aquaplaning

[commsirac]

perhaps those lacking first hand experience on the topic and who want to know more, you could do worse than starting with these:

Skid Control - Aquaplaning
Aquaplaning, road surface & tire friction
Technical Information Issue # 3

[minux]

*sigh* If you have a wider slick tyre vs a skinnier slick tyre of course the wide tyre will be more prone to aquaplaning, however, you have a nice directional with good grooving not only will it be less prone to planing, but it will also be less prone to break traction and will also allow you to brake better.
Hey, what do I know though, unlike yourself, I have had no first hand experience testing various tyres on pans/wet controlled roads, just like many tyre manufactures for race cars. I guess we have to rely on your elite google skills to bust the myth on this one

[stocky]

*sigh* If you have a wider slick tyre vs a skinnier slick tyre of course the wide tyre will be more prone to aquaplaning, however, you have a nice directional with good grooving not only will it be less prone to planing, but it will also be less prone to break traction and will also allow you to brake better.
Hey, what do I know though, unlike yourself, I have had no first hand experience testing various tyres on pans/wet controlled roads, just like many tyre manufactures for race cars. I guess we have to rely on your elite google skills to bust the myth on this one

or go one better

[quick308]

or go one better

LMAO yeah they wld jump at somthin like that. only a matter of time b4 they run outta ideas

[padrickz88]

or go one better

LMAO! gold...



and can he get over himself? you dont know everything mate, no point trying to debate with half the site that you apparently know more....

and i like i said in the other thread, it all depends on tread pattern (by my knowledge, can someone confirm if im right or wrong?) ... but i said that a couple times and it didnt get into your head so i guess there is no point trying....

[Full Spectrum]

I've Had Aquaplaning first hand, Bad thing was it was the front end that did it scared **** out of me almost went under a Semi after hitting this massive puddle. No steering control not nice.

[commsirac]

LMAO! gold...



and can he get over himself? you dont know everything mate, no point trying to debate with half the site that you apparently know more....

and i like i said in the other thread, it all depends on tread pattern (by my knowledge, can someone confirm if im right or wrong?) ... but i said that a couple times and it didnt get into your head so i guess there is no point trying....

Exactly, there is no point debating with "half the site"(a few misled individuals...more like it) that apparently know more. That's why I provided some links so you can read about it for yourselves, not because I needed to know more about it, though I was hoping to find more in depth testing on the matter. There are results available, if you can read german:Motor Authority Are wide tires better than narrow?

Yes, tread pattern is important, but the overall message from every article Ive found is that all other factors being equal, ie tread pattern, depth, rubber stickiness(possibly not an important factor in aquaplaning)....... , a wider tyre will aquaplane at lower levels of water coverage and/or lower speeds. The physics appears to be quite simple to understand. If a layer of material needs to be penetrated to make good contact with the surface below it, more force per unit area(pressure) is needed to do that.....we cant change the force easily(weight of the car), but reducing the surface area of the object(contact patch of the tyre) can be done. If we want something to float/water ski, (thats what aquaplaning basically is), increase the area of the contact patch.

These would appear to be to relate directly to my own experience on the matter, which you can regard as irrelevant......I dont care.

Ive not found a site or article that contradicts this.........perhaps its a myth thats built up over time and only a couple of people on the just commodore forums know better.........it would be great to have these few people back up their claims with something believable that would be able to even get through to someone as "thick" as myself.

[Emackulation]

Just dont hit the puddle in the first place.

[vlv8vic]

Yeah I've had it. Even with good tread. Cheesecutters anyday. (though hard to be sure what actually caused it as they were different cars etc etc etc)

[STEALTHY™]

That's why I provided some links

Wait a minute, you provided links.....on the internet.


Just to clarify, the internet, where anyone can upload anything they want, and claim it as fact? yes no?

[UNKNOWN]

I had an episode in my Nissan Exa... Was raining then all of a sudden just started raining REAL hard. Couldnt see much, next thing I know im on the other side of the road facing the other way... WTF! Lucky there was not much traffic..

[vlv8vic]

Wait a minute, you provided links.....on the internet.


Just to clarify, the internet, where anyone can upload anything they want, and claim it as fact? yes no?

No different to anyone else speaking on here. We have our resident know-alls and we put up with it so lets not make it about this member which i can clearly see people targeting. If you dont like it dont respond and i assure you the thread will die quickly.

Maybe he is trying to get a rise out of you folk and doing a great job. Works everytime.
get over it, keep it civil.

[STEALTHY™]

No different to anyone else speaking on here.

My point exactly.

[Low_VX_Taxi]

Where I live we have of late had very heavy rainfall and often badly guttered roads that "wash out", I found that I had more difficulty controlling my car effectively through corners with factory diameter rubber than I currently do with my larger after market rubber. I found that the tread pattern was the major factor in the front end but the size of rear rubber dramatically affected ease of holding traction and reducing "sliding out" of the rear end of the car.

Wilst I have no studies or statistics, the tyres were both brand new and the change happened within the space of two months, so personally I believe that wider (on the rear) is much much better in a rear wheel drive sedan/coupe.....

Each to their own though.....

[commsirac]

In response to the ^, it doesnt sound like you were in conditions where aquaplaning might be a problem. If you were going around a corner, Im perhaps guessing that you weren't going at highway speed on a level surface, where chances of aquaplaning are highest.
Wide tyres can offer better level of adhesion than a narrow tyre in wet conditions and but still be more prone to aquaplaning.

Wait a minute, you provided links.....on the internet.


Just to clarify, the internet, where anyone can upload anything they want, and claim it as fact? yes no?

That is true, though I did take the effort to pick some links that carry some credibility, one is from toyo tyres.

[STEALTHY™]

That is true, though I did take the effort to pick some links that carry some credibility, one is from toyo tyres.

no company in their right mind is going to say 'our product is ****, please don't buy it for your own safety'

[commsirac]

no company in their right mind is going to say 'our product is ****, please don't buy it for your own safety'

What are you saying, you haven't read the site, the site is a fake, Toyo aren't in their right minds? either because they are providing information that you believe is wrong and/or that they are hurting their own business by unwittingly "steering" people away from those high profit wider tyres?

Yes, I suspect the latter is why we my searching didnt reveal any such info on other tyre manufacturers' sites......

[STEALTHY™]

I'm saying, all companies are going to provide you with information that says their product is spectacular. Weather true or not.

[commsirac]

I'm saying, all companies are going to provide you with information that says their product is spectacular. Weather true or not.

What has the weather got to do with it? rainfall?

Still don't know what your problem is with the Toyo site, it doesnt hold to your ideals so it is fake? Personally, I like information about the product Im buying , it wouldnt make me not choose a Toyo tyre, just the one that was best for my purposes.

[STEALTHY™]

I havn't even read the Toyo site, i'm mearly explain that the internet is a tool too often abused, for example, companies providing misleading information.

[Low_VX_Taxi]

In response to the ^, it doesnt sound like you were in conditions where aquaplaning might be a problem. If you were going around a corner, Im perhaps guessing that you weren't going at highway speed on a level surface, where chances of aquaplaning are highest.
Wide tyres can offer better level of adhesion than a narrow tyre in wet conditions and but still be more prone to aquaplaning.

It was mostly flooded corners so thats true, but generally you purchase a tyre that is effective all round not just in one situation, sometimes that means sacrificing certain effectiveness in sections (I.E aquaplaning) so overall the tyres will be more affective.

[commsirac]

It was mostly flooded corners so thats true, but generally you purchase a tyre that is effective all round not just in one situation, sometimes that means sacrificing certain effectiveness in sections (I.E aquaplaning) so overall the tyres will be more affective.

Yes, one can make informed decisions, and choose a tyre that one thinks is going to serve them best........one of the purpose of the thread .

Personally, my only losses of control(be it only floating slightly off line, but scary enough) in a million or so ks of driving have come due to aquaplaning, so I put a tyre's resistance to that high on my list of priorities.

[commsirac]

I havn't even read the Toyo site, i'm mearly explain that the internet is a tool too often abused, for example, companies providing misleading information.

Great, your feelings about the internet. What a time waster.

Why bother posting if you have nothing valuable to contribute to the thread/phenomenon, why not explain why the Toyo info is misleading? or find something/anything that supports you point of view.

[stocky]

Great, your feelings about the internet.

Why bother posting if you have nothing valuable to contribute to the thread/phenomenon.

so someone pointing out that your source of information is extremely unreliable? id say thats worth contributing. if i started making up facts and posting them on here, id hope someone would post up a reply setting my facts straight

[commsirac]

The logic of "some internet stuff is rubbish,therefore everything we read must be rubbish" is mind numbing, I think Ive translated what youve said ^ correctly?. One has to be discerning, but not dismissive.

Obviously you have no meaningful logical objection to what is supplied on the toyo site or we would have heard about it.