Victorian P Plate Laws - Effect. July '08

[Frandy]

Hey guys,
have a few questions, i contacted Vic Roads but they havent responded. A few people have told me about the new P1/P2 driving system coming in in july 08, and that you hold ur p1 plate for 1 year before goin thru a green p plate for another 3 years....

my question for today is

with the new P1 plate, the red one, will the age limit on this be 17 just like NSW, or do Vic still want to be annoying and keep us waiting to 18 for this, im just curious becuase i am 17 march nxt year, and when the rules come in ill be able to drive to school and take mates to and from school aswell...cause it is a 40 min bus ride, but a 20min car drive, which would mean 20 mins for sleep
i have searched around a bit, havnt found anything relating to the age of this at all...all i know is that there will not be any passenger restrictions or kerfews for the P1 plate at all...but u must have 120 hours of experience and hold ur L's fo 12 months before u can apply...thats all i have gotten out of it...if any1 knows this would be great

thanks guys!!

[stocky]

pretty sure its still 18

[Tom_1569]

To get anything clear from vicroads is bull****, just give up like i did and wait for them to actually bring them in, also remember steve bracks has ****ed off so theirs still a chance they wont come in.

Also whats with the laser :P

Cheers Tom

[azzfox]

I would love for the age to come down to 17. because I am so god damn sick of relying on public transport to go everywere.. especially seeing I live in the yarra valley. hence why im mostly on JC when im not at school or sleeping

[stocky]

the new laws are being put in place to restrict younger drivers even more than they are at the moment. giving licences to people at a younger age will just create the opposite effect.

[azkwazere]

Like an arrow tip, Stocky has a good point....

I cant see them lowering the driving age. The idea is to keep you young'ens on P's for as longs as humanly possible.

Its basically away for them to increase P's from 3 to 4 years and add a whole lot of funky new laws and restrictions. There trying to take the FUN out of driving.... ps. ITS WORKING!

Fags.

aZk.

[minux]

lol, most victorian male 18 year olds are a danger to the roads, if anything the age should increase until these guys actually have some maturity. It scares me when i meet a kid who comes across as a huge idiot, then goes on to tell you he has his licence. They need a mentality test that can either confirm or deny someone getting a licence. Thats what will fix the problem.

[Reaper]

Hey guys,
have a few questions, i contacted Vic Roads but they havent responded. A few people have told me about the new P1/P2 driving system coming in in july 08, and that you hold ur p1 plate for 1 year before goin thru a green p plate for another 3 years....

my question for today is

with the new P1 plate, the red one, will the age limit on this be 17 just like NSW, or do Vic still want to be annoying and keep us waiting to 18 for this, im just curious becuase i am 17 march nxt year, and when the rules come in ill be able to drive to school and take mates to and from school aswell...cause it is a 40 min bus ride, but a 20min car drive, which would mean 20 mins for sleep
i have searched around a bit, havnt found anything relating to the age of this at all...all i know is that there will not be any passenger restrictions or kerfews for the P1 plate at all...but u must have 120 hours of experience and hold ur L's fo 12 months before u can apply...thats all i have gotten out of it...if any1 knows this would be great

thanks guys!!

To my knowledge the age limit is still 18 like it should be.

Reaper

[helly]

All sates will have a P1/P2 licence system in the near future...

It is part of a slow but sure, national licensing system. One of the benefits of this will be that rules for P1/P2 drivers, will be uniform accross all states. ie speed limits. plate fixture methods etc. Until this happens most of the rules are a bit of a joke. It sdoen;t make sense that a bloke/young lady on their P2's from NSW (had licence at least a year) can only do 100 and then another person from SA/VIC/QLD etc with a licence for 2 mins, can fly along at the state speed limit 110 (in NSW anyway).

Once the new licences come in, things will be a whole lot simpler for everyone, especially when travelling long distances interstate!

You guys don't have P1's yet, so you don;t have the one strike and your out rule for speeding. You get done doing under 15 here, and lose your licence automatically for 3 months min.

Consider yourselves lucky, down there, I would, Yes! (As Yoda would say)

[immortality]

lol, most victorian male 18 year olds are a danger to the roads, if anything the age should increase until these guys actually have some maturity. It scares me when i meet a kid who comes across as a huge idiot, then goes on to tell you he has his licence. They need a mentality test that can either confirm or deny someone getting a licence. Thats what will fix the problem.

HA, they give learner licenses to 15year olds here! and you think you have problems over there. and here there are no restrictions on what they can drive either. we don't even have compulsary 3rd party insurance yet (there considering it in the near future)

the worst part is the people that complain when the cops chase em at high speed and they die. they finally realise (to late) that they can't actually control a car at high speed just before they hit something solid get thrown through the windscreen.

[Grennan]

To get anything clear from vicroads is bull****, just give up like i did and wait for them to actually bring them in, also remember steve bracks has ****ed off so theirs still a chance they wont come in.

Cheers Tom

The laws are already written up, they are bringing them in phases. The P plate restrictions this year was stage one, they wont be stopped.

And yes getting concrete information from VicRoads is impossible, the information changes 30 times a day.

the new laws are being put in place to restrict younger drivers even more than they are at the moment. giving licences to people at a younger age will just create the opposite effect.

BINGO. Why would they let 17 year olds on the road when they want 18 year olds off it?

[Troy711]

lol, most victorian male 18 year olds are a danger to the roads, if anything the age should increase until these guys actually have some maturity. It scares me when i meet a kid who comes across as a huge idiot, then goes on to tell you he has his licence. They need a mentality test that can either confirm or deny someone getting a licence. Thats what will fix the problem.

your system has a vital flaw. no matter how old some people are they will never grow up and wont ever have the brains to operate a car in a safe and reasonable manner

[HoldenMan7]

In WA, you get your L's at 16 and P's at 17, that suks how you gotta wait to 18 in VIC

[azzfox]

yeah it sucks, especially when you have friends over there that tease you the way I see it.. it doesnt matter what age you are able to drive solely, at some stage you are going to "test the cars limits" and find out what its capable of. I dont think vicroads will ever win.

[Sabbath']

lol, most victorian male 18 year olds are a danger to the roads, if anything the age should increase until these guys actually have some maturity. It scares me when i meet a kid who comes across as a huge idiot, then goes on to tell you he has his licence. They need a mentality test that can either confirm or deny someone getting a licence. Thats what will fix the problem.

What scares ME is when i serve an old person at work who has trouble seeing the money right in front of them and then jumps into a car and dodders off down the road cutting people off left right and centre because they're so far gone, or are getting so far gone that their mind isnt there anymore.

Atleast younger people make a conscious (not correct) decision to do what they do, instead of making lane changes randomly because they forget where they are, or weave all over the road.



If the government is serious about road safety, they would be looking at it on BOTH ends of the scale.

[myidwastaken]

Law will stay at 18. I don't see Vic joining SA's view anytime soon unfortunately.

[Grennan]

I for one am happy that it is at 18. I think 17 is to young. When i look back two-three years ago, my life was pretty much drinking every weekend and pulling stupid **** with mates. If i had my P plates when i was 17, theres a good chance i wouldve crashed the car and hurt myself and or others. Im sure when other people look back at their behaviour at 17, they would be seeing the same sorts of things.

[Frandy]

i got a reply from the email...it says that the age will not change, but it doesnt give a clear answer, becuase it seems the first line contradicts with some of the information below, so im am not sure.

Thank you for email.

There will be no changes to minimum licensing ages. You will be able to sit for your learner permit after you turn 16 and 18 for your probationary licence.

With regard whether you will be affected by the new graduated licensing system, will depend on when you get your permit or licence. You will be bound by the condition of the permit/licence at the time your permit/licence was issued. The minimum length of time you will have to hold your learner permit will depend on how old you are when you first get your learner permit and when you get your learner permit.

If you get your learner permit on of before 30 June 2007, you will need to comply with the current regulations. Under the current regulations, if you are aged under 25 years when you are issued with your learner permit, you will need to hold it for a minimum six months. And if you are aged 25 years and over when you are issued with your learner permit, you will need to hold it for a minimum of three months.

If you get your probationary licence on or after 1 July 2008, you will need to comply with the new Graduated Licensing System. The types of regulations that will apply to you will depend on your age at the time you receive your probationary licence.

Namely, people under the age of 21 years, applying for a probationary licence:
· Must hold a learner permit for a minimum 12 months;
· Must obtain a minimum 120 hours on-road supervised learner driving experience;
· Must go on to a minimum one year P1 licence, then graduate to a minimum three year P2 licence.

People aged 21 to 25 years will be required to hold their learner permit for a minimum of six months and then go directly on to a three year P2 licence.

People aged 25 years and over will be required to hold their learner permit for a minimum of three months and then go directly on to a minimum three year P2 licence.

The new P1 & P2 Probationary requirements will commence on 1 July 2008 and will only apply to people who obtain their probationary licence from July 2008. If you are already a probationary licence holder when the new P1 + P2 probationary licences come in then essentially nothing changes.

Anti-hoon legislation (involving vehicle impoundment for a range of unsafe driving offences), which was associated with the graduated licensing package, commenced on 1 July 2006. This applies to all drivers.

The new alcohol interlock rules, which will apply to drink drive offenders who are aged under 26 or hold a probationary licence, will commence in January 2007.

The new high powered vehicle restrictions will apply to all drivers issued a probationary licence from 1 July 2007. This means if you currently hold or are issued a probationary licence on or before 30 June 2007 then you will not be affected by the change in the high powered vehicle requirements. However if you are issued with a probationary licence on or after 1July 2007, then the new restrictions will apply.

There are no changes to the demerit points system as it applies to P Plate and L Plate drivers.

Detailed information about the new graduated licensing system is provided in the links below.

Graduated Licensing Fact Sheet
http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/do...LSA4_facts.pdf


Graduated Licensing Frequently Asked Questions
http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/do...GLSA4_FAQs.pdf

VicRoads Registration and Licensing.