Hoon Hotline (Rants half-way through)

[Jack87]

This is mostly venting but anyway. Not sure of the details yet but im keeping an ear out, 3AW Melbourne have said they will be setting up a hoon hotline, you will be able to call in on or off air i imagine and dob in a hoon driver and give details of somebody uve thought has been hooning. I dont know yet if the proper authorities will be taking this seriously, i dont know if they can. We already have Home - Rate the PLATE Australia

What is your opinion on this??? Would u dob in a hoon?

My disjointed rant is below...

1. Judge yourself before judging others.

2. I would say yes to this if we could also dob in people that for example double park and then open their door right infront of you, but you cant!

3. Will target p-platers and we already have enough **** to worry about.

4. LEAVE IT TO THE COPS!!!

...IMO the only thing you should dob somebody in for is weaving through heavy traffic at an excessive speed, or dropping a burnout out at the traffic lights, in a school zone ect ect... People who intentionally go out in traffic and cause a disturbance. If i over take a grandma or im in a rush and im doing 5 k's more than everybody i dont want to be harrassed by my locals because all of a sudden ive been branded a hoon on live radio. My response to them would be "you dont know **** about me so mind ur own business, ow and btw your parked next to double lines"
Look at the mums in their massive cars around school time, whos dobing them in, people who turn out infront of u because of a queue up ahead, u turns, parking, opening doors, indicators, red lights, the list is endless and all these can end up with a loss of life given the right circumstances.

This is just a small part of the discussion and i can keep going for ages on other aspects, but the bottom line is if this was used "correctly" to stop "reckless behaviour" as they put it then great. But sadly it wont be, it will just be used to call in a p-plater who has screeched the tires at a round about or left tyre marks on a 90 degree turn.

If anybody wants to listen in the website is: 3AW Melbourne - 3AW Radio, Melbourne - Talk back radio live on the web, radio news live on the web, audio and video talk back on the web

P.S. Can i keep going or have u all heard enough lol?

[Astranomical]

I would happily dob in a hoon if they were endangering the life of myself, my passengers, or others.

Other than that though, let the cops do their job.

[Jack87]

Agreed and well put

But what would you consider endangering lives? Others may not agree, thats why i say its a bad idea.

[VicCop]

I say bring it on. However I would urge anyone thinking of using such a hotline to only ring if you are willing to NOT remain anonymous and speak up and front court if required.

Don't waste time and resources just because you want to have a whinge about your hoon neighbours or about someone you don't like.

[stocky]

I would happily dob in a hoon if they were endangering the life of myself, my passengers, or others.

Other than that though, let the cops do their job.

yes agreed, but i doubt it will be used that way. it will be slow old people in the right lane being overtaken by a commodore with a loud exhaust that will be doing the reporting.

its pointless. i see so many people that almost cause accidents on my way to work. saw one stupid idiot in a beatup ford pull out right in front us almost causing a crash, because they didnt like waiting in their lane. damn city traffic. am i going to report them? no. you get annoyed about it for a few seconds and get over it. those people are more dangerous than some kid spinning his tyres in a deserted area.

I say bring it on. However I would urge anyone thinking of using such a hotline to only ring if you are willing to NOT remain anonymous and speak up and front court if required.

Don't waste time and resources just because you want to have a whinge about your hoon neighbours or about someone you don't like.

id say a lot of them will be made up reports just to get someone in trouble that they dont like.

[Jack87]

yes agreed, but i doubt it will be used that way. it will be slow old people in the right lane being overtaken by a commodore with a loud exhaust that will be doing the reporting.

its pointless. i see so many people that almost cause accidents on my way to work. saw one stupid idiot in a beatup ford pull out right in front us almost causing a crash, because they didnt like waiting in their lane. damn city traffic. am i going to report them? no. you get annoyed about it for a few seconds and get over it. those people are more dangerous than some kid spinning his tyres in a deserted area.

Thank you, Stocky gets it too

VicCop why do you say bring it on? (Serious question)

This link was mentioned in another thread on hooning, seems relevant if you havent read it yet:
Professor puts a positive spin on hooning around - National - smh.com.au

[VicCop]

It will help, to some degree. We can't be in several places at once. Usually when we get an impound it's by pure chance.

Some days every second 000 call is about cars racing, about to race, doing burnouts. I'd encourage the use of the hotline if there is a problem with a regular car and/or address. People need to come forward, provide their details and be willing to be contacted and provide statements and be willing to give evidence at court if required.

[VN_Luke]

I think it's quite stupid. Mostly because of the stereotypical image of a 'hoon' portrayed by the media.... next time you drive a commodore wearing a hat past an old lady.... WATCH OUT.

- if someone lays some fat fishies up your street at 3pm, get their plates, take a couple of photos, and pass it into the police.... if it annoys you that much, front up at court and get the asshole done.
- if you get annoyed by someone driving a car with big wheels listening to loud music, stay indoors.....

I'm all for road safety, but this means EDUCATING EVERYONE on how to drive properly, navigate traffic etc - not harassing kids with bad taste in wheels, music and hats!

Has anyone heard those stupid ads on the radio in VIC telling people how to merge? - "If your lane is ending, match your speed with the other lane and merge into a gap" .... REALLY? I thought that's something WE SHOULD HAVE LEARNT WHEN WE GOT OUR LICENSES.

how about we start a "I Don't know how to merge" hotline, or a "I don't know how to pull into traffic" hotline... or a "I-Don't-Know-How-To-Keep-A-Safe-Distance-Anonymous" group. I think they'd have a much more positive effect on road safety.

Some days every second 000 call is about cars racing, about to race, doing burnouts. I'd encourage the use of the hotline if there is a problem with a regular car and/or address. People need to come forward, provide their details and be willing to be contacted and provide statements and be willing to give evidence at court if required.

If this hotline is a means to ease the load on 000 from this kind of 'I see two cars that are about to race' crap, then bring it on and free up some valuable HELPFUL resources [the 000 service]

[leonthalion]

i would say that common sense will prevail as only the scenarios where heavy traffic is involved with high risk would be taken seriously. e.g. if i were to dose it down a crouded road with kids everywhere i would expect to get done/ found out. however if you do it properly (some long dead street late at night) no one would see you, so it wouldnt matter. just another ploy for the pedestrians parade to have a winge and wine.

[Jack87]

The way the laws are atm if police were everywhere at once their wouldnt be anybody left on the road except people like the grandma stocky mentioned or the mum that suddenly double parks in front of me and swings open her door.

Can a hotline like this actually be used as evidence to take somebody off the road? Or is it just a grey area thing?

I dont want somebody who knows nothing about me or the sort of person i am or what i do with my life to be making it difficult for me to get on with my life, because they dont like what im doing. I understand that if i hoon even if it is in a more than safe public environment and a cop rolls up im braking the rules, but even thats wrong, its actually a pointless arguement because the government has neither the time or the resources or the conscience to do it all justly.
Anyway as far as the hotline goes there should be a disclaimer that says "by placing this call you are aware that you are possibly stopping this person from getting to work tomorrow and next time your drowning at the beach remember, maybe that guy you impounded who happened to be a lifeguard worked here, ow and while you are thinking about that stop doing your make up in the car!!!"

Can i get a policemans opinion on all that please?

EDIT: VN_Luke but about what Leonthalion said why dont police have this opinion when they see a hoon late at night in that situation?

[VN_Luke]

VN_Luke :thumsup: but about what Leonthalion said why dont police have this opinion when they see a hoon late at night in that situation?

I take it you mean - why do the police still issue tickets/impound if they find you doing silly things far away from anywhere/anyone?

It is my opinion that you'll find more often than not, they let the person in question off with a warning/talking to.... (presuming the person in question is sensible, and can explain/justify what they were doing, why etc)....although I guess if it was a TMU car they'd throw the book at you (it's their job to police the roads .... I guess they don't have much choice there)

[Jack87]

Correct me if im wrong but they are human beings who dont work on a commission, i dont know if they have a quota or something and if thats the case just issue a fine not deduct points, doing a burnout far away from everything doesnt mean u dont know how to drive which is how the laws should work, if u demonstrate a lack of awareness or lack of understanding on how to operate a vehicle then ur off the road.

Ive never lost points for hooning but ive lost points for things such as not having my p-plates up which in turn got me suspended. Was doing 40 in a 50 zone and got pulled over for a random breath test at 330 in the afternoon, when i tried to explain all this and the reason why i was late (driving 3 hours from lorne in my mums car and then got in my car to drive another half an hour across town but forgot to put the plates up) i got hit with "its your responsibility"

[Emackulation]

They should have report the crappiest car hotline and pay em out.

[Jack87]

Its official in Frankston. Victoria Police - Hoon hotline launched in Frankston

Anti-social driving includes excessive speeding, revving of engines, screeching brakes, skidding, manoeuvres called ‘fishtails’ and ‘doughnuts’, leaving oil on the road and causing damage to the road.

If its in ur front yard ok but come on revving, how is that dangerous? Recently i saw a fully marked police car do all of the above except the donuts through a crowded car park out the back of chapel st, no siren, he didnt even have any business in the car park it was just the quickest way around, where has his better judgement gone?

Its all part of the same thing so base the hoon laws on the area of residence, the persons mental ability, the place of offence and ease up on hoons and all the emotive language used against them.

[Emackulation]

Like ive said time and time again, im glad I dont live in Victoria.

[stocky]

Like ive said time and time again, im glad I dont live in Victoria.

And the people of victoria are glad you dont live down here either

[Troy711]

dont 'hoon' and you will be right

[stocky]

dont 'hoon' and you will be right

well yes but thats not the problem. its people that report you for hooning, when all your doing is overtaking with a loud exhaust, and doing nothing wrong. its also open to abuse by people that just want to cause problems for other people so they dob them in

i hope someone gets the licence plates of people like the state premier, or the police that started this hotline, and call up and say they were hooning.

[Jack87]

Lol cant wait to dob in my first slow ass car or some mum who thinks she can do what she wants where she wants. I'll stand up in court and say "that woman/man is a ****ing idiot because..." however i'll be nice till i get a call saying ive been dobed in, then its on grr lol

[Troy711]

well yes but thats not the problem. its people that report you for hooning, when all your doing is overtaking with a loud exhaust, and doing nothing wrong. its also open to abuse by people that just want to cause problems for other people so they dob them in

fair enough

i hope someone gets the licence plates of people like the state premier, or the police that started this hotline, and call up and say they were hooning.

why? that would make you as bad as the people as mentioned in the first part of the post.

[stocky]

why? that would make you as bad as the people as mentioned in the first part of the post.

yeah was more a joke that part, but it would be a good way to demonstrate the flaw in the system to them directly

[leonthalion]

EDIT: VN_Luke but about what Leonthalion said why dont police have this opinion when they see a hoon late at night in that situation?

it just depends on the cop, ive been done on dead roads and ive been let off on the same road. If it is a bastard cop and they see a young guy driving a done-up commo they are going to pull you over and try to get you for something anyway. plus most of the time if you get done in a residential area then you get done for dagerous driving, undue noise and attention, undue care etc, whereas when i got done on the empty road all i got was undue niose and attention although i was dosing it up and down the whole street .

[Sabbath']

Heard on the rumour file this morning. Old woman calledd her local cop shop, complaining of her neighbours speeding up and down her street. Few days later, a cop car is sitting on that road, radaring people to check their speed...guess who the first person he caught speeding was?

[leonthalion]

Heard on the rumour file this morning. Old woman calledd her local cop shop, complaining of her neighbours speeding up and down her street. Few days later, a cop car is sitting on that road, radaring people to check their speed...guess who the first person he caught speeding was?

obviously not you as we are all safe and curtiouse drivers here

[stocky]

obviously not you as we are all safe and curtiouse drivers here

i think hes saying the first person caught speeding was the old woman complaining in the first place