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    TWO 13-year-old boys who allegedly subjected a fellow student to a terrifying knifepoint ordeal have been allowed to return to their elite private school.
    The non-expulsion of the boys has outraged other parents, who claim the affair has been hushed-up.

    The boys allegedly cornered their Year 8 victim in a locker area of Aquinas College before school, grabbed him from behind and threatened him as they held a knife to his throat.

    The incident happened in mid-November, but parents at the college, Perth's most expensive Catholic boys' school, say they were shocked to find the two attackers had returned to begin Year 9 at the school last week.

    They have accused the $10,000-a-year school of treating the boys lightly because of who their parents were.

    Some told The Sunday Times they feared for the safety of their own children and believed the school had covered up the incident because the parents of one of the attackers was a wealthy benefactor of the college.

    The mother of one of the boys is believed to be employed at the school and the father of the other is believed to be a school board member.

    "I and many other parents at the college are disgusted at this cover-up and that no police action was taken,'' one parent said.

    "With our children still attending the school, we are also concerned for their safety.

    "At the very least, these boys should have been expelled. When and where will they re-offend? Cover-ups only condone this behaviour.''

    Another parent said she was sickened by what had happened and had considered withdrawing her son from the school.

    "It's just appalling that the school hasn't taken proper action on this and the boys have been allowed to get away with it,'' she said.

    "What about our boys? Who is going to be the next target of these bullies?''

    But headmaster Mark Sawle disputed the parents' version of events and said the school had punished the boys appropriately.

    "The college dealt with this matter expediently and in accordance with college policies and procedures,'' he said. "The appropriate sanctions were applied.''

    But he refused to detail what happened, what punishment had been applied and whether any support had been provided to the victim.

    Police spokesman Graham Clifford said police had investigated the incident after receiving a complaint in December.

    It is understood the victim's parents were unhappy with the school's response to the bullying and complained to police.

    Sgt Clifford said the boy's attackers had been cautioned by police, but not charged.

    "It is a serious matter, and it was never considered otherwise, but if we'd taken them to court they would have been sent back down to the Juvenile Justice Team and the end result would have been the same,'' he said.

    The mother of the victim told The Sunday Times she did not want to talk for fear it would make things worse for her son.
    What has my old school come to......


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    i went to a private school. they are corrupt as hell. the only thing that counts is the money, students are just a commodity to them.

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    Private schools are allways covering **** up.
    Heres a little story from 4 years ago.
    Was in a pottery class with this kid who liked to wreck peoples work for no reason and the kid was just plain sadistic. One day i was fed up with his crap, he would punch and kick people for no reason. So anyway i challenged him, had the prick on the ground just restraining him as he was trying to hit a girl with a rolling pin. I eventually let the kid up, wen he started trying to hit the shy kid in the class. So i grabbed him again and he grabbed a pottery knife and tryed to jam it into my stomach, thankfully it didnt make it through the smock. But he did manage to slice my arm pretty badly, made a mess of the class and took ages to heal. The teacher walked in just after i was cut and put a stop to it. The whole classroom was in shock from wat had happened. Anyway we both gave our stories, along with the students, who were on myside as i did nothing wrong but stand up to this prick. No-one got in trouble, his parents got called, and like every other time they said its not his fault he has A.D.D. The kid didnt get a single detention, nothing. The school wouldnt even provide me with first aid, i had to use toilet paper to stop the bleeding. Now after this incident this kid was in many more serious fights, involving weapons and pushing kids down stairs, the lot. He was a violent sadistic bastard. Anyway year 10 comes along and guess whos in the school Shooting team. I couldnt believe it when i heard it, and alot of the shooters pulled out because they didnt want to be near him when he had a gun. PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE THE WORST FOR COVERING STUFF UP, i have since left the school due to the fraud involved in the school, and their attitude towards kids with disabilities.
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    Pitty, you would think they would heaps more! Although not all Private schools have these issues, I know Guildford Grammer has a zero tolleance when it comes to Bully's, well from what I have heard anyways.

    To pay that amount per year to give your child an education you would think they would put more effort into making sure all the students are safe and deal with issues with a hard ass approach.

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    As a secondary teacher who has taught in the Catholic system and now the NSW public system, I can tell you I felt much safer in the catholic system. Problem children were always delt with appropriately. In the NSW public system, if you have a problem child the typical response is "You deal with it yourself". My current school in recent years has had teachers cars broken into and spray painted. Other teachers witnessed it but the kids are back at school the next day. We had one kid last year who was caught red handed stealing $100 out of a teachers purse in a staffroom and nothing happened to him either. Damn white trash!
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    **** happens ..... and kids will be cruel lol maybe they need the cane back lol
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    my daughters school JSR (yes private) has a zero tolerance towards bullies and violence 4 kids last year were suspended 3 times then expelled for bullying one other boy

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    Quote Originally Posted by VLDavo View Post
    **** happens ..... and kids will be cruel lol maybe they need the cane back lol
    as harsh as it is i agree. kids of today are far worse than they used to be due to poor disapline. iv heard in nz ur not alowed to smack ur OWN kids thats pathetic. how do they learn respect without punishment

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    Quote Originally Posted by quick308 View Post
    as harsh as it is i agree. kids of today are far worse than they used to be due to poor disapline. iv heard in nz ur not alowed to smack ur OWN kids thats pathetic. how do they learn respect without punishment
    My kids wouldnt be going to school if the cane came back.... I bet I wouldnt be the only parent to say that.
    Its NOT up to the school to teahc children how to behave, its all up to the parents! I understand that the school NEEDS to enforce some form of punishment for bad behaviour, but the rest is all up to the parents, we raise them with values and respect, it is our job to make sure they act in a kind & repectful way to others, and when they dont its our job to make sure they know it's not on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christie View Post
    My kids wouldnt be going to school if the cane came back.... I bet I wouldnt be the only parent to say that.
    Its NOT up to the school to teahc children how to behave, its all up to the parents! I understand that the school NEEDS to enforce some form of punishment for bad behaviour, but the rest is all up to the parents, we raise them with values and respect, it is our job to make sure they act in a kind & repectful way to others, and when they dont its our job to make sure they know it's not on.
    Good to hear some common sense. I've lost track of the number of times I called home to parents. A lot of time the typical response from the parent goes like "He's just a little s***. I don't know what to do with him"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christie View Post
    My kids wouldnt be going to school if the cane came back.... I bet I wouldnt be the only parent to say that.
    Its NOT up to the school to teahc children how to behave, its all up to the parents! I understand that the school NEEDS to enforce some form of punishment for bad behaviour, but the rest is all up to the parents, we raise them with values and respect, it is our job to make sure they act in a kind & repectful way to others, and when they dont its our job to make sure they know it's not on.
    problem is a lot of parents dont bother. if you do a good job though, then you shouldnt have to worry about your kids being brats at school.

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    Absolutely, my older sisters got away with everything living with my dad, turned into Pro's yet he still thinks the way he raised them and what they were exposed to had nothing to do with it, way too many parents are in denial.... When things like that happen there should be some way to force parents to do a course on parenting, I am one of those who think that YES parents should be somewhat accountable for anything there child should do wrong while under the age of 18 or still in the care of.

    EVERYTHING begins in YOUR home, your values, your attitude, lifestyle, emotional state of mind ALL has something to do with how your kids turn out, and it is YOUR job to make sure your child grows as a well ajdusted, respectful member of society. It ****es me off when parents stand back and say "its got nothing to do with me". My boys will not be perfect, but if they ever did anything like that damn there would be hell to pay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christie View Post
    Absolutely, my older sisters got away with everything living with my dad, turned into Pro's yet he still thinks the way he raised them and what they were exposed to had nothing to do with it, way too many parents are in denial.... When things like that happen there should be some way to force parents to do a course on parenting, I am one of those who think that YES parents should be somewhat accountable for anything there child should do wrong while under the age of 18 or still in the care of.

    EVERYTHING begins in YOUR home, your values, your attitude, lifestyle, emotional state of mind ALL has something to do with how your kids turn out, and it is YOUR job to make sure your child grows as a well ajdusted, respectful member of society. It ****es me off when parents stand back and say "its got nothing to do with me". My boys will not be perfect, but if they ever did anything like that damn there would be hell to pay!
    i agree with u totaly their the way u bring ur child up has a big part on how they turn out. but theirs always gonna be a couple of pricks in schools wheather they were bought up with poor parenting or not. i went to a private school just about all my mates had christian parents and they were little brats. we are all born different

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    when i was in year 7 3 months into the year i got into a fight with a year 9 kid (you know new kid's stuff) anyway i beat the hell out of him....didnt know his father was a teacher and who's class did i have next?....
    his father the teacher walked in grabbed me bye the throat,punched me and smashed my head into the table! i smacked him in the face with a stool and walked out.
    went and told the principle, he told me 2 **** off and i got excpelled and nothing happened to the teacher! anyway the school system is stuffed ive never been back too school since and no i havent completed year 7......(how's my english? lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet_pilot View Post
    when i was in year 7 3 months into the year i got into a fight with a year 9 kid (you know new kid's stuff) anyway i beat the hell out of him....didnt know his father was a teacher and who's class did i have next?....
    his father the teacher walked in grabbed me bye the throat,punched me and smashed my head into the table! i smacked him in the face with a stool and walked out.
    went and told the principle, he told me 2 **** off and i got excpelled and nothing happened to the teacher! anyway the school system is stuffed ive never been back too school since and no i havent completed year 7......(how's my english? lol)

    You got exactly what you deserved. I would congratulate that teacher if I ever met him. By the way, whos fault is it that you never completed year 7? The school system? No. Schools have a responsibility to provide a safe learning environment. From what you say it sounds like you're the one who provoked the whole thing. There are measures in place so schools can transfer 'troubled' students. However, the responsibility comes back onto the child and the parents to follow through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooter79 View Post
    You got exactly what you deserved. I would congratulate that teacher if I ever met him. By the way, whos fault is it that you never completed year 7? The school system? No. Schools have a responsibility to provide a safe learning environment. From what you say it sounds like you're the one who provoked the whole thing. There are measures in place so schools can transfer 'troubled' students. However, the responsibility comes back onto the child and the parents to follow through.
    what if the father got the wrong kid? its not right for a teacher to do that. you said it yourself. safe learning environment. does that include teachers trying to hurt students?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christie View Post
    My kids wouldnt be going to school if the cane came back.... I bet I wouldnt be the only parent to say that.
    Its NOT up to the school to teahc children how to behave, its all up to the parents! I understand that the school NEEDS to enforce some form of punishment for bad behaviour, but the rest is all up to the parents, we raise them with values and respect, it is our job to make sure they act in a kind & repectful way to others, and when they dont its our job to make sure they know it's not on.
    We can see that is clearly working.

    On the subject though, my niece goes to a public school and she was suspended recently for retaliating to some taunting. So in effect, she was the victim of bullying and she is the one that gets suspended.
    Pulling a knife should be mandatory suspension at the least, a parent teacher meeting needs to be held to discuss why expulsion shouldn't be considered.

    My kids just started in a private school, and if they behave in a manner that requires discipline, so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stocky View Post
    what if the father got the wrong kid? its not right for a teacher to do that. you said it yourself. safe learning environment. does that include teachers trying to hurt students?
    Did I say it was right? No. From what has been described the teacher was acting as a father first and a teacher 2nd. What if the father happened to be a... truck driver, waiting at the front gate for 'jet_piliot' after school to kick his butt. Would that be more acceptable then? Teachers are only human. How many of you on this forum would go to work every day and tolerate being physically pushed around, spat on, have your cars vandalised and called every foul name under the sun, knowing that there was next to nothing you could do? Or how many of you would just snap and grab the kid and tell them to 'wake the f*** up to yourself', only to have a black mark against your name. I'm not saying it happens in every school but it's quickly becoming more and more common.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_An_Abba_Fan View Post
    We can see that is clearly working.

    On the subject though, my niece goes to a public school and she was suspended recently for retaliating to some taunting. So in effect, she was the victim of bullying and she is the one that gets suspended.
    Pulling a knife should be mandatory suspension at the least, a parent teacher meeting needs to be held to discuss why expulsion shouldn't be considered.

    My kids just started in a private school, and if they behave in a manner that requires discipline, so be it.

    +1 for commen sense...
    This happened to me time and time again in my first couple of years in high school... Constantly taunted, teased and harrassed, so I used to react which thus resulted in me having to cop the punishment I didn't deserve, which only succeeded in strengthening my displeasure, distrust and distain for the College and the education system as a whole. I discovered that it became convenient for the school to punish the victim, why punish a tirade of wrong doers when a school can make an example of one kid... So when I returned to AC after a stint at agricultural college . First bloke that gave me ****, I ignored, second time, I ignored it, third time I layed him out on one of our lunch benches, nice uppercut to the chin... Never got picked on, never got **** and only had one or two scruffles during the rest of my tenure at AC...

    Also in my later years, I became a fair bit more confident and well spoken, thus from my ordinary classroom teachers right up to the principle, I was able to articulate my views, opinions and values whenever I found myself, a friend, or a victim in some sort of trouble.. I can tell you "College policies and procedures" suck.. However as a youngster, I was trampled by teachers about how much of a rebel, a trouble maker and an attention seeker I was (athough, I'll admit the latter was rather true), I had to cop near verbal assaults time and time again, even though I'd appeal that "He hit me first" or "He was racist, he called me a &#$&%@&&@5%#& wog!" or "They threw a milk carton on me and beat me black and blue because it fell on 'barcode'..", it all fell on deaf ears because justice was 'to difficult' to pursue and attain. I had no means of defending myself at all... To this day it still disgusts me...

    I agree though, a knife should be a definate suspension IF not automatic expulsion... A full term of afterschool detentions to help out the gardeners would be an idea.... This is an absolute disgrace.. I'm absolutely ropable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christie View Post
    My kids wouldnt be going to school if the cane came back.... I bet I wouldnt be the only parent to say that.
    Its NOT up to the school to teahc children how to behave, its all up to the parents! I understand that the school NEEDS to enforce some form of punishment for bad behaviour, but the rest is all up to the parents, we raise them with values and respect, it is our job to make sure they act in a kind & repectful way to others, and when they dont its our job to make sure they know it's not on.
    the way things are going u cant put in affect any good punishments coz kids apparently have all the rights and self judgment they will ever need.. its a crock of sht ...

    any the enviroment u are raised has not much to do with it there as just as many bad kids from good homes as there are from bad homes
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    Quote Originally Posted by VLDavo View Post
    ...any the enviroment u are raised has not much to do with it there as just as many bad kids from good homes as there are from bad homes
    I believe the environment you are raised in has a huge effect on how a kid will turn out. The greatest influence any young person can have is their parent.
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    i almost feel over laughing when it said "elite private school.". the aquinas college in syndey is a **** hole of a school and i know many people that are embrassed to go there.

    but then i saw its the perth version, knife are bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooter79 View Post
    Did I say it was right? No. From what has been described the teacher was acting as a father first and a teacher 2nd. What if the father happened to be a... truck driver, waiting at the front gate for 'jet_piliot' after school to kick his butt. Would that be more acceptable then? Teachers are only human. How many of you on this forum would go to work every day and tolerate being physically pushed around, spat on, have your cars vandalised and called every foul name under the sun, knowing that there was next to nothing you could do? Or how many of you would just snap and grab the kid and tell them to 'wake the f*** up to yourself', only to have a black mark against your name. I'm not saying it happens in every school but it's quickly becoming more and more common.
    its sounds like your standing up for a grown man assualting a year 7 student. wat are they like 12 years old??. teachers are there to look after and supervise the kids not belt who they see fit.

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