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'Overtaking attempt' caused horror family smash
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'Overtaking attempt' caused horror family smash - Yahoo!7 News
if you look at the image, yes the white thing is acctually a Commodore, of some description. Look at where they come from though, scary.
Just thought I'd post this as a constant reminder of what to be weary of when we're out cruising.
'Overtaking attempt' caused horror family smash
Police believe an overtaking attempt caused a horrific head-on smash that left four women from three generations of a family dead in an inferno on a New South Wales highway yesterday.
The women and a 22-year-old Penrith man were killed when their car went under a furniture truck driving in the opposite direction on the Kamilaroi Highway, in the state's north-west, about 4:15pm (AEDT).
The smash caused a blaze that engulfed the vehicles on a highway stretch five kilometres south of Baan Baa.
The family included a 70-year-old woman, her 47- and 44-year-old daughters and her 21-year-old granddaughter, all from Rooty Hill in western Sydney.
The male victim was the young woman's boyfriend. The truck driver was not injured.
It is believed the family was travelling home after visiting Moree.
Police Commander John Hartley says it is believed the driver was trying to overtake another car and misjudged the road.
"[It provides] a simple message to people, especially people travelling in the country," he said.
"That is, please don't overtake unless you really know you have plenty of room to overtake."
Commander Hartley says it is a tragic reminder to take extra care over the Christmas break.
"The fact is, you need to plan your trip," he said. "We are all in a hurry to get to places over that short period of time but it really is about arriving there safely."
A report will be prepared for the coroner.
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now their 21 year old grandaughter is included in the 16-24yrolds statistics going towards making a bigger statistic for hoons. Big crash to, some people have no clue on the roads
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that thing wedge under the trcuk is a commodore? :S
Tells it like it is.
A family dead and your first concern is who gets the statistics??? I can't believe some people....Originally Posted by M5VT2
Reaper
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NOT hard to avoid a f***ing truck........ i love the way u can read my mind reaper. just cos i havent typed it doesnt mean i dont feel for them. When i heard this news i was sitting with my mother and i actually got goose bumps. but yeh im also thinking about the statistics, if you were included in them and being judged for things that u havent done u wld be spewing too.
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These two weeks or so have been horror for the roads, and its only Monday of the second week. Hope people take this as a warning to be careful.
Tells it like it is.
I say again - people are dead and you are worried about statistics. Just to set your mind at rest, I don't think anybody will judge you on this accident which (i'm assuming) you had nothing to do with.
Reaper
Infidel Bear
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Seeing as how you were not there, you did not witness the accident nor are you a part of the investigating team, how do you know what happened enough to make a statement?
There is a million things that could have happened that caused this tragedy.
As for being judged, i fail to see how you are being judged, you weren't even driving the bloody car. Perhaps i am missing something here?
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
- Theodor Seuss Geisel
My understanding of it, from reading another report, is that the 22 yr old guy was driving with a trailer on the back of the car, aborted the misjudged overtaking move and car-trailer combo jack knifed into the truck. Not hooning, but perhaps lack of experience anyway.
Very sad, especially coming up to X-mas.
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minux- im talking about the younger generation of drivers being judged by statistics that are misleading,
reaper- im not worrying about it at all, im simply saying how daft the stats are. but i understand what your saying about me saying something about the stats when there have been lives lost. but i guess im just 'telling it like it is'...
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WTF?!?!
Went under a truck!!!! How extreme..... And idea how fast they're traveling?? I assume around 100km/h??
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hey guys and girls, I appreciate the moving of this to a more main stream part of the forum for all to discuss, but the reason I posted it in the JCCC NSW section was to remind our crew to take it easy on cruises because its that easy for something to go wrong (not that we need the reminder to).
When theres a story from NSW I always post it in the JCCC NSW section as they can be roads we take on one of our cruises.
But its good to read for once everyone saying the same thing, usually this sort of post ends up being a flame war.
Infidel Bear
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I once read a report done by Monash that stated 76% of head on collisions tat occur while overtaking occur in the ages of 17-25. It was done over 6 years or something, i guess the accidents tested had proven that inexperience can and does lead to a lot of accidents. When you think about how many accidents under 25's have it is quite a large percentage per capita.
Various groups do not just make up stats for the hell of it, they base them on factual evidence of relevant accidents.
All this aside, regardless of who it happens to, it is a tragedy.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
- Theodor Seuss Geisel
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yeah that was a BIG crash, only way i knew it was a commodore is the news reporter said so and let me tell you there was NOTHING left of the car under the truck, theres was panels and parts scattered everywhere- bloody devasating and i couldnt imagine the aguish their families would be feeling. just another reminder to take extreme car on the roads coz we're all sick to death of people dying on the roads- bloody hell!!
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i never said that the stats are incorrect and arent factual. however they ARE misleading despite what a monash study over 6 years and this % of this many people who had this many pets at home who had the same pair of pants as some bloke who use to work near monash university said.
The stats include passengers and pedestrians etc to scare younger drivers into safe driving and if it works then i guess its ok. but i personally am targeted as a younger driver and i can assure u those stats have something to do with it.
by personally targeted i mean, for example; i overtook a car on a road (legally) cos they car was doing 40 in a 60zone next thing i know this car is an inch off my bumper so i speed up to 70 to try get out his way, he still stays there so i start doing 60 again. im followed into a carpark and mature age blokes with baseball bats came at me telling me i was a f***ing hoon, "people like me cause crashes" etc.
I would like a study to show the public a stat of how many 16-24yrolds cause accidents. im sure it will be a bit higher than other groups but nothing like what the current manipulated stats show
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Stuff the sats and the bickering its just over a week to Christmas and 3 generations of one family are lost.As soon as i heard this it took me back to when i lost a friend from work from the same thing.It was almost a carbon copy of this accident.She died as well her sibling,mother,father and grand parent.From memory i think 6 died that day.They were traveling in a Mini van.My heart goes out to the family of the deceased.
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Every 1 in 7 people involved in a car accident are aged 16-25 which I do not consider that large.
And how many are driving? You can't argue that most family accidents will involve someone in that age group generally not driving... And that people in that age group will often carry more passengers (especially P platers) who will also be within that age group... As an example..The most common cause of death from 1 year olds to 15 year olds are car accidents... And they aren't driving.. They are all passengers or people hit by cars.
Also of that 1:7, how many are actually AT FAULT accidents? The ratio blows out further again in terms of how many are at fault.
They are also the most inexperienced drivers on the road... And they also drive often the older, unsafe cars lacking safety devices such as ABS and airbags. And they drive more in more questionable conditions (hills, night etc.).
All age groups have their idiot drivers, and the 16-25 year old age group always will have the most. But I don't believe it is as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
The elderly are by far the worst on the roads and if anything are underrepresented in statistics as they drive less, and theres much less of them.
This should be left for another thread though as the accident we should be talking about is very serious and a sad day for all their friends and family.
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Delusional is a word that comes to mind.
The stats are misleading? How. People in the 16-25 age group make up a disproportionate number of injuries and deaths on our roads. The total number of deaths of P plate drivers is the same as the total number of people killed who are aged 40-49. Do P platers do more 5 x more miles km this age group?
You bleat on about the female passenger's death counting in the stats for 16-25 year olds? What do you suggest should be done with the inconvenient statistic of this person dying? We dont hear the same bleating about how the elderly are going to be unfairly done by with the 70 year old woman who died in the same accident being lumped into the older people stats...........facts are they died and they both died before their time.
Where is evidence manipulated to tell us that younger groups cause accidents. AFAIK, we only hear that they are over represented, not who caused them. It could be the "old farts" that cause all the accidents, yet it is only the 16-25 who mysteriously come to crash.......it doesnt matter, the younger are more at risk.....that's why we are targeting them.
I have heard many young people tell me about fender benders where it "wasnt their fault", and as they describe the accident it sounds like that maybe was so......but they were the ones who got themselves tangled up in the collision through failure to be careful, slow down enough near intersections to allow for errors from others etc.
This collision that occurred while attempting overtaking is of concern. There isn’t any part of the driving test where one is examined on judgment in highway overtaking etc, so consequently it’s not covered in learner driver training. I suppose its easy to understand why.......it is a manoeuvre where getting it wrong means a certain collision. However, this doesnt leave our young drivers well prepared here..........simulators would be of great benefit here.
Last edited by commsirac; 18-12-2007 at 06:21 AM.
mmmm beer....
They have simulators here in NSW, but they are slow and misleading and completly useless.
I would prefer to see better training courses avaliable for all drivers.
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IM NOT SAYING YOUNGER DRIVERS ARE THE BEST AND ARE NEVER AT FAULT. im simply saying i think it is bulls*** that even if a 16 year old is WALKING down the road and they are killed by a car, they go into the stats as a 16-24yrold that was involved in an accident. Those same f***ing stats that get shoved infront of us every other night on the news telling us how bad drivers we as a younger group are. that is totally f****d. how can u say that those stats are anything but misleading????? tell me how? please tell me becuase it will have to be one hell of a story that u sling to somehow convince me those stats are not misleading. they are factual but are misleading
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? maybe , just maybe because you fall into the stats that show you as a "safe" driver you dont give a toss about the stats i fall into. all that proves is ignorance. Your happy to sit there and have the 16-24yrolds judged by stats that are CLEARLY misleading.
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how does that misrepresent young drivers though?
a 50 year old pedestrian killed would also be included. in fact many pedestrian deaths are elderly people.
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Yes very true but do they show those stats of the 50year old on the news 1978636282396274 times per week???? i dont think so. like i KEEP SAYING the stats are misleading.
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COS THEY ARENT DRIVING!!! duh
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hang on. if 16 year old pedestrians killed are included in the stats, and 50 year olds as well, then doesn't it all work out equal? how does that mean young people get misrepresented?
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