Drug tests

[minux]

Should people on welfare be forced to take drug and alcohol tests on request to collect their dole money?

For me, i think they should. I do not know 1 person whose workplace cannot drug or alcohol test randomly. Our taxes pay for people on welfare, should they not have to go through the same rules as we do to collect our money?

I can just imagine how many people would be without the dole.....

[VZTHUNDER]

yes they should
it stops the ones not using the money wisely from getting it makign them think 2ce about it

[Rhino Racing]

I agree with you fully mate!
If i gotta pass a regular urine test to get paid.... then so can the person on the dole who is collecting tax money on a weekly basis. Seems fair to me!
I started a thread back in june or july about this and it caused a bit of a stir but it was lost during the great server crash & reload etc.
I had called it something like JOB + URINE TEST = $$$$ = Dole?
But cant find it on my comp atm.

[JD]

hell yeah, stop heaps of bdb's

[cxcxcxvcvcvc]

Im all for it!! but the problem with people like this is that once they get caught out they would get kicked of the dole and then most likely end up robbing someone who works for a living to support there habit although if they where caught out i spose they could always get sent up to rehab in order for there payments to continue

[Julie]

Hell yes they should I'd even go one step further and say when they test positive they should be locked up. If they have no money they are likely to steal o buy drugs so be proactive and lock them up b4 it happens drugs are illegal anyway so there would be just cause in locking them up.

[VL_5SPEED]

Yeh for sure. Its not nice knowing that our money is being spent on alcohol/drugs when it could be used for other important things. But being poor = depression. Most people aid there depression in alcohol and drugs... If they test positive they shouldnt be able to recieve payments until they are clean.

Hell yes they should I'd even go one step further and say when they test positive they should be locked up.

Yeh totally duuuuuuude!!!! Instead of rapists, murderers, thief's pedophiles etc we should lock up and fill our prisons with drug users because they get high!!!!
End the damn drug war!!!

[Lumps of cheese]

Absolutley.
I hate the fact that my hard earned taxes in some cases are going to fund some junkies habit.

[Bravotwozero]

I vote no simply because I'm not forced to take a drug test in order to receive a salary so why should anybody else? My sister receives welfare because she has a terminally ill child. Should she be subjected to drug screening as well?

[Tree cutter]

I voted yes because i believe a lot of people cannot get work because of their drug problems. If they are found to be drug or alcohol addicts then they should be sent to rehab to help them get back on the right track. Where i work the boss has had to sack or push people into leaving because they have had drug and alcohol problems. Normally the dope smokers are late to work every day because they could not be bothered getting out of bed on time and then they only work at half pace all day anyway. We had one bloke that used speed and he just trashed everything he drove and the people that issue us with our licences would not give him a licence and told the boss to get rid of him because he was a hazard to himself and everyone around him. Then there is the alco's who have days off with a hangover or come to work throw up and then fall asleep

[Patrio7]

I vote no simply because I'm not forced to take a drug test in order to receive a salary so why should anybody else? My sister receives welfare because she has a terminally ill child. Should she be subjected to drug screening as well?

in the mines people do receive drug and alcohol tests to ensure they are fit to work, and fair enough your sister is legitimate but what about people living off the dole and just using the majority of the money they receive for dubious purposes?

While such a system may seem unfair on your sister, the idea is the people who don't play by the book will be reeled in, so they have two choices, clean up or get nicked, as such while such testing would of course prove an inconvenience, she would at least have nothing to worry about with regards to the returned results.

in saying that, I'm for it.

[88GreenVN]

There will always be some people that will not work - full stop. Their life is an endless list of stuff ups and disappointments - to themselfs and their families. They can not get out of there rut they are in no matter what.

Cut the free money and they will cost the system more in other areas.

Hospital costs, police costs.....

[VLDavo]

Hell yes they should I'd even go one step further and say when they test positive they should be locked up. If they have no money they are likely to steal o buy drugs so be proactive and lock them up b4 it happens drugs are illegal anyway so there would be just cause in locking them up.

ok how about we lock up every pro footballer who has been caught with drugs or every person who has a full time job that tests positive to drugs or what about the pollys and so forth...thats a crock of sht mate.. wont solve a thing becasue there still gonna use and its easier to get drugs in jail then it is on the street

and as for every drug user who has no money is likley to go and rob someone is a crock of ****..lol there more likely to sell drugs to support there habbit lol

and i happen to be on centerlink not because i dont want a job its becasue i broke my neck 2 months ago and cant work and i dont feel i should be subjected to tests just so i can get money to live on

[GMHG3N]

whata stupid ****en post! gay as ****!

[minux]

ok how about we lock up every pro footballer who has been caught with drugs or every person who has a full time job that tests positive to drugs or what about the pollys and so forth...thats a crock of sht mate.. wont solve a thing becasue there still gonna use and its easier to get drugs in jail then it is on the street

and as for every drug user who has no money is likley to go and rob someone is a crock of ****..lol there more likely to sell drugs to support there habbit lol

and i happen to be on centerlink not because i dont want a job its becasue i broke my neck 2 months ago and cant work and i dont feel i should be subjected to tests just so i can get money to live on

They should be locked up too. Again as someone stated if you have nothing to hide what's the problem?

whata stupid ****en post! gay as ****!

About as stupid as you are?

Why do people always say something is as gay as? It is so childish.

[VLDavo]

They should be locked up too. Again as someone stated if you have nothing to hide what's the problem?
.

if push came to shove it was take a test or no money then id have no problem but its still an invasion of privacy. i mean people have real problems with drugs shouldnt just be locked up and the key thrown away becasue it doesnt solve anything..

if they test positive then they should be given food vouchers and so forth instead of an amount of money and have something along the lines of that and have to report to drug counceling or rehab to get them into the work force

and if you just lock em up and throw away the key it will cost more money out of everyones taxes to keep them locked up when the recources should be spent on locking up hardcore criminals.

[Low_VX_Taxi]

Im voting yes but as with VLdavo I beleive there should be vouchers for:

Food (do a deal with the all the large supermarkets)

Housing (person tells the govt. who they are renting off and cheques are made out directly to them)

Electricity/Water

This way they are able to continue living but will be more likely to look for a job to get things they like/want.

I want to point out tho this shouldnt be the case with people on a disability or carers pension, as they may have higher costs/not be able to find or get ANY work.

Another point is there are alot of people who are abusing the system, I know a guy who is perfectly able bodied but refuses to work because he cant find "the right job" FFS any job that pays the bills is the right job!!!!! The guy im talking about sits around drinking all day/night......

[VZTHUNDER]

you have some very good points.
vouchers are a good idea cause then they can get what they need and if they want more than can get a job

[Garth]

while im all for testing, i do belive it is a invasion of privacy.

i dotn see why seperating people on welfair and peopel who arnt on welfare is needed.

if drug tests are to be brought in, i beleive it should be for all population, those who work are not above the law simple as t hat.

ofcouse there are alway's circumstances where a drug test is required nd needed, but as for a general generic test for everyone on the dole, nah, i wont be voting yes for that,

[Grennan]

Bloody Oath they should. Tell me youve never passed Centerlink/Been into Centerlink and seen people there and thought yeah thats right off to the Pub/Bottle Shop/Local Druggie you go.

Instead of forcing them off the payments perhaps give them vouchers which forces them to provide the adequte nessaties (sp?) that the money was provided for.

[VLDavo]

Bloody Oath they should. Tell me youve never passed Centerlink/Been into Centerlink and seen people there and thought yeah thats right off to the Pub/Bottle Shop/Local Druggie you go.

Instead of forcing them off the payments perhaps give them vouchers which forces them to provide the adequte nessaties (sp?) that the money was provided for.

so if u ever fall on hard times ud be fine with people looking down there nose at you thinking your a drug addict and makeing u **** in a cup every fortnight just because your on welfare

[minux]

while im all for testing, i do belive it is a invasion of privacy.

i dotn see why seperating people on welfair and peopel who arnt on welfare is needed.

if drug tests are to be brought in, i beleive it should be for all population, those who work are not above the law simple as t hat.

ofcouse there are alway's circumstances where a drug test is required nd needed, but as for a general generic test for everyone on the dole, nah, i wont be voting yes for that,

A large portion of Australia's workers already can be subject to drug tests in the work place. These workers taxes help go towards the dole. These people receiving the dole should be subject to the same criteria.

so if u ever fall on hard times ud be fine with people looking down there nose at you thinking your a drug addict and makeing u **** in a cup every fortnight just because your on welfare

I have to **** in a cup just to get onto certain customers sites. Wouldn't phase me at all. I have nothing to hide and never will. I can't foresee me ever being on welfare though, so it will never be an issue.

[AttaBoy]

Wow - sh!t in a cup!!! Didn't know you have to do this I though you only need to p!ss.
How big is the cup??

If I had to do it, (Which I don't mind) I would need to ask for a big one.

[VL_5SPEED]

I think he said p!ss attaboy lol. I doubt they can trace drugs in your sh!t. Thats just ****ing gross lol.

[AttaBoy]

I think he said p!ss attaboy lol. I doubt they can trace drugs in your sh!t. Thats just ****ing gross lol.

Arhhh, ok so its p!ss. Sorry.