Women urinated on at Police concert

[Kikki]

A PERTH man has slammed security at The Police concert on Friday night after three women were urinated on during the show.

Chris Larsen said he was appalled when security staff refused to intervene and speak to the alleged offenders - six drunken men aged in their 20s - because they did not have radios to contact other officers for back-up.

Mr Larsen said what was meant to be a social night out at Members Equity Stadium soured when his girlfriend, girlfriend's mother and another female friend were urinated on.

He said the men had been sitting behind them in the premium $250-a-seat area.

"Ten minutes from the end they started urinating on us and were urinating on the girls in our group,'' Mr Larsen said. "It was all over their clothes. It reeked.''

Mr Larsen said he called the security officers over to help, but they told him they were unable to call for back-up because they did not have radios.

"There was a total lack of security,'' he said.

"It's OK to have the numbers but they couldn't even speak to each other to call for backup.

"If you get into trouble what are you going to do. They were more like ushers, not security.

"I live in the city and I'm fed up with this kind of behaviour. For three grown women, two of them in their 60s, to be urinated on, it just beggars belief.

"We went to see a nice concert, not to get ****ed on.''

The Sunday Times attempted to contact Members Equity Stadium and the band's promoter Frontier Touring yesterday for comment, but the calls were not returned by deadline.

That is bloody feral, what would make you WANT to **** on a couple of 60 year old woman.... I swear there are way to many stupid people in this world.

[nicko]

Blokes like that need to be thumped, serurity did nothing and thats a joke but its also an opening for someone to smack these jerks p****** on women. i wouldnt be suprised to find that someone did sort them out though

[DANNY8]

At the servo I work at, when the 'panic' button gets pushed, apparently when security come they just wait outside for the police to rock up. The security guy said all they do is take note of wats going on inside, get details of everything, to use as evidence. I thought that was pretty stupid, but I don't think our security gaurds even carry guns here so I guess if I was in their shoes I wouldn't wanna try and get involved either.

But yeah those security guards should of definitely tried to stop the drunks....they were prolly more worried about getting pi$$ on them rather then doing their job.

[calais_304]

But yeah those security guards should of definitely tried to stop the drunks....they were prolly more worried about getting pi$$ on them rather then doing their job.

you know they would be able to do something, problem is everytime they do society's heart starts to bleed and security person ends up in court...(close friend is a secky and from what he tells me theres nothing they can do anymore except for watch and report to police).

[minux]

you know they would be able to do something, problem is everytime they do society's heart starts to bleed and security person ends up in court...(close friend is a secky and from what he tells me theres nothing they can do anymore except for watch and report to police).

Just look at BDO, they stopped people climbing structures. Some got hurt, the security had to get heavy handed. Apparently it isn't the wankers faults trying to climb these structures that they got hurt, it is the security guys fault.

Society has become so soft that if anyone does anything you end up getting into trouble for it.

[calais_304]

Society has become so soft that if anyone does anything you end up getting into trouble for it.

even the police are targets for this and thats the most disgusting part. lol i'd love to see australia go under military rule for a few years...just might do some good.

[jules]

call me cynical but i notice that when people are doing stuff that affects revenue generation, e.g. climbing fences to gain entry to a venue, security seem to be briefed for quick and forceful action.

yet when some poor woman is getting urinated on, suddently the silk gloves are put on and 'nothing can be done'.

in my view it comes down to what security are really there for, and it's often not for your protection.

[Grennan]

Its funny, when i did Trolley Pushing as a job when i was 15, we used to have our breaks in the security room, and that was our area that we could stash our bags etc. When people from say Safeway for example (Woolworths for those reading Interstate) called security to say "Theres man causing trouble in the bottle shop come deal with him..." they would wait 30 minutes before even answering it/going to the bottle shop. They would hear the call and do nothing. It was also funny when a shop such as Safeway would ring saying "Come restrain this teenager/kid, he was shoplifting" As soon as the word KID or TEENAGER was mentioned they ran to the scene to act like heroes. Moment its someone their own age/size they are nowhere to be seen.

Its a bit different in places like pubs and clubs were the security are a lot better than the local shopping centers but, its interesting nontheless.

[calais_304]

Its funny, when i did Trolley Pushing as a job when i was 15, we used to have our breaks in the security room, and that was our area that we could stash our bags etc. When people from say Safeway for example (Woolworths for those reading Interstate) called security to say "Theres man causing trouble in the bottle shop come deal with him..." they would wait 30 minutes before even answering it/going to the bottle shop. They would hear the call and do nothing. It was also funny when a shop such as Safeway would ring saying "Come restrain this teenager/kid, he was shoplifting" As soon as the word KID or TEENAGER was mentioned they ran to the scene to act like heroes. Moment its someone their own age/size they are nowhere to be seen.

it's no suprise, when i found out my mate was doing security i thought cool wonder what he knows now (in regards to hand to hand combat) and i was shocked beyond all belief to find out that they don't have to have any hand-hand combat training under them....how bloody stupid is that!!!

[minux]

it's no suprise, when i found out my mate was doing security i thought cool wonder what he knows now (in regards to hand to hand combat) and i was shocked beyond all belief to find out that they don't have to have any hand-hand combat training under them....how bloody stupid is that!!!

Erm, what do youe xpect?

They are security guards, not soldiers lol...

[Kikki]

My Ex was a security guard and was taught how to defend himself, also taught how to aprehend someone and hold them.... That was a few years ago now, So whatever happened to that?

[calais_304]

Erm, what do youe xpect?

They are security guards, not soldiers lol...

but still if your there to secure an area you should at least know how to hold your own...or put someone into submission till the police arrive. at least make them go through a 2 week boxing course and a 2 week ju-jitsu course, wont make them fighters but it will give them an idea and uderstanding on how to hold someone without causing injury...minimal injury anyway

anyway minux your onto it, there not soldiers but.....ahh stuff it

[minux]

My Ex was a security guard and was taught how to defend himself, also taught how to aprehend someone and hold them.... That was a few years ago now, So whatever happened to that?

Security training has always been just basics.

besides, all you do now is get a licence. It is up to the person holding that licence to train themselves. That being said, from what i understand in most state laws is that a security person cannot apprehend or assault any member of the public. Maybe i am wrong.

[Kikki]

Well then whats the friggen point of them then? Thats just stupid..... We have a 1300 number here we can call for SecureWatch and they come to check out whats going on, rather than calling the police for a couple of noisy drunk teens walking down the road at 3am etc, I wont be calling them again if they cant do anything.

[calais_304]

Well then whats the friggen point of them then? Thats just stupid..... We have a 1300 number here we can call for SecureWatch and they come to check out whats going on, rather than calling the police for a couple of noisy drunk teens walking down the road at 3am etc, I wont be calling them again if they cant do anything.

lol i think thats why our unemployment is at it's best...creating jobs that serve no purpose

[minux]

Well then whats the friggen point of them then? Thats just stupid..... We have a 1300 number here we can call for SecureWatch and they come to check out whats going on, rather than calling the police for a couple of noisy drunk teens walking down the road at 3am etc, I wont be calling them again if they cant do anything.

Presence of people can be a big deterrent. Thats all i see security as. Yet to meet a security guard that has made me feel unwelcomed or "scared".

[Kikki]

lol i think thats why our unemployment is at it's best...creating jobs that serve no purpose

Think you may be onto something there...

[VLDavo]

Security training has always been just basics.

besides, all you do now is get a licence. It is up to the person holding that licence to train themselves. That being said, from what i understand in most state laws is that a security person cannot apprehend or assault any member of the public. Maybe i am wrong.

there allowed to detain someone until said police officer arives or escort someone from a building .... but there not allowed to throw a punch or really get into it....

lol i know a few of my mates who have a security licence and one of em works at a local club...

and i mean its a joke u could walk over half of the bouncers ... whatever happened to the ex boxers and massive 6 foot 5 muscle bound people who actualy would put the fear into u not to do anything stupid coz u knew that u would get hurt or a swift kick in the ass if played up

[vt1538]

... whatever happened to the ex boxers and massive 6 foot 5 muscle bound people who actualy would put the fear into u not to do anything stupid coz u knew that u would get hurt or a swift kick in the ass if played up

They were the sort of people that had the god complex & caused more harm than good. Though in this case I think they would of been justified.

[Sabbath']

I'd say good on half the "Security" at the shopping centre i work at are over 35 and half of that number would be asked to buy two seats if they ever wanted to fly anywhere...if you catch my drift.

They are just there for visual effect, none of them would be any use if any real action broke out.

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

The security guards at a couple of our major shopping centres down here are more of a deterrent than a reactive force. They walk around in the white shirts with 45 badges and 27 key chains acting all important, but as soon as one has to run to catch anyone they take two steps and are buggered. The only way they can detain anyone is to sit on them. 150kgs is a lot to budge when you're a scrawny kid.

I agree with licensed premises' security though. A prerequisite is to be able to fight. A lot of kick boxers are bouncers down here.

[levymetal]

I once had trouble at Highpoint shopping centre, my girlfriends little sister (13 years old) once had a fight with someone over the internet, and we saw her there with about 15 other (huge) girls. They started pushing her (inside highpoint), so I kindly told them to **** off and they started pushing me around. Sure, they were girls, but what could I do? I'm only 55kgs so obviously I can't stand my ground physically very well. I went and got security, it was a lady and she just walked off in the other direction when I told her what was happening. 5 minutes later she returned, put her arm around the biggest of the girls and had a chat for 5-10 minutes with her. This chat involved smiling, laughing, so I'm guessing they knew each other and just had a nice little talk. No one got in trouble.

[evil_monkey]

when i was a kid i saw chubb security acting all hardcore i rolled up at a maccaas car park n this chubb hyundai excell flew into the drive and screetched to a halt i said to my mum jeese they must be hungry, then like 30 seconds later they are dragging this guy out slamming him to the ground and cuffing him then another gaurd walks out carrying a huge shotgun, guy was trying to hold up the maccas cops didnt show up for ages later

[Kikki]

We NEARLY got held up, its not a nice feeling standing inside a maccas store watching a guy shuv a rifle in a womans face to take her bag out in the car park knowing there is nothing you can do but press a button. The only reason he didnt get inside was because at Ascot maccas we lock the doors at 10pm (although drive thru is 24/7) They did have security at one stage but knowing there was really nothing they could do in that situation, they had to change it. I still dont get it, if security can do nothing then why have them.

[Sami]

Presence of people can be a big deterrent. Thats all i see security as. Yet to meet a security guard that has made me feel unwelcomed or "scared".

If you go somewhere that genuinely needs security though, you'll know it. I work at a mint (as in, making money, gold bars, etc.) and the guards there are mostly ex military guys who aren't anything like the security guards mentioned in this thread, these guys are tuff as... that's why it's the most secure mint in the world literally

When it comes down to it, there are always people who are good at their job and people who aren't.