FPV F6 - 310kw! Look out HSV!

[1991_Vn2nV]

The new FG FPV F6 (lot of F's there?) has been leaked to have 310kw!

FPV GT is rumoured to be 315kw but who cares cause the FPV V8's havent been worth mentioning even with the 302kw in the current BF range. The F6 at 310kw will be very, very quick!

[VZTHUNDER]

i was talkin to a guy with a older F6 yesterday and he was telling me about how after he took it at 4 laps at mallala the brakes didnt wanna pull the car up lol

[1991_Vn2nV]

Its about going not stopping man

[nicko]

i would buy one o these cars if i had that much left over from the VE GTS

[Reaper]

HSV have just changed to a 317kw LS3. Furthermmore FPV power figures are somewhat inflated when compared to HSV.

Reaper

[VZTHUNDER]

Its about going not stopping man

so thats what the concrete barriers at the end of the straights are for then dylan lol

[1991_Vn2nV]

HSV have just changed to a 317kw LS3. Furthermmore FPV power figures are somewhat inflated when compared to HSV.

Reaper

Im sure we all realised the HSV's just upgraded to the 317kw LS3. It was on the front page of this website after all. But a 7kw advantage over a straight 6 isn't alot. The F6 is a very good car as is. It may not be as good as a HSV, it may not quite have the power or speed, but for once, FPV are VERY close.

The BA/BF F6's were pulling very quick times at the track, and pulling pretty big numbers on the dyno. If anything i'd say the old F6's were underrated (not so for the GT pos though).

Plus, HSV have boxed themselves in. They've brought in the W427 at 125-130k with 370kw which has a 3 year life cycle. How far can they increase current power (VF update etc.) before encroaching on the W427? 330kw will be the very limit imo for the HSV's until ~2010 or 2011. The Boss V8 from Ford would be pushing its maximum limits at 315kw but the F6 still has room to move I think.

[1991_Vn2nV]

so thats what the concrete barriers at the end of the straights are for then dylan lol

Thats what I used to use guard rails for before I realised my car has brakes

[VZTHUNDER]

so thats the real reason you put the vs front on :P

[Ra1d]

factory released output seems to go up in correlation with fuel prices. bloody madness

[f1tzy]

The current BF F6 isn't to far behind the LS2 HSV's which is a 37kw power disadvantage but now being only 7kw i would say the F6 will be faster. Plus it had 550nm in the BF so how much will it have now?

[minux]

the F6 i seen sported a 300kw badge...so not sure on final power figures.

Regardless, this is one beast of an under tuned machine.

[Reaper]

Im sure we all realised the HSV's just upgraded to the 317kw LS3. It was on the front page of this website after all. But a 7kw advantage over a straight 6 isn't alot. The F6 is a very good car as is. It may not be as good as a HSV, it may not quite have the power or speed, but for once, FPV are VERY close.

The BA/BF F6's were pulling very quick times at the track, and pulling pretty big numbers on the dyno. If anything i'd say the old F6's were underrated (not so for the GT pos though).

Plus, HSV have boxed themselves in. They've brought in the W427 at 125-130k with 370kw which has a 3 year life cycle. How far can they increase current power (VF update etc.) before encroaching on the W427? 330kw will be the very limit imo for the HSV's until ~2010 or 2011. The Boss V8 from Ford would be pushing its maximum limits at 315kw but the F6 still has room to move I think.

The product planning team would have this thought thru a long way in advance. I'm not sure where you get the 3 year life cycle thing from however even if it is true, 50-60kw is a huge power gain in a very short time.

Reaper

[Full Spectrum]

They disappoint me still with this FPV.. They don't truly care for the Aussie Traditional V8 much..
don't get me wrong I'll take the Phoon over the GT all day long, However they built there name on V8's in this country, And have lost this, And my respect in the way they have done it, The V8 isn't what it should be, And the sooner they toss out the fancy quad cams and many valves per cylinder and head back to bread and butter easy sensible technology they wont a V8.

[sixshooter]

Yeah that's great output for a 4.0 six !!! It must be hard for Ford fans to decide whether to get a GT-P or Phoon !

[1991_Vn2nV]

The product planning team would have this thought thru a long way in advance. I'm not sure where you get the 3 year life cycle thing from however even if it is true, 50-60kw is a huge power gain in a very short time.

Reaper

It was said by the HSV boss in regards to sales I think. 50-60 cars planned for the remainder of this year, followed by more next year on a planned 3 year life cycle if its still warranted by sales of course. But he expects a long waiting list on the W427.

50-60kw is a huge power gain, but its not a matter of matching the W427 it's even just encroaching on its power. Nobody would spend the extra $40-$50k for a 20kw power gain. If they went over 330kw, it'd be too close to the W427 and I don't think they'd see people spending the cash. So that gives them 13kw to work with.

[Torquen]

hmm, good thread.
minux is right on the money, the F6 is one hell of a machine which has been grossly undertuned/detuned by FPV for fuel economy, engine life span, relability and various other reasons. the way they have managed to get that much power out of 4.0L straight 6 is very impresive. i still think its crazy that ford dont put more of a power gap between there GT-P (surposedly there #1 vechiel) and the F6. people arnt going to buy the GT-P when the F6 is practicly af fast (if not quicker) and is so easy to tune for an extra 20-30kw.
It would be great to see holden try its hand in the forced induction V6/staright 6 market.

[Torquen]

i wonder what the torque figures are going to be?? the 270kw F6 had more torque than the holden 6.0L so it should be interesting.
FPV F6 TYPHOON BF 2006 details - CarPoint Australia <---YIKES

[f1tzy]

Yeah thats sick output for just a 4.0 six !!! It must be hard for Ford fans to decide whether to get a GT-P or Phoon !!!

I'd probably go with the 8 and run it on gas the way fuel prices are going...



Thats crazy man !!!

The benefit of quad cams over pushrod technology is heaps better! If Ford incorporate variable valve timing the same as the 4.0 six, the motor is going to make gobs of power all through the rev range and give great fuel economy for a v8. The Boss 302 is pumping out nearly as much power as the Chev 6.0 and is doing so with less engine capacity and using lesser grade fuel (95 rather than 98 octane)... What if Ford decide to up the cylinders inline with Holdens and up the compression and use high octane juice ? Have a look at a comparo between the GT-P GTS TYPHOON the Ford v8 is a great engine IMO... I'd buy a GT-P over a GTS anyday... ok let the flaming begin !!!

One of the problems with the engine is its size and weight. Its a fair bit heavier than the LS* engines putting more weight over the front axle. And according to do all motoring publications i have read is the engine is torque less in the lower rev range.

Personally, I'd take the F6

[VH commodore]

why arent all these ford fans on the ford website????

[1991_Vn2nV]

why arent all these ford fans on the ford website????

Whats the point in just being another one eyed ignoramus?

Ford is still an Australian built car and respect where respect is due I say. If you can respect a VL Turbo with 150kw, I can respect an F6 with 315kw. In the 6 cylinder market, Ford are well in front until Holden get direct injection into their V6 or until Ford bring in their V6 instead of the I6. And the I6 turbo is an absolute machine and to think that an Australian car manufacturer is now getting 300+kw out of a 6 cylinder is incredible. If someone had said that 10 years ago we would all have screamed bull****!!!

[1991_Vn2nV]

Yeah thats sick output for just a 4.0 six !!! It must be hard for Ford fans to decide whether to get a GT-P or Phoon !!!

I'd probably go with the 8 and run it on gas the way fuel prices are going...



Thats crazy man !!!

The benefit of quad cams over pushrod technology is heaps better! If Ford incorporate variable valve timing the same as the 4.0 six, the motor is going to make gobs of power all through the rev range and give great fuel economy for a v8. The Boss 302 is pumping out nearly as much power as the Chev 6.0 and is doing so with less engine capacity and using lesser grade fuel (95 rather than 98 octane)... What if Ford decide to up the cylinders inline with Holdens and up the compression and use high octane juice ? Have a look at a comparo between the GT-P GTS TYPHOON the Ford v8 is a great engine IMO... I'd buy a GT-P over a GTS anyday... ok let the flaming begin !!!

Man even an SS will take an FPV GT-P 0-100 and down the 1/4. Even now with the 302 BOSS they are no match for an HSV, maybe only 5kw difference but they're a good half second or more slower down the 1/4 which is alot.

If you look at the power and torque curves of the two engines, the BOSS is no match for the LS2, and even less of a match for the LS3.

Also you're looking at an engine at pretty much peak tune/performance compared to an engine that is actually detuned. They should not be releasing an LS3 with less than 330kw but they are.

And not to mention the BOSS engine costs twice that of the LS2. So what's smarter? A cheaper to develop, cheaper to build engine in the LS2 where Holden pockets the thousands they charge in premiums to option a V8... Or the 5.4L BOSS which costs more to develop, weighs more, is larger in exterior size, and costs more to produce reducing their profit margins compared to Holdens on the V8 option?

Even the Ford guys will tell you the BOSS 5.4L is no match for the LS2/LS3 in current guise.

[Full Spectrum]

Thats crazy man !!!

The benefit of quad cams over pushrod technology is heaps better! If Ford incorporate variable valve timing the same as the 4.0 six, the motor is going to make gobs of power all through the rev range and give great fuel economy for a v8. The Boss 302 is pumping out nearly as much power as the Chev 6.0 and is doing so with less engine capacity and using lesser grade fuel (95 rather than 98 octane)... What if Ford decide to up the cylinders inline with Holdens and up the compression and use high octane juice ? Have a look at a comparo between the GT-P GTS TYPHOON the Ford v8 is a great engine IMO... I'd buy a GT-P over a GTS anyday... ok let the flaming begin !!!

You talking about an engine that sits close to the limits of itself.
It doesn't rev freely, It's a stupid set-up it's just a bitsa this and that from other engines. With poor fuel econemy and performance.. It would be lucky if it could keep up with a VY SS.

Which is why the Hurricane V8 is what ford wants and needs! The answer to the question is with them, They cant wait for it.

Does capacity really matter to you?.. Holden makes 195kw from 3.6lt lol.

HSV GTS E Series 2007 details - CarPoint Australia

[minux]

for the record the F6 is no longer F6 Typhoon, it is just F6

[f1tzy]

for the record the F6 is no longer F6 Typhoon, it is just F6

And thank god for that. The typhoon and tornado suffixes were ridiculous lol