VE Commdore Diesel Confirmed

[minux]

VE Commodore diesel confirmed(from caradvice.com.au)

Finally, a V6 turbo diesel is scheduled for an Aussie-built family car. The VE Commodore has today been confirmed as the first to receive the diesel treatment within the next 18 months.

The engine, developed jointly with VM Motori in Italy will see life in all manner of GM products from Opel, through Holden, and even in to Hummer’s H3 (about time!) though is not expected to appear in VE until early 2009.
Dubbed V6 VMM, the diesel will share the lime light with a bigger version (mainly squared at GMC trucks) which boasts 4.5 litre capacity and producing 700Nm.
There is at this stage no word on capacity and spec of the VE’s diesel, but rest assured, we’ll keep you posted.

[Spaced]

After a couple of goes they got the Diesel astras going fine. Hopefully they release the diesels being compatible with bio diesel.

[Troy711]

that sports wagon looks tits, id get one over a ute any day

[Full Spectrum]

Never been a diesel fan, But times change and they are growing on me.
Load one up with around 170kw and 450Nm that runs around @ 6-7L/100 and we have a winner.

[VL_5SPEED]

That is one of the ugliest cars I have ever seen in my life.

[1991_Vn2nV]

That is one of the ugliest cars I have ever seen in my life.

And yet you own a VL... just jokes.

[Godsmack]

And yet you own a VL... just jokes.

LOL, u beat me 2 it...

[VL_5SPEED]

Well what do you expect? A owner of a VN and VE, both ugly ass cars :P

[Void]

here's the problem
In australia we dont have a bio diesel fuel that will meet the euro emmision laws which these engines will be designed for.
so that rules bio diesel out of the question...
No bio diesel in australia even comes close to euro emmision requirements
As p[erusal Australia is The backwards country for technology and Enviroment concerns

[Spaced]

If the states can do it, can't see how we can't. Not like they're an exceptionally bright country

[Grennan]

I can see this thing making some good sales for Holden. A Diesel, large family car, with the great space of the wagon.

[calais_304]

Looks nice as, i'd defiently consider one if they prove to be a good car.

[Troy711]

If the states can do it, can't see how we can't. Not like they're an exceptionally bright country

darn toot'n arr he-yuk

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

The problem with diesel technology in Australia is that it is predominately for the transport and agriculture industries. It is not refined enough to be used in a European engine. If you put Euro diesel into an Australian diesel powered car, it would probably run like a pig. Most fuel in Australia isn't as good as European fuels.

[Void]

as stated diesel fuel is only a industrial refined fuel in australia

BP have come close to getting it at euro standars but were unable to get their
Rember guys everything costs money. , so i asume new diesel plants would need to be built new silos for storage
and unless a high demand is present then its not worth the companys to bother doing it

[CSP]

Most fuel in Australia isn't as good as European fuels.

This has got to be the most rediculous statement I've seen in a LONG time...

What on EARTH do you have to base that on?

Do you really think there would be so many European cars on the road if our fuel was shit?

I only ever use 98RON but seriously, NOTHING wrong with Australian fuels.

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

One thing is the sulphur content, Euro standards are around 15 ppm where as Australia still allows up to 50 ppm.

The amount of solvents in our fuel is higher, the UK limit benzene to a maximum of 1% by volume, where we have a maximum of 5%.

[tonza]

I wonder if one of these new diesel motors will fit into my VP?

[PRH]

Well,i drive a 3 litre intercooled turbo diesel toyota hiace as a work van and i can tell you it goes like the clappers,and as far as economy goes it does around 9 lts/100 klm around town and its only got 1,700 klms on it so its not even run in yet,and its nothing like the earlier diesels as far as engine noise too.
So i cant see why a turbocharged V6 is gunna be a slug,and the other thing the tag is "family car" not young fella hotrod
Phillip

[1991_Vn2nV]

One thing is the sulphur content, Euro standards are around 15 ppm where as Australia still allows up to 50 ppm.

The amount of solvents in our fuel is higher, the UK limit benzene to a maximum of 1% by volume, where we have a maximum of 5%.

Where did you pull those figures from? Thats ridiculous.

For one, fuel here can only contain a maximum of 1% benzene...not 5%.

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

FACT SHEET Benzene in Petrol

This has 1998 as the year on the fact sheet, but it was copywrited in 2002, which I would assume it is still valid.

[Grennan]

So i cant see why a turbocharged V6 is gunna be a slug,and the other thing the tag is "family car" not young fella hotrod
Phillip

If they release it in the wagon, i can see lots of familes buying them. Fuel economy and space. Might even start seeing some of those dam 4wds off the road :P

[Swordsy]

i'd look at one if they optioned the 4.5L!

[Waughy]

My Diesel Captiva goes quite well for a 4cyl pulling the LX level. One thing, I'll never use BP diesel again unless I really need to. I've used it twice now and both times I got poor economy for the same driving over Mobil diesel, 450-500k's compared to 550-600. Haven't tried any others yet so don't know if there's better than Mobil or not. I average around 11L/100k's with a mix of highway and city driving, a trip on the highway would get it around 9.6 I reckon, haven't tried it yet. It's done nearly 13,000k's, all good so far.
As for a 170kw diesel giving a return of 7L/100klm, I think that's a long way off, if you'll ever see it. A bigger capacity motor for the Captiva would have been better, and would have reduced the economy figures too.

[1991_Vn2nV]

FACT SHEET Benzene in Petrol

This has 1998 as the year on the fact sheet, but it was copywrited in 2002, which I would assume it is still valid.

Nah, since 2003 there have been much tougher standards.

"Tougher national fuel quality standards mandated by the Australian Government to help reduce vehicle exhaust pollution have meant that petrol produced for the Australian market is now required to contain a maximum of 1% benzene, down from the previous (unregulated) range of 2 to 3%. Since 2003, petrol standards have also been mandated for the content of MTBE, olefins and aromatics, and final boiling point, which are tougher than former voluntary industry standards. These new standards will significantly improve public health and, in the case of MTBE, safeguard water quality." - From Caltex.

The product data sheets at work for Mobil say the same but i've never looked at the dates.

That site is poorly maintained, nothing has been updated. If you check their fuel specifications data sheet and check the footnotes down the bottom, it has the "future" maximums for some ingredients, although thats all 2 years old now:

"1 Australia: Sulphur: All Grades 150 ppm (max) by 1 Jan 2005
2 Australia: Aromatics: All Grades 42% pool average over 6 months with a cap of 45% by 1 Jan 2005
3 Australia: Benzene: All grades 1% max by vol by 1 Jan 2006
4 Australia: Olefins: All grades 18% pool average over 6 months with a cap of 20% by 1 Jan 2004; All grades 18% max by vol by 1 Jan 2005
5 Australia MTBE (Methyl tertiary-butyl ether): All grades 1% by volume (max) by 1 Jan 2004"