I was disgusted to hear this morning on B105 that there is a place out there teaching pole dancing to 7yo girls! i was even more disgusted to hear camilla from "BB" saying that there's nothing wrong with teaching a 7yo to pole danceas if it already isn't bad enough with 12yo's getting around in mini skirts, boob tubes and inch thick hooker makup on
what are your thoughts on this.
Here's the link: Children should not be pole dancing | NEWS.com.au
Last edited by calais_304; 08-10-2007 at 03:17 PM.
Originally Posted by cobez
For real??? Those parents need their heads read.
Reaper
man i would never let my daughter do that. no matter what age she is. pole dancing pretty much promotes skankyness, last thing i want is a skank for a daughter.
No I wouldn't but if it was just a non sexualised form of dance I don't think its soo bad. I must admit I was shocked one day when I asked my daughter what she did at school one day she said they played pole dancing at lunch. All the little girls at school do this, theres huge shade structures at her school and hence tonnes of poles. Its perfectly innocent the girls like dancing and swinging around them mucking around their is nothing whatsover sexual about it at all.
Theres no way on earth however I would let my daughter take pole dancing lessons, she can stick with her ballet jazz and tap!
What sickos :-/ There's no way i'd let a 7y/o kid pole-dance.
Originally Posted by som
Guys guys guys, i think you are confusing the strippers use of a pole dance as compared to a fitness use.
My fiancé does it, i have even attended a few classes, it is excellent for upper body work and VERY VERY non sexual.
I would let my daughter do it, i have seen the way the classes are run and it is no different to using ropes.
My personal trainer runs classes for her clients that range from 6 year old males/females right through to 60 year old male/females. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it except that people can be very mislead because of how it is used in sex clubs etc.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
- Theodor Seuss Geisel
well said minux.
some girls who do pole dancing as a form of exersize have VERY fit bodies.
Yeah that sounds like a good way to look at this from another angle.
Personally ive never seen what these, "fitness pole dancing classes" are like, soo my judgment was takin thru the view of a parent n the use of "pole dancing" as in sexually exploiting thier body for others entertainment.
Maybe if the article was written as "7yo participating in fitness pole dancing" or something it wouldnt have soo misleading, but yeah we all know how they get ppl to read their crap.
But either way i still wouldnt let my child go out n participate in "pole dancing" it just dont sound right eh.
Tell me about it, my Trainer is 45 and damn, she is fine, her main shape she claims comes from pole dancing. Since Kaye has been doing it her body has sculpted perfectly in areas that needed work. She is also now down to 51kg and looking better than ever. The belly dancing i think is helping that also
If news claimed it was for fitness where would the outrage be lol? I doubt there would be a thread on here dedicated to it![]()
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
- Theodor Seuss Geisel
THANK YOU!! I was waiting for someone to read between the lines instead of instantly thinking POLE DANCING = TOTAL NUDITY.
Two good friends of mine pole dance purely for fitness AND it's still considered a style of dance, because when they were deciding what style of dance they wanted to do they couldn't decide, so they chose pole dancing.
I went to a pole dancing comp in rowville about 4 months ago, there were ladies pole dancing who were older than 40!! And they don't have to wear minimal clothing, they chose their own outfits, but obviously they couldn't be ultra baggy or a long skirt as it would be kinda hard to pole dance in a long skirt or baggy jeans etc.
All the girls family's were there etc it was all very professional with all female teachers etc.
Cept there was a dude who had to go wax the pole's after every routine which was gold cos yeah, imagine a guy waxing a steel pole with 2 hands. He got bigger cheer's than anyone else bwahahaha.
Originally Posted by wikky
As Minux already said, you are thinking of strippers and pole dancing.
And besides, when have you seen a stripper with inch thick hooker make up on? Very rarely.
You are confusing hookers, strippers and pole dancers.
3 quite different things.
Jumping on this subject without actually researching can make you look as bad and un-educated on this subject as the people who wrote that article.
Sure if a female wants to become a stripper and learn pole dancing then that's her choice, BUT 99% of all the girls i have seen do pole dancing is purely for fitness.
My friend Dee had a pole installed in her garage at home, one day we were around there for a few drinks, and me and some other friends tried to do what some of those girls can do, and the operative word there was TRIED.
It was honestly one of the hardest things i have ever tried, the level of fitness to be able to hold your entire body UPSIDE DOWN on a slippery steel pole is amazing. I could do a stupid fireman slide down the pole but who can't do that. Some of the things they can do is beyond me i couldn't imagine myself ever being that fit!
Originally Posted by wikky
I honestly wouldnt be letting my 7yo to pole dance, as the common misconception is that pole dancing is strickly related to stripping. I would imagine it would be totally different for a parent.
Yeah but that's the general public's misconception, you need to teach your kids to make their own decisions and have their own views, not follow everyone else.
But each to their own.
Originally Posted by wikky
I'd be more concerned with having my daughter in a jazz ballet school. Some of the outfits they wear and the moves they are learning are much more provocative than pole dancing. My girls are almost five, they will be doing pole dancing before regular dancing. My niece is almost 12 and she has been doing dance for a few years. I have been to one of the performances when she was about 8, I felt embarrassed at what the kids were doing, she has even been taught how to apply make up to make her look older.
I agree with minux. There is two types of pole dancing and Im sure they are not teaching 7 year olds how to "dirty pole dance". Pole dancing takes so much physical strength. You have to be really fit to be good at it. I would be more worried about schools and people shoving religion bull**** down my future kids throats.
I can see WHY people can see it as a sexual thing, but i see it as the same as dancing with another person, but alot more varied in style. The pole is the dancing partner and can be alot more variable because there isn't any way you could do a body body twist around a human from the top of their head to their legs!
I was honestly amazed at the way some of those girls can hang upside down BY THEIR LEGS and slide down around the pole upside down it's phenomenal. Half of us in the crowd were sitting there with stunned looks on our faces. I reckon half of them could snap your neck with their legs if they tried LOL!
Originally Posted by wikky
There really is no dirty pole dancing. It's the strippers who get butt naked and dance on poles who give it a dirty image because half the general public actually haven't attended a proper professional pole dancing show or class. No nudity or anything of a sexual nature involved unless you see it that way.
If you see it as a sexual thing there is no point in being there as you need to have an open mind and appreciate it for it's fitness merit.
Not saying this is how you think though dude so don't see it like i am having a dig at ya or anything because what you said is correct!
Originally Posted by wikky
I do see the difference, however I still dont think i would feel comfortable untill i did actually see a class, and see what the instructors are teaching. It is very hard for me, not being a parent personally to make a consise judgement on how i would feel. I think at first i would be very against it, as i assume most fathers would be, but after research would come around.
Well basically, they don't grind and rub their lady bits all over the pole like they are trying to get it on with it like strippers do. Basically you have to see it to totally understand as it's hard to explain the moves they can do.
Originally Posted by wikky
LMAO, i just feel i lost 10 iq points by watching the story on ACA.
Typically its some old itty bitty trying to tell people what is right and wrong for other parents kids to do.
Just to add, the same woman said why not do ballet or another form of dance..i have seen a few video clips of late, the skankiness style of dancing that these kids see and replicate is far worse than fitness pole dancing. As for ballet, well i have seen quite a few provocative ballets on both tv and at the theatre.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
- Theodor Seuss Geisel
Minux if i saw you do it i would find it VERY VERY non sexual![]()
I feel the same about the IQ thing however it hasn't changed my opinion on the subject. I think the vast majority of adults (and probably children over 14) will describe the stripper version of Pole dancing when you ask it's definition. Watching what was shown, the only difference was the type of clothing worn for the most part. Not something I'd want my kid (if I had one) to try.
Reaper
I can see how it would be a good work out, a few women from another forum I use do these classes and they reckon its awesome, but come home sore for days, covered in bruises and have discovered muscles they never knew they had.
I do see where u are coming from N_A_A_F with the traditional jazz/ballet some of the stuff some schools teach and have the girls wear is downright slutty. At my daughters first dance school there were older girls in the show group wearing seguinned bras and mini skirts and even the younger show group the girls were wearing capes which were stripped off later in the routine to reveal itsy bitsy short see ya butt shakin dresses.
But if your daughter decide later on they want to take dance lessons don't be too frightened away, their are some good schools out there, if you have any doubts ask them if u can see a concert video and judge for yourself. My daughters costumes for eg. are long 60's style skirt with shirt, full length shirley temple style dresses, big baggy 'mc hammer pants' its all very modest and tasteful![]()