Problem with Trim/Tilt on Outboard Motor...???

[GOTMYN]

Hi Everyone,

I was outside today, getting the Boat ready to take my young Fella for a fish tonight......However, when i went to Tilt the engine down, it went very very slowly, almost Groaning..... and Upward was quick and responsive as usual....
After running it quickly up, then Groaning down........ it began to speed up a bit and become normal, however, I left it for an hour while I prepared other things, and when I checked it again, it now does not Tilt down at all????
No Click from the solenoid, or anything.... and because the motor is all the way up, the Boat is now useless.......

Battery is fully charged, and I have checked all connections and terminals....

Any Ideas anyone???? Any info or past experience would be greatly appreciated....

[GOTMYN]

Update, Now it will not go up or down!!
solenoid clicks when selecting upwards, but silence when selecting downwards......????????

[1vngal]

My dad's an outboard mechanic, and has been for as long as I can remember! I'll get him to have a look at this thread and see if he can help you.

[GOTMYN]

My dad's an outboard mechanic, and has been for as long as I can remember! I'll get him to have a look at this thread and see if he can help you.

That would be awesome... Really appreciate your help.

Ive taken blue and green wire off solenoid and bridged to +Battery power seperately to see what happened..., and the tilt worked upwards once, but will not fire again!!??

[ProphetVX]

When was the last time you bled the trim fluid?

If it's too old it could have seized. There should be two bleeding screws on the trim motor. To bleed it though the trim motor needs to be operational, so it may be the motor itself by the sound of it.

Have you checked all the wiring to the motor? I know it may sound stupid but we all know easy it is for the stuff to rust in salt water, it could be a dodgy connection, some motors have a separate harness to the mains power for the trim motor.

[GOTMYN]

When was the last time you bled the trim fluid?

If it's too old it could have seized. There should be two bleeding screws on the trim motor. To bleed it though the trim motor needs to be operational, so it may be the motor itself by the sound of it.

Have you checked all the wiring to the motor? I know it may sound stupid but we all know easy it is for the stuff to rust in salt water, it could be a dodgy connection, some motors have a separate harness to the mains power for the trim motor.

Thanx Mate, All wiring is well insulated and in good order, It was all working on Monday!! I was out in it all day without a problem..... I just pulled the motor off the pump, and found a broken wire inside, probably not the cause, but still something to try, It is also in fairly bad shape, Armature is oily, and covered in burn't type gum...??? Check out the pic's..... Brush's are fairly worn also...

[1vngal]

What model of Evinrude is it?

[GOTMYN]

What model of Evinrude is it?

1976 135hp... Need a number or something??

[1vngal]

First of all, there is only one solonoid for the up travel, it doesn't use a solonoid for going down. If you've had the electric motor apart, and it seems to check out ok, then you have to remove the top bolt out of the port-side ram and then see if the motor will lift up and down. Because the port-side rams get water in them and seize. And they are very expensive to fix.

The port side ram only works from all way down to part way up and then the starboard ram lifts it all the way up. You used to be able to buy kit thing to repair it, but I'm not sure. Spare parts may or may not be available for it.

So there ya go. It may be the problem, it may not be. But this is what dad said is very common in these. He relayed this to me over the phone, so I've typed it the best i could. Any more questions, just ask.

[GOTMYN]

First of all, there is only one solonoid for the up travel, it doesn't use a solonoid for going down. If you've had the electric motor apart, and it seems to check out ok, then you have to remove the top bolt out of the port-side ram and then see if the motor will lift up and down. Because the port-side rams get water in them and seize. And they are very expensive to fix.

The port side ram only works from all way down to part way up and then the starboard ram lifts it all the way up. You used to be able to buy kit thing to repair it, but I'm not sure. Spare parts may or may not be available for it.

Thanx a million, I will hit it first thing tomorrow and see what happens, I have bridged a new piece if 6mm wire across broken section in motor, and given it a huge clean, also used a Stanley blade to scrape out carbon from Armature where brush's run.....I will put motor back and see what happens, then attempt what you have said.

Thanx again for your time..

[GOTMYN]

Ok, I put it all back together, and hit the switch for the first time, and the Tilt/Trim really flies now, sounds very healthy, and is responsive and quick....

Although, I will check the Port side ram for water, thanks 1vngal for all your help and making the effort to ask your dad....

[GOTMYN]

OK, I have another question for anyone that knows....

I had to do a headgasket a few months ago, and when I pulled the head off, it had another cover on it for the water jackets, so I pulled that off as well, and when I did, I found it to be full of sand!! The boat has been running well since, but I will be taking it to Echuca in four weeks, so i pulled the cover off the other Head, and it is full of sand also!!

My question is, is this normal?? I find it very surprising that it is not overheating because of this!!

Has anyone come across this before? and how can i stop it from happening again??

[GOTMYN]

This is what it looks like cleaned, you can see the The water channels that pretty much didn't exist!!

[maginoodle]

looks like it has been driven into the sand and the water pump has sucked it in. only way to stop it is not to go in shallow water. for a motor that old it would be common.

[GOTMYN]

Yeh that is a fair call, but the motor was reco a couple of years ago, so it has happened since then!! Ive never had it in shellow water where it has hit the sand, and before that it lived on the Murray river! It must collect in there from the water!! Not a good design!!

[maginoodle]

the dirty water of the murray would do it. i always stick my outboard in a drum of clean water and run it for a while to clean all the water jackets out.

[GOTMYN]

the dirty water of the murray would do it. i always stick my outboard in a drum of clean water and run it for a while to clean all the water jackets out.

Yeh, now come to think of it... the Murray has heaps of sandy beaches....
Totally slipped my mind...lol

Oh well, all cleaned out now, just got to get a new gasket and put back together.....

I always flush my engine every time I use it!!

On the subject of the cooling system, would you know whats involved in replacing the Impeller (water Pump) ? I would like to do it if it's not too complicated....

[GOTMYN]

I have googled the impeller, but havn't come up with much detail.
Anyone know if its worth doing, or just put it in at a Workshop?