poms, kiwis, islanders, germans, americians or the polish so....
how are they racists? there performing these acts in the name of god and also whats the meaning of racists again?
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Hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. So you can hate one particular race and still be a racist.
well it was actually in the name of george bush, he is the one that ordered the attack. you really think ol george sent troops to iraq because god told him to because the terrorists destroyed 2 towers and a building?
no no there is a term for it, i know there is just can't think of it atm because it's not a race, it's a religion.
Hatred of religion and racism are heavily intertwined. If you hate followers of a particular religion you are still a biggot.
You can say all you want, but if you hate followers of a religion based purely on what the minority are doing, you are no better than those who you hate them for.
Did you ever think that it is a vicious cycle and these people turn down the "extreme" path because of people such as yourself unwilling to accept them into our society? Oh wait, no "their god told them to".
I know quite a few muslim people, all of which are very nice, calm, peaceful and caring people wanting to be accepted into our wonderful country. I see no signs of them wanting to blow themselves up, oh but wait, a few of them have, they all must want to.
Many devout catholics have started sects or cults in which people have been killed or abducted, or in the case of the US, the KKK was formed to cleanse the world from the african americans... Does that mean all catholics are like this? Hell no, so why should we make generalisations about muslims. Oh thats right, they're easier to pick out in a crowd.
THE MINORITY WTF??? come to the vally or even queen st after dark! all i have to say. it's not the minority
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Oh but if you've ever listened to a George Bush speech he is acting under god, in fact he references him quite often, and sends prayers to his troops.well it was actually in the name of george bush, he is the one that ordered the attack. you really think ol george sent troops to iraq because god told him to because the terrorists destroyed 2 towers and a building?
Fact is, god didn't tell him to send troops, nor did extremists gods tell them to blowup buildings, they acted on their own behalf. Yet you persecute everyone associated with their religion because of it. Islam is one of the biggest religions in the world, why aren't there millions of attacks if its written in their religion?
In fact can you tell me when the last suicide bombing was in australia? I mean we have a large muslim contingent in australia, surely someone would have blown themselves up in the name of god already?
Huh? Are they all suicide bombers? Because thats the minority I'm talking about.THE MINORITY WTF??? come to the vally or even queen st after dark! all i have to say. it's not the minority
You're a biggot, the sooner you come to terms with it, the sooner you can look at how idiotic your ideologies are and become a better person.
But thank you for not replying to the rest of my post, because it just shows you do not have a valid reason for your actions.
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Ole George even tried to disallow citizenship to athiests because the patriotic oath says 'One nation under God'.
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The KKK was formed to try to keep African Americans subservient to the whites, not to wipe out the race.
Back on topic after 9/11 all the anti terror laws changed & one of those laws was that a suspected terrorist could be held indefinately without charge. If David Hicks was caught after these laws were passed it is his own fault & he deserves whatever he gets. If however he was caught before these laws were enacted he should be released until evidence is either strong enough to charge him or aquitted.
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Thanks for bringing this back on topic mate, it was getting out there a bit!Back on topic after 9/11 all the anti terror laws changed & one of those laws was that a suspected terrorist could be held indefinately without charge. If David Hicks was caught after these laws were passed it is his own fault & he deserves whatever he gets. If however he was caught before these laws were enacted he should be released until evidence is either strong enough to charge him or aquitted.
Great post too, first of all guys we can argue all day about religon, it's been done and done to death for thousands of years so i'd prefer to let that go.
The purpose of the thread is David Hicks and after reading all the posts since last night it's clear that the majority is split on this one.
You all make very good and valid points, to the degree that i would be prepared to say that my own opinion has shifted slightly.
I still think he should face trial on his alleged charges, i use the term alleged loosely btw!
I'm still not in favour of him coming home, i think the Americans need to get on with it in a hurry because despite what he may or may not have done 5 years is a disgraceful time for anyone to await trial.
If he's found guilty beyond doubt then he deserves what he gets, i can't honestly see the Americans letting him off after 5 years so the charges will be made to stick whether they are true or not.
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