The state of children nowadays
I'm a high school teacher and have been in the independant system since 2002. Beginning this year my wife and I opted for a sea change to the south coast. A job came up with the dept of Ed and I got it. The department is nothing short of incompetent. Just getting them to pay me was a hassle in itself and then they put me on a lower pay scale then I'm supposed to be and when I finally got paid they short changed me $50. Anyway thats not the point...
My point is that a majority of kids at this school seem to have some major issues and chips on their shoulders. In the first three weeks I've been told to "Shut the f*** up". "Get f***ed". "Shut your f****** mouth". Been called a "F*** wit", a "Stupid f****** c***" and today when reffing basketball I pulled up a kid for a foul and he comes at me and says "I'll throw this at your f****** head mate, I'll knock your f***** head off. Guess what? This is just from year 7's!!!!! How many jobs can you name where you get verbally abused and threatened with phyical violence most days? It's not just me either. My coordinator was verbally abused today too. She was called a "Dumb f****** sl*t" Granted that many of these kids have the most shocking home lives. Some kids as young as 12 have the cops after them, 60% of kids in the school come from a family where no one in the family is working. Now just because you come from a low economic area or background doesn't mean you have to act like trash and it certainly doesn't mean you can't teach your kids about respect for one another! Honestly where do 12 and 13 year olds learn this kind of behaviour? We certainly don't teach it in school. I have a kid in a year 9 elective class where he became so anygry he kicked in a metal garbage bin in the classroom. I found out later that this kid has a history of stealing and last year was caught breaking into a teachers car in the car park after smashing a window. A girl in my year 9 class who is one of the nicest girls you could meet was bashed outside the school grounds last Friday afternoon by a group of girls from another school. I nearly brought me to tears when I found out. Lucky for me I'm 6'1 and a pretty big guy so it's hard to intimidate me but when I tell my wife about what happens at this school she becomes more and more afraid for my safety everyday and wants me to change schools. She thinks one day some kid is going to pull a knife or gun on me which is quite possible I want to stay and see what sort of difference I can make. I've already got the job of cricket coach and being a music teacher I want to lift the profile of the subject in the school the same way I did at my previous school. In the last 3 years theres been 3 changes in music teachers. Now I'm the 4th.
Just like the RSPCA has a discount desexing program for animals I think that the federal gov't should have a discount desexing program for some people. C'mon people! Teaching manners, good behaviour and respect for yourself and others begins at home!
Car theives should be treated just like horse theives and cattle rustlers in the days of the wild west... Hang them!
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Scooter, maaate.
These kids sound like they need a massive attitude adjustment, in a hurry! I don't blame your wife for worrying. I sympathise dude, I have n real idea about what you a confronted with each day I can only imagine, whoa! I travel all around this lovely country, mostly NSW including the South Coast there are a lot worse places to be. Its not much fun considering that you are in what most consider a safe and friendly area. Some people just shouldn't be allowed to breed. Be happy in the thought that I'm sure no one here would carry on like a pork chop. (I hope)
Last edited by Huge; 15-02-2007 at 10:40 PM.
mate imo you can thank the do gooders who have taken the power away from parents! e.g its wrong to smack your kids theses days going by society but look at the delinquent generation thats now comeing up! no respect for their own parents letalone teachers or police and the way i see it its only going to get worse until the parents unite to stand up and speak up!
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too true. bring back the cane in schools. just think, these pieces of sh1t are our future generation... oh dear...Originally Posted by cxcxcxvcvcvc
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Been waiting for a topic like this to come up.
I was at Noble Park last month with the camera simply because i got stuck there and didnt want to drive my car through the crowd of what looked like 15 year olds, out, wandering the street causing absolute mayhem.
The thing that got me the most, was a kid, would of only been 12 at that, on a BMX, was sitting in the right hand turning lane and the light went green and an innocent motorist was waiting for a while for him to move, finally the motorist beeped him, the kid, keeping in mind he's only 12, this is at 1am in the morning and his responce is "What ****"
I was so totally shocked to hear the words come out of his mouth. At that age to have so little repect, and what the hell was he doing out so late?
Another thing that gets me, how they want to make it Illegal to smack your own kids now, i think the government and all the frickin do good-ers in todays society need to butt out and let people live their own lives the way they want to live it. If you want to hit your kid, fine, if you dont, fine. (When i say "hit" i dont mean lay into them with the closest object)
And finally, 40km/h speed restrictions outside schools. Sure, they might be there for a good reason, but whatever happened to teaching your children road sense? Is it too hard to teach your child that you DONT run out onto the road, or are you not capable of making your child your number one priority when you're around a road? When i went to school, as im sure many others here did, the school was on a main road and i used to walk home on my own. Now, i didnt find it challenging to stay OFF THE BLOODY ROAD because i'd been taught that if i went on the road without making absolutely sure there was no risk of anything coming i stood the chance of being killed...and where they MIGHT be OK to have 40km zones DURING SCHOOL TIMES, i dont see why they have to make some, as they have at the end of my street a permenent 40 zone...the mind boggles
Just as a last point on the 40km/h thing, im quite sure it wouldnt help in the slightest if you were doing 40 or 50 if you hit somebody. Sure, it might help reaction times, but if they run out right in front of you they're dead meat, at my high-school which is a 40km/h zone, some dumb bitch on her mobile phone went straight through the crossing when the guy was there with his nice big fluro jacket and stop sign on a stick...guy was in hospital with broken bones and lacerations, imagine if a kid got hit.
Right...thats my incoherent rant over
Last edited by minux; 16-02-2007 at 06:10 AM.
I probably should have mentioned that we live in Kiama but my work is close to Wollongong.
Car theives should be treated just like horse theives and cattle rustlers in the days of the wild west... Hang them!
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it is getting quite bad, you have to wonder what the hell its going to be like in another 20-30 years time as this sort of thing tends to build up in a cycle.
-a child is bought up into a lower class family and its just a case of "monkey see, monkey do"
...they see the way people in their family, neighbourhood and school act towards each other, with no respect, no curtesy, no clue what authority is.
they hear the way people talk to each other and think thats how people should converse.
they get frowned upon and treated like scum (because they are acting like it) by people of a higher class or by persons in authority and that pushes them further into being an outcast..."not worthy" to live in that part of society, they dont belong.
so they'll lash out against all these people, building up a tough shell to try protect them from insult and injury -thinking they cant be affected if they are always the aggressors in a situation - if you act weak you'll lose credibility and people will walk over you.
so that sort of cycle just continues to build in scale, and the chain is not broken - the young delinquents of today grow up to give birth to children who follow in their footsteps, who in turn grow up to give birth to children who become just like their parents and theirs before them.
this is how it happens in the majority of cases and it really does come straight back to parents, plain and simple, if you raised your children with proper morals, manners, discipline and responsibility and taught them the important life lessons only a parent can, then the children will benifit and they might just have a chance in life if you care enough.
but then thats the problem, if a child is bought up without these things taught, then they are not going to be able to pass them on to their children.
being born into broken homes and single parent families doesnt help either - just have a look at how many more single parents there are these days compared to 20 years ago...a running trend into the decline of society no?
with only one parent, who likely has to work most of the time to support their family - who is raising the children, who is watching them so they dont run the streets and become tomorrows criminals? where do they learn how to become a person? - from the people around them, the friends they have, the tv and movies they watch, the music they listen to, the activities they take part in...
its all part of the way we have come to live though, a far cry from the future im sure many people years ago invisioned, our future is going to be "interesting" to say the least.
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it is rather bad.
a few months ago i was asked by a child, he was 15 if i woudl buy him a pack fo smokes. ofcourse at the time i was a smoker and ididnt wanna see a young kid smoke, so i said no, sorry champ, im unable to buy you yoru smokes
he called me a (i hope this gets' blankes out) ****. i said excuse me, he promplty replyed you heard me ****er. i giggled and walked away shaking my head, the little bastard hit me in the back of the head which a chair. ofcourse i saw read, so i decked the little snot. tought him a lesson that day. some adults will hit you back.
i do belive that kids these day's are getting out of hand. it's a respect thing. and the geneartation that now looking after the teenagers of today are way to soft, trying other methods. a good old floging with the kettle cord by mty old man didnt hurt me. nor has it had any advers reactions with me.
i am a father myself. i know this much, if my daughter steps out of line and starts causing troubles, ill have no hastles in bringing her down a peg or 2, im the father, there is nothing this government can do to stop me.
ofcourse saying that, i do belive that there is a limit on what you can do, simple civil rights shouldnt be abused, and a child should never be hungry.
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these little peckers are shocking... i finished school in 04 and there was a sense of the young not giving a toss about anything...
i remember i had a yr 9 come up to me in yr 12 and say "got a spare smoke?" i said 'sorry mate, smoke my spares first, and i just had my last one'..
'real ###n funny arent ya?' was his reply... i just shrugged and went back to the conversation i was having with my mate. He grabed me by the arm, turned me around (which wasnt exactly hard coz i wasnt expecting what was coming) and he hit me square on the chin, which was a pretty weak shot coz im a tickle over 6 foot and he was 6 inches shorter than me. so i shook it off, and returned the favour by breaking his nose... he went to the principal who asked me what happened (i was a good kid in school, just a smoker) i explained the whole thing... the welfare coordinator tried to make me go to some anger management thing... i laughed and said "your kidding arent ya, a 15 yr old asked for a smoke, i said no, so he hit me, and you want to send me to anger management..."
'ok, fair enough" was her reply...
the parents of the kid came to the school and tried to have a go at me... i just said, tell ya kid smoking is bad and swinging punches at 18 yr olds when your only 15, probly isnt the smartest. the old man got all up in my face "how would you like it if i ###n hit you... rararararararara"...
my response... 'if i hit you, youde hit me back right? even though im only 18 and youre 40ish?'
"yeah"
'then who the hell do you think you are, coming here to have a go at me about it, when you would do the same thing... teach your kid about respect, itll get you a lot further than bumming smokes and throwing punches..."
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Hey Scooter, i'm in the gong, which school you talking about?
I have 3 kids and let me tell you, if they step out of line they get what they deserve - was good enough for me when i was a kid
It is our awsome government what has destroyed this country. That is why i have no respect for it and i dont give a **** for it. Parent's cant smack their children or they get put it jail. And police cant do **** they just use the excuse "they're to young".
****, i go down to my local mcdonald's and 99% of the time there is a pack of a 12-14 year old gang who terrorise the security guard's, worker's etc. Not to long back one of them threw a big rock thru the window smashing it causing $2000+ worth of damage. Mcdonald's new who it was, so did the police. The police did nothing again using the excuse that "sorry mate we cant do anything he is to young". And still day after day that gang is still their terrorising mcdonald's. Even the security guard's cannot do anything about it.
And then we have a bunch young muslim boy's ****ing this country over aswel, the government want's nothing to do with it. What do you think the cronulla riot's was all about.
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Don't get me started about the little cnuts that run around my area
During the holidays the primary school right near my house got hit with rocks, 25 windows smashed, most of them were part of a single parent family, I think that counts towards their behaviour
PS Watch Today Tinight to see the two kids who go nuts in the restruant
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Garth good to hear you flogged him.
Not long back on the news that Italian dude got mugged and hit with chunks of wood. They were all around 14-15.
"We thought he was a cop"
Absolutely stupid it is, it's getting worse. Bring back the cane, nothing else will stop them.
should just pay the school bully to sort these kids out, i just get my lil brother to sort out the youngins, he's still "to young" and can fight like a cut snake and loves to do it to
i know it's mean but they started it
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And they banned capital/corporal punishment....
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Garth you are the MAN. After reading all these stories, it brings back some of my own. But instead of posting about it, lets just go on a flogging spree!!! Makes me so pissed off what these little ill respected ****ers do. I have first hand experiences with my little sister. Bad person she is.
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hey scooter - formally of blacktown - did you used to teach there as well? i went to Grantham High in Seven Hills, so i know exactly what you mean about sh1t kids in school these days.
i finished high school 3yrs ago, but i remember seeing it changing since i started yr7, to when i finished. when i started, there was still some sense of respect between young kids, old kids and teachers. by the end it was all gone.
i remember when i was in yr7, if you were smartass to a yr12 or to a teacher, you were in big big trouble (either physically or via punishment) by the time i finished, young kids in yr7 were the biggest loudmouths in the school, and basically ran the joint. why? because they had connections. Let me give you an example.
We were playing touch football in the back field, i was in yr12 at the time, and i was reasonably big - 6" and about 70kg. these yr7's came up to us, who were in the football team at school and offered to play us in tackle football. we agreed, and without actually hurting them, we gave them a hiding, as you would expect. next thing i knew, i had about 10 yr7 kids threatening to bash me. Now normally i don't take sh1t from little kids, i just walk away, or if they throw a punch ill just block it and keep going. but in this case i actually took a beating from these little sh1ts. Why? because the leader of this little group - his big brother had just gotten out of jail for armed robbery, and he knew where i lived. So to save myself from being killed, i copped a very humiliating beating.
in conclusion, young kids these days are getting worse and worse. i remember reading an article - GenX vs. GenY vs. GenZ. GenX is your 30-45yr old who earn respect, GenY is me - 18-30yr old who will give you respect if you respect me, and GenZ are the new young kids who don't respect **** all, and think they run the joint
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lmao awesome comeback by the way. i can imagine the little sh1ts dad coming down and trying to give you sh1t about it. most of the kid's problems are due to sh1t parents who don't deserve kids
lol luv it,
what about the young teens etc and the sense of clothing? 13yr old tramps etc
This attitude is EXACTLY the problem I'm talking about!!!! ARGH!!!So which gov't are you blaming exactly? State or Federal? You even know if there is any anti smaking policy in place? If there is then why dont you explain it to me. For crying out loud stop blaming governments and everyone else. This is exactly what youngsters do nowadays when they get in trouble, they blame everyone except themselves therefore they never have to take responsibility. Don't tell me that you teach a kid respect by smacking it. I have nothing against a smack if they do the wrong thing but if a smack is your answer for everything then you'll teach a child nothing more than resentment. If you had a 12 year old is out of control at school calling teachers "F****** c****" and "sl*ts" are you going to say "It's because I wasn't allowed to smack him/her"? I would hope not! Obviously the child has learnt it from you or someone in the family. You want to try blame the TV or media? Don't let your kids watch those sorts of shows! Kids aren't stupid. They learn from they're parents at the earliest age. If a parent is constantly swearing and blaming everyone else on their troubles then what do you expect the child to do. As someone said before, 'monkey see, monkey do'.
Whats this garbage about blaming middle eastern and muslims for a change in society? I taught in a school for the last four years where there was a very high percentage of Lebanese families. There were some tough ones but 99% of them were a pleasure to teach. The reason being is because the parents wanted nothing but the best for their kids and the kids responded to that. Parent/teacher nights you'd get nearly every parent wanting to talk to you. At this school I've been told that most parents don't bother to turn up. What does that tell you? Parents don't care so why should the kids? This school also has a much higher percentage of anglo saxons then the last place so don't try to make it a racial issue.
You may have heard about a teenager that was bashed and died the early hours of new years day in the NSW country town of Griffith? I grew up in Griffith and lived there until I was 18 when I moved to Sydney to go to uni. It really was the nicest, friendliest place to grow up. I went back there 2 years ago and you've got graffiti and vandalism problems. We went out for dinner late one Friday night and there were kids that looked no more than 13 walking the street and swearing with the most foul language at the top of their voices. I had never seen any of that in the whole time I lived there. Parents just don't care anymore. They too busy trying to be their childs friend rather than a parent!
Car theives should be treated just like horse theives and cattle rustlers in the days of the wild west... Hang them!
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I see all these things that people are describing everywhere I go. Its depressing and really has destroyed my faith in humanity.
I used to want to have kids but after the things I see everywhere I don't want to bring them up in this world...
As for blame it is wholly and completely the parents who are to blame. The question is, which generation dropped the ball? Every generation after that is simply passing the same teachings down that they were taught...
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You took that completely the wrong way, and no I did not blame middle easter and muslim's for the change in society. What contibute to the change in society is:This attitude is EXACTLY the problem I'm talking about!!!! ARGH!!!
Whats this garbage about blaming middle eastern and muslims for a change in society? I taught in a school for the last four years where there was a very high percentage of Lebanese families. There were some tough ones but 99% of them were a pleasure to teach. The reason being is because the parents wanted nothing but the best for their kids and the kids responded to that. Parent/teacher nights you'd get nearly every parent wanting to talk to you. At this school I've been told that most parents don't bother to turn up. What does that tell you? Parents don't care so why should the kids? This school also has a much higher percentage of anglo saxons then the last place so don't try to make it a racial issue.
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Let's face it kid's these day's can get away with anything they want. Heck you can get a pack of 12 year old's all with wooden bat's going around smashing up car's, the police will come give them a little lecture and then drive them home. Next night out they will be doing the same thing. What happened to punishment? What happened to punishment in school? what happened to punishment in the home? 10+ year's ago if a child broke into a home he would be sent to a child correctional centre, today he would be sent home with a slap on the wrist. You can say whatever you think about me because i really do not care. This is the internet.
Parents are to blame for the relaxing of punishments, because every time a kid was punished by the law, the parents would get on their high horse with "how could you do that to MY child?? how dare you!!" etc etc... the government governs the way the people want... and unfortunately, people do not want anyone but themselves to discipline their children, but they also dont want to do it... so nobody does!
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Again you're reinforcing exactly what I'm saying. The RSPCA has a discount desexing program for those that are interested. Would you like me to post you an information pack?
Car theives should be treated just like horse theives and cattle rustlers in the days of the wild west... Hang them!
Don't be stupid. Power isn't measured by the size of your tacho
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