my first car, what to get?

[sv9946]

well technically not my first car, but here we go anyway.

i'm 17 and roughly 3 months old atm, i left school when i was 15 to work at my perents car dealership as an apprentice mechanic. ever since i've worked as much OT as i could. fitted stereo's and **** of a weekend and bought and sold cars to make money so i could buy myself a good car, save money for a house deposit etc etc.

my dream was to always buy a v8 manual ute and place it in our business name, which would allow me to drive it as a work allocated vehicle. however since then victoria have changed they're rules with work allocated vechicles to be during working hours only, doesn't matter if it was to be used for 24 hour breakdowns etc etc. this would be absolutely usless to me then, because guess what? during working hours i'm always working

they have also changed the 125km/tonne rule, so i can't no longer have the idea of driving a 5 litre either. basically i'm screwed with that plan in everyway possible. anyone who knows me, knows i like to go fast. hence previously owning 4 5 litres, 1 vl turbo, 1 s/c v6 vs calais etc etc plus a pleathora of quick motorbikes. so i have no plan in keeping this vehicle any longer than the 4 years until i can get a v8/turbo 6 etc

so for that reason, re-sale is obviously a big thing. been in the industry i can get my vehicles fairly cheap, and sell at any time so that does help. don't think i'm some screw lose teenage moron, not the case. so far i've been doing well in my apprenticeship, and i'm ahead. i don't drink (last drink was one 2 weeks ago at a family party, then none for 6 months before that, possibly more) i do have brains, and have absolutely no intrest is using the v8 power inside of a town, or where any other people are present. i have booked in for a defensive driving course, and have done several driving lessons. i have not, and never will take drugs. i have driven high performance vehicles all the time on my l's, and know my limits.

i hate the alloytech 6 cylinders, sure i know i'm going to get it about how they are the quickest holden 6 yet, but no torque in the low rpm range wher the majority of the engine time is spent, i.e taking off from traffic lights extra. only at high rpm does it have any resonable power. i have considered buying a vs v6 5spd manual ute (must be manual, whatever i get) as this would have very little depreciation, and hence i wouldn't be losing money on a ute i have no plan/desire to keep any longer than necessary.

however, my perents want to buy me a new vehicle with safety features, and late model so it looks good for our business. after-all if i drive a vs, it gives our customers no encouragement to upgrade either. whilst them buying me a car/ute is great, i don't beleive in depreciating money on something i hate, be that my money or someone else's.

i have also considered buying a 6 cyl falcon ute (BF mk 2), but i only like them for they're torqiuer 6. hence i can't see the point in that idea. because when the new orion comes out in the next few months, they will depricate insanely. other idea's have been a new common rail 4wd diesel rodeo (i live ruraly, plus with a tray i could cart my motorbike etc etc), but if i buy a 4wd i want to use it for a 4wd, and i can't see myself driving a new immaculate 4wd ute down the bush tracks and that. so it makes no sense either.

my only idea so far is to buy a almost new mazda rx-8 (which is legal for me), i know its not a ute, nor a v8. but i like them a lot, plus the rotary has a bit of poke about it.

perents really wanna buy me a manual ve sv6 ute, and i'm greatful of them wanting to do that, but i see it as a waste of money. i hate the ve ute (for multiple reasons), hate the alloytech engine, hate the **** japanese gearbox, and hate the stupid uninspiring diff ratio.

basically, i'm asking for some people's opinions on what to buy, considering my job etc etc

[HoldenMan7]

Hey Mate

Y not look into getting say a VT or VX manual V6 for now, if you can get one cheap that is and keep it until you can get a V8.... You can get VT's for as low as 5k ive seen them in the paper so yeah, they look good, and get one with metalic paint give it a polish and it'll look new hehe....

[f1tzy]

You say the alloytec is torqueless yet the RX-8 is far from being torque laden. Where is peak torque reached on the rx8? 5000 - 6000ish? Unless your gonna be taking off with some 4000 revs from every set of lights the alloytec will be better

[f1tzy]

And why not just change the diff ratio?

[Starkey]

you say first car yet you also say "hence previously owning 4 5 litres, 1 vl turbo, 1 s/c v6 vs calais etc etc plus a pleathora of quick motorbikes"

[Ripcell]

youde be better off getting something with an alloytec in it over an ancient 5ltr motor, the torque curb on the alloytec is a lot flatter than a wicked 165kw 5ltr with its wicked awesome pushrods and no vvt. you would be getting more power and better fuel economy out of an alloytec and it would still be p plate legal.

if you want torque then go get a straight 6 ba, lots more torque, pulls across the entire rev range with the 6 speed zs auto if its pull you want, they chop and pos 5ltr

anyway stop complaining about pathetic things like that, i was fortunate enough to buy an 02 vx when i was 17, it was 2 yrs old, most people have a crap old vn or vs or something relic like that for a first car, go buy a vn, thus you will appreciate getting something newish later

[sv9946]

firstly i guessed this was gunna end up a blood bash. sorry guys i hate alloytech's, such poor engines for the money spent developing them

i did say first car, and yes i have owned a few before, thats why i said well technically not my first car at the start of my thread. i bought these cars as it gave me something to work and learn on whilst doing my apprenticeship, and learnt to appreciate and respect cars, and they will look after you. plus i made money out of them and all i did was work on them on my weekends. look in the my ride section, then vr-vs, and look at the pics of my old vs 185i senator, then tell me i can't appreciate a car.

ripcell, i've owned a vn - 2 actually. and i said i'm thankful to be able to afford a brand new car, however as i said i don't want to depriciate money on a 6cyl car i hate, when my primary intention is to sell it after 4 years and buy a good car, whatever money i depricate on this 6cyl car i buy now, is the amount i'm further away from owning my v8 then. also ripcell, whilst i can appreciate the 5 litre is dinosaur technology now, after the new oxy sensor, plugs, lead's, distributor cap and rotor button i was getting 9.1l/100km with a good 3 hour highway run and then an hour and a half driving round melb city when i sold it. have not yet been able to better that with any alloytech yet, and dad owns a car yard so i've driven quite a few to compare (however i'm not all that stressed about fuel). also, every alloytech i put my 5.0 up against whilst owning it wouldn't beat it, sorry there mate. nothing really wrong with pushrods either mate, lots of people running faster cars than yours still use them

if i changed the diff ratio on a alloytech fitzt, then driving on the highway (which would be at least 70% of what i do, living rural like i do) fuel economy would suffer a bit, plus thats more money i depriciate to have less to spend on a v8 later

also the rx-8 isn't torque ladden either, as you say. but they are a little lighter, and a hell of a lot more fun to drive. if i had to take either cars with no torque, i'd definately take an rx-8 over an alloytech.

don't really want a falcon, gotta love they're 6 and gearboxes and that, but thats about it. plus when the new orion comes out, down go the resales massively of ba's and bf's. also i beleive the 6spd auto was only in the bf's, but maybe they were in ba mk 2's as an option. but i don't care, i won't be having an auto

anyway, rather than cause a flaming session, might just decide by myself quietly, sorry i'm not allowed to have any opinion's

[Torquen]

iv got a vs 5speed manual V6. cant rate them highly enough for a tipicly sligish engine. iv owned both a manual and auto vs v6 and the manual (while not being QUICK by any meens) is very fun 2 drive and as you said wont depricate alot in value.
just my 2 cents. feel free 2 PM for any more info.

[Marco-EFIVL]

I'm going to get pounded in the @ss for this...

Buy a Skyline matey...

[HoldenMan7]

I'm going to get pounded in the @ss for this...

Buy a Skyline matey...

Narr stay away from them, hahaha jokes

[J_D]

If you are worried about depreciation I wouldnt buy a Falcon as they depreciate very quickly. If you were assessing the Falcon vs Commodore based purely on resale value then the Commodore usually wins out. If you want low down torque then a diesel would appear to be your only real option that is within the law and diesel utes tend not to depreciate as badly as sedans either. A 2WD diesel ute would fit the bill for what you require at the moment and wouldnt lose too much money in depreciation in the coming years.

[vlv8vic]

Get yourself a Datsun Stanza. Best first car you could get. In fact if you have save enough buy two for when you stack the first one. Mine never missed a beat.

[Emackulation]

Honda Civic man, those things are awesome.

[matty88]

Laser

Don't ask why though

[AirStrike]

You say the alloytec is torqueless yet the RX-8 is far from being torque laden. Where is peak torque reached on the rx8? 5000 - 6000ish? Unless your gonna be taking off with some 4000 revs from every set of lights the alloytec will be better

Max torque is 5500rpm on the RX8. If you have never owned or driven a rotor you can't comment on them, totally different to drive. All you do is keep them up in the powerband.

[calais_304]

Max torque is 5500rpm on the RX8. If you have never owned or driven a rotor you can't comment on them, totally different to drive. All you do is keep them up in the powerband.

saw the rx8 on top gear last night, they had it compared with some jag (can't remember) and the audi TT, i was quite surprised to say the least the rx8 did very well especially on the track. and being RWD just tops the cake
(if you want to see it look on you tube 99% positive it would be on there)

just a suggestion...what about a honda prelude? they go pretty well against the 5L up to 100km/h

[AirStrike]

saw the rx8 on top gear last night, they had it compared with some jag (can't remember) and the audi TT, i was quite surprised to say the least the rx8 did very well especially on the track. and being RWD just tops the cake
(if you want to see it look on you tube 99% positive it would be on there)

just a suggestion...what about a honda prelude? they go pretty well against the 5L up to 100km/h

Was an Alfa not a Jag.

[calais_304]

Was an Alfa not a Jag.

damn was to...remember what sort of alfa? looked pretty sexy

[Marco-EFIVL]

Brera.. And it had more body roll than the michelin man....

Italian piece of crap, and that's coming from a wog...

[AirStrike]

damn was to...remember what sort of alfa? looked pretty sexy

Was a Brera.

[Cobez]

Laser

Don't ask why though

Don't drag him down bubble boy!! *glares*

[Rishy]

Don't drag him down bubble boy!! *glares*

LOL ROFLMAO!!!!

[Burnout_bro]

out of all those things you have mentioned why not get a vy s pac ute or a vu s pac ute? nice looking still newish, wont depreciate much still a holden and not an alloytech. problem solved. 67 rep points for me.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

youde be better off getting something with an alloytec in it over an ancient 5ltr motor, the torque curb on the alloytec is a lot flatter than a wicked 165kw 5ltr with its wicked awesome pushrods and no vvt.

Correct me if i'm wrong here Einstein, but don't you drive a Squeakotec with it's wicked awesome pushrods and no VVT?? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones......I would (and many people on this site for that matter) take a VN/VP 5 litre anyday over a Heavy arse VX V6!

For the record, it's torque curve not torque curb!

[sv9946]

hahaha i was going to inform ripcell last night myself how his car has pushrodss and no vvt, but i thought i'd already picked on his comment enough, and hence would let someone else tell him. to think i almost gave up about 10 mins before you posted thinking no-one had realised, lol.

but more seriously ripcell, i'm a mechanic so i know all the things u mentioned. and argee with some to a certain degree. but having vvt and twin ohc and all that is not always such an advantage as it is made out to be. how many of the early buick v6's in america run crazy quick time slips, and i'm sure they didn't spend billions engineering custom ohc setup's on them to advoid pushrods. the vs 5l i had ****ed all over every alloytech i've driven for fuel economy, power when overtaking, especially in low down torque, etc etc.

atm i'm probably thinking a manual v6 ute in either a vs, vu, or vy. falcons aren't really considered, because they have crap resale and as i said i only really like them for they're driveline when compared to say a vz ute. otherwise i might just go the rx-8 for the true drivers car. will see what happens, but i don't really wanna go back to an old car as such, i like the new car's renfinement. i know i'm difficult, but i just want to ensure i don't loose much money on whatever i buy, cause as i've said i plan to sell it asap. whatever i don't loose leaves me more money for a house deposit or mods to new ute or whatever

anyway, i'll see what happens