New P-plate Legislations For Victorian Drivers

[nEb.]

Ok .. this might spark some anger but hey dont shoot the messenger:
Primary information:
The current power to weight restriction will continue to apply to any probationary driver who obtained their licence before 1 July 2007.
Thats is: 125KW to 1Tonne of car.
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The new graduated licensing system is being introduced to help make younger drivers become safer drivers
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Each year 18 to 25 year olds are involved in crashes in which around 120 people are killed and 2300 are seriously injured. This is about one third of the Victorian road toll.





1. If you will obtain your P's AFTER JULY 1, 2007:
From JULY 1, 2007 a probationary licence holder will not be able to drive a vehicle if it has:

x An engine of eight or more cylinders;
x A turbocharged or supercharged engine (except diesel powered vehicles);
x An engine that has been modified to increase its performance;
x And/or certain high performance six cylinder cars;
An official list of nominated vehicles will be published on the vicroads website from 1 July 2007.
In the interim it is expected to include the following vehicles:
- the BMW M and M3,
- Nissan 350Z,
- Porsche (all models), and
- Mercedes Benz SLK350.

Vehicles which are excluded from these restrictions are:
x Turbocharged or supercharged diesel powered vehicles (without engine performance modifications);
x All models of the Smart car, produced by Mercedes Benz;
x Nominated vehicles with low powered turbocharged or supercharged engines, These vehicles include the following vehicles:
- Suzuki Cappucino 2D Cabriolet Turbo 3 cylinder 689cc, and
- Daihatsu Copen L880 2D Convertible 4 cylinder 659 cc.

If you want to buy a vehicle and are unsure whether it is high powered, the first step is to ask the seller or dealer prior to buying the vehicle or contact the manufacturer directly for more information. If you are still unsure or doubt the information given, seek further advice from a licensed mechanic.

Penalties:
From 1 July 2007, the penalty for driving a high powered vehicle will be three demerit points and a maximum fine of approximately $1100. These penalties will apply to both the current power to weight restrictions and the new high powered vehicles restrictions.





2. If you have obtained your P's BEFORE JULY 1, 2007:
If you obtained your P plates on or before 30 June 2007, a high powered vehicle is considered to be any vehicle with a power to weight ratio over 125 kw per tonne, or with an engine capacity to weight ratio over 3.5 litres per tonne. This includes any make of car.

If your car is modified, you may also need to obtain an engineer's certificate and do your own calculations. You are also required to notify VicRoads of any significant modification. Penalties for not doing so are tough.
If in doubt contact VicRoads on 13 11 71.

For example, if a V8 vehicle weighs 1382kg with a power rating of 185kw, then the power to weight ratio is: 185/1382 x 1000 = 130kw per tonne. This vehicle would therefore be considered a high powered vehicle, because it is over 125 km per tonne. You can calculate the power to weight ratio of a vehicle using this power to weight ratio calculator. http://webapps.vicroads.vic.gov.au/v...wcalc?OpenForm

Penalties
From 1 July 2007 the penalty for driving a high powered vehicle will be three demerit points and a maximum fine of approximately $1100. These penalties will apply to both the current power to weight restrictions and the new high powered vehicles restrictions.
For more information on High Powered Vehicle Restrictions
Contact VicRoads on 13 11 71 (Monday to Friday - 8:30am-5:00pm. Saturday 8.30am-2.00pm)

I hope this helps people out, it sucks i know, but hopefuly less deaths will occur from these rules, we'll see how it goes. There you go ladies and gents, - VicRoads screws us in the ass yet once again.

[hakhawk]

old news really, theres a couple of threads on this. though this is the latest info copy and pasted from the site.

dont forget the $500 fine for under 26 yo not carrying their licence at all times

[Charg'd]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha, have fun new p platers

[Grennan]

Yeah relativly old news now. But still, gonna be fun poking fun at my brother when he gets his p's in 2 years.

[DannyboyDS]

ahhhh my g/f wont be able to drive my car.

Actually on second thoughts, YIPPIIIEEEE

[badger__rox]

that sux hard core lol lucky im 18 in may...

[MikesVT]

So wait... let me get this straight


I already have my P's... have had for over a year now....


SO, reading the above info... I'M still allowed to drive a turbo charged car, as long as the power to weight does not exceed 125kw/tonne?

Is this right? Or does the nonturbo/supercharged thing apply to people who already have their P's as well??

[Reaper]

So wait... let me get this straight


I already have my P's... have had for over a year now....


SO, reading the above info... I'M still allowed to drive a turbo charged car, as long as the power to weight does not exceed 125kw/tonne?

Yes. From my understanding the only thing that changes for existing probationary license holders is the penalty system when they get caught driving hipo cars.

Reaper

[MikesVT]

swwweeeeettttttt

The forester is 109kw/tonne .... Good news for me... Bad news for my old man...

[winton]

ah man that sucks so much for the new p' platers coming up.

im glad thats why i live in s.a they havent got these gay laws in yet.
i dont see the point of having power restrictions coz u can still crash and kill urself in a dunger peice of crap car
doesnt make sense to me. i think its just another way for the government to piss off young people lol

[Sabby]

yer u can kill urself in any car
but cars that are more powerful would have a faster pickup and then u cud loose control on pickup.

[nEb.]

its a case of discrimination if u ask me, just an easy way for the government to increase their revenue. P plate drivers are not really the main problem when it comes to car-accident-related deaths, i'm pretty sure when you hear on the news of people dying in car accidents its mainly full liscened drivers that are involved.

[MikesVT]

I also wonder... All these statistics about P platers "INVOLVED" in accidents... Does that mean they CAUSED the accident?

Because the word "involved" implies to me that the accident may have been 100% the fault of a fully licenced driver.

I've never agreed with P plater restrictions... I think they're bull****, a waste of time, and just a way to make people think that the government is actually doing something for the people (Which theyre not, but they seem to fool everyone into believing it)

Anyways... I got just over a year and a half left, so unless I win a V8, doesnt really bother me, so long as I get to drive the old mans car

[Marco-EFIVL]

I can do nothing but shake my head in despair...
I pray WA stays sane for a while yet...

[Grennan]

I hate to be a asshole here. But my friend has shed some new light on this. I think all Victorians have heard of the P1 and P2 deal? Next year (2008) they will be releasing the P1 and P2 deal. And in that, its 4 years for P plates, instead of the 3 we are on currently.

Anyway i have be told and shown information on the VicRoads website (Im going to ring VicRoads and confirm) That when the new p1 and p2 comes out, CURRENT P PLATERS, meaning me and you and a lot of other people here will go directly onto P2 plates. And (this is what i need to confirm) when we go on those P2 plates, we will need to be on them for an extra year.

My only wonder is, if current p platers will go onto the second year of P2 or the first. If we go onto out first...theres going to be a ****load of angry P platers.

[Reaper]

its a case of discrimination if u ask me, just an easy way for the government to increase their revenue. P plate drivers are not really the main problem when it comes to car-accident-related deaths, i'm pretty sure when you hear on the news of people dying in car accidents its mainly full liscened drivers that are involved.

Take any state you like and you will find that young drivers (particularly male) are very over represented in road crash statistics. It has nothing to do with increasing government revenue.

Reaper

[vr_owner]

yeah well good luck cops trying to find my stroker kit plus how are they gonna know if the internals are modified anyway?

[Reaper]

I hate to be a asshole here. But my friend has shed some new light on this. I think all Victorians have heard of the P1 and P2 deal? Next year (2008) they will be releasing the P1 and P2 deal. And in that, its 4 years for P plates, instead of the 3 we are on currently.

Anyway i have be told and shown information on the VicRoads website (Im going to ring VicRoads and confirm) That when the new p1 and p2 comes out, CURRENT P PLATERS, meaning me and you and a lot of other people here will go directly onto P2 plates. And (this is what i need to confirm) when we go on those P2 plates, we will need to be on them for an extra year.

My only wonder is, if current p platers will go onto the second year of P2 or the first. If we go onto out first...theres going to be a ****load of angry P platers.

Can you post a link to the information you are referring to?? Everything I have ever seen indicates it's only for new licenses. http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...edvehicles.htm

Reaper

For those who are too lazy to click:

New laws on driving high powered vehicles
From 1 July 2007, new laws will be introduced for holders of a probationary licence, restricting them from driving a high powered vehicle.

A driver who obtains their probationary licence from 1 July 2007 will not be able to drive a vehicle that has:

* eight or more cylinders;
* a turbocharged or supercharged engine (except diesel powered);
* an engine that has been modified to increase the vehicle’s performance; or
* is a nominated high performance six cylinder car.


For more information on these restrictions and exclusions go to the arrive alive! website.

The current power to weight restrictions will continue to apply for any probationary driver who has obtained their licence before July 2007.

These new restrictions are part of Victoria’s new Graduated Licensing System, and were first announced in June 2006. The new system is being introduced to help younger drivers become safer drivers and is expected to reduce serious casualties by up to 800 each year, including 12 fewer deaths.

For more information visit www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au.

[minux]

I also wonder... All these statistics about P platers "INVOLVED" in accidents... Does that mean they CAUSED the accident?

Because the word "involved" implies to me that the accident may have been 100% the fault of a fully licenced driver.

I've never agreed with P plater restrictions... I think they're bull****, a waste of time, and just a way to make people think that the government is actually doing something for the people (Which theyre not, but they seem to fool everyone into believing it)

Anyways... I got just over a year and a half left, so unless I win a V8, doesnt really bother me, so long as I get to drive the old mans car

lol, these posts make me laugh.

You think someone who has been taught to drive and nothing else should be allowed to be in control of a 300rwkw weapon?

I seen a report released from some government department it shows that P plate drivers male and female represent 76% of all accidents and fines on a per capita basis. 1 in every 2.9 major violations also involves a P Plate driver. Now these figures are very disturbing. Granted all people should have to sit "high powered vehicle" courses which would demonstrate your control in dangerous situations etc.

I could go on, but i will just get abused for P Plate bashing, the reports are out there as proof, people just dont pluck random **** out their ass.

[JD]

300rwkw? i dont think many would be able to afford something like that until they're at least 25!

I do believe there should be some restrictions but i dont see a 253 being a much of a weapon ( V6's are quicker! ) or even a 304 aint that quick and like ive said before people can crash anything ( even a mini or vee dub ).

I think, like you said minux that high powered training should be mandatory but i also think the government should pay.

One more thing no matter how fast the car is if they stick to the posted limits a V6 and a V8 would handle the same in a dangerous situation, in fact the V8 should prove better as they are usually equipped with fe2 and have greater stopping power.

[miltiadis_s]

just a few questions..

if you get your Ps after july 2008, will the 125kw per tonne still apply?

and with the new laws stating that you cant drive high powered 6s or cars with engine mods to increase performance, does that mean you cant have extractors, exhaust, pod filter and chip?

and how does the rating system work if a p plater goes under his fathers name as second driver? thanks

[krazyboris]

1. Yes, it still applies, but it comes with more restrictions than at the moment.

2. Yes, that is correct. You can change nothing that increases the performance of the engine above it's current status, if you are one of the P platers that got your P's from 1st July 2007

3. I am not entirely sure of the answer to this one, so I will leave it up to someone else.

[Reaper]

300rwkw? i dont think many would be able to afford something like that until they're at least 25!

I do believe there should be some restrictions but i dont see a 253 being a much of a weapon ( V6's are quicker! ) or even a 304 aint that quick and like ive said before people can crash anything ( even a mini or vee dub ).

I think, like you said minux that high powered training should be mandatory but i also think the government should pay.

One more thing no matter how fast the car is if they stick to the posted limits a V6 and a V8 would handle the same in a dangerous situation, in fact the V8 should prove better as they are usually equipped with fe2 and have greater stopping power.

Ok - just 1 example of why new drivers should get experience on lower powered vehicles to begin with. It is a post from "stocky" a 19 yo forum member from Victoria.

10 km/h???? 180 deg spin???? were you on ice or exaggerating just a little bit.

Reaper

yeah whatever mate. made the u turn, finished it, about to drive off and car spun around 180, had to do the u turn again

*Anybody* who can spin a car 180 deg unexpectedly while only traveling at 10 km/h needs to gain valuable experience on lower powered cars before they move up in the world. For some (Odviously Stocky is one), even a V6 Commodore is still too powerful however the line has to be drawn somewhere. Unfortunately to him at least it appears to be the gravels fault for him spinning and his lack of car control has nothing to do with it.

Reaper

[Reaper]

just a few questions..

if you get your Ps after july 2008, will the 125kw per tonne still apply?

and with the new laws stating that you cant drive high powered 6s or cars with engine mods to increase performance, does that mean you cant have extractors, exhaust, pod filter and chip?

and how does the rating system work if a p plater goes under his fathers name as second driver? thanks

1. From the info from the Vicroads website All V8's and Turbos/superchargers would be out. If you have a na car that is over 125 kw/ton I would check with vicroads first as some are outlawed.

2. Yep - Any mod that can be seen to improve it's performance is out.

3. It doesn't relate to ownership but the car you are driving. If you get dads V8 Commodore seized for being a hoon then you might be in more trouble from dad than you already are with the law.

Reaper

[miltiadis_s]

so what mods can you do to the car which arnt visable?