$2.03 ltr petrol

[CSP]

Clubby is my daily and I only run BP or Caltex 98RON fuel. Don't really keep track of it that much cause I don't care what the price of fuel is at all. If the car needs fuel, I fill it up. Also varies if I head out of town at all or head out and about. I'd guess I average $100 a week.

HG is hardly driven at the moment. $30 a month at the absolute MAXIMUM!

Go Kart uses about 1 litre for every 10 laps (98RON made into a 2 stroke mix). Depends how many laps I do. How many races, how much testing etc. Cheapest and most fun motorsport I have ever done though!

I want to get a $200 - $300 **** box for round town weekdays. One that I could care less about dings and dents in car parks etc. Could downgrade the insurance on the Clubby and put less kms on it too...

[sixshooter]

Yeah well it's inevitable costs are going to rise !

Governments are looking at new taxes (greenie taxes/ carbon emission trading schemes) to slap on top as well.

[sleek_vp]

doesnt worry me i fill up monday night usually around $1.20 but $1.50- sucks to live in Sydney

[commsirac]

Id like to see the personal injury premiums abolished and replaced with more fuel tax. Wouldnt it be fairer that this money be collected according to how much one drives and the weight of the car(fuel use generally increases with weight and yes they will do more personal injury damage in accidents if they are heavier).

Im currently selling two cars that barely get driven, only because thereg and ins are just proving too much........why should I pay the personal accident premium many times over.

Of course those currently doing high kms per year wont think its a good idea, and they would certainly feel the impact of the taxes and re-examine their usage.


That would suit many here that own several vehicles here? It would seem many are happy to drive around in a fuel sipping rice box for the majority of the time, but would like the luxury of having another vehicle for heavier work/fun when they want it. atm, many forgo the extra vehicle because of the expense in reg and ins and have made the choice to always be driving the larger vehicle. i need to drive the v8 explorer because I tow a boat once a year etc.

Large vehicles that are parked dont cause environmental problems, burning fuel does........its simple make burning fuel expensive.

[Cheap6]

Id like to see the personal injury premiums abolished and replaced with more fuel tax. Wouldnt it be fairer that this money be collected according to how much one drives and the weight of the car(fuel use generally increases with weight and yes they will do more personal injury damage in accidents if they are heavier).

Im currently selling two cars that barely get driven, only because thereg and ins are just proving too much........why should I pay the personal accident premium many times over.

Of course those currently doing high kms per year wont think its a good idea, and they would certainly feel the impact of the taxes and re-examine their usage.


That would suit many here that own several vehicles here? It would seem many are happy to drive around in a fuel sipping rice box for the majority of the time, but would like the luxury of having another vehicle for heavier work/fun when they want it. atm, many forgo the extra vehicle because of the expense in reg and ins and have made the choice to always be driving the larger vehicle. i need to drive the v8 explorer because I tow a boat once a year etc.

Large vehicles that are parked dont cause environmental problems, burning fuel does........its simple make burning fuel expensive.

That's a sensible idea. Given the current Aust. PM's consultative management style (2020 summit) and his suggestion that Federalism be disposed of, do you think it would be a flier (worth writing to our local member(s) about)?

[PaRaDoX]

i think its time we started a war with china, i think they have oilz....

we all know the US stoled the iraqie oil!!!

[azkwazere]

just wait for global warming to melt antartica... thers oil there... have to be!

aZk.

[satos]

just wait for global warming to melt antartica... thers oil there... have to be!

aZk.

George.W. Bush said so.

[AttaBoy]

Good idea to fill up on Tuesday nights or Wednesday mornings.

[burnz]

mad max:
"the juice get the juice"
lord humungus ruler of the wast land.

[Torquen]

id have 2 agree with minux and cousin slow poke her, if you love cars and love driving then surley you dont mind paying a little more for petrol. im no exactly EXTATIC to be paying $165L for BP 98ron but if thats what it costs to run my car then thats what il pay. as minux said, if you look at what soft drink, booze, smokes and other alikes costs us (and it dosnt drive ya car) its realy not that bad.

[commsirac]

That's a sensible idea. Given the current Aust. PM's consultative management style (2020 summit) and his suggestion that Federalism be disposed of, do you think it would be a flier (worth writing to our local member(s) about)?

Dont know, my local member is a liberal.......appears more concerned with taking up the cause of some old fogies that have all managed to trigger the red light camera on the nepean hwy in cheltenham.......and claim they are innocent.....sigh!

It would have to happen on a federal level, atm the transport accident premium is a state thing.....cant have one state abolishing the premium and the other not........there would just be runs of cheap petrol over the border etc.

[CALAIS 6]

i don't really care what fuel prices are ay i can afford it and i need it so who cares lol

[minux]

Id like to see the personal injury premiums abolished and replaced with more fuel tax. Wouldnt it be fairer that this money be collected according to how much one drives and the weight of the car(fuel use generally increases with weight and yes they will do more personal injury damage in accidents if they are heavier).

Im currently selling two cars that barely get driven, only because thereg and ins are just proving too much........why should I pay the personal accident premium many times over.

Of course those currently doing high kms per year wont think its a good idea, and they would certainly feel the impact of the taxes and re-examine their usage.


That would suit many here that own several vehicles here? It would seem many are happy to drive around in a fuel sipping rice box for the majority of the time, but would like the luxury of having another vehicle for heavier work/fun when they want it. atm, many forgo the extra vehicle because of the expense in reg and ins and have made the choice to always be driving the larger vehicle. i need to drive the v8 explorer because I tow a boat once a year etc.

Large vehicles that are parked dont cause environmental problems, burning fuel does........its simple make burning fuel expensive.

Yes, lets make people WHO HAVE TO drive pay more...perhaps the people that do not have to drive everywhere but do be charged more. How is it fair for those who have to drive 2 hours to work each day because there is no public transport etc? We pay enough tax on fuel already, if anything we should double or triple the cost on all car registrations.

I am happy to keep paying our 3 lots of rego and insurance. Besides, insurance costs us less than the 3 registrations.

[sixshooter]

Yes, lets make people WHO HAVE TO drive pay more...perhaps the people that do not have to drive everywhere but do be charged more. How is it fair for those who have to drive 2 hours to work each day because there is no public transport etc? We pay enough tax on fuel already, if anything we should double or triple the cost on all car registrations.

I am happy to keep paying our 3 lots of rego and insurance. Besides, insurance costs us less than the 3 registrations.

Damn Minux !!!...that works out to about 2.5 years off your life just traveling to and from work... fark that idea !!!!

(45yrs working x 250 trips/year x 2 hrs) /24 /365 = 2.56 yrs

[Scooter79]

Anyone here familiar with the EV1? It was the fully electric car developed by GM through the 90's and put into production but they were only availiable through three year lease programs. Once the lease was up GM refused to let the customers buy the car outright, instead they took the cars and crushed them. GM argued that there was wasn't enough interested in the car but others argued that the US gov't and oil companies had a hand killing the program. Oil companies even went as far as buying patents to prevent rechargable batteries being used in American electric cars. The technology for a full electric car is there but consumers and gov't are against it, and therfore manufacturers are reluctant to develop it.

Let me ask all of you, if a full electric car was avaliable that could come close to the performance of a decent six cylinder, would you buy one?

Some of these EV1's can be seen found on youtube if you wanna see more.

[sixshooter]

Anyone here familiar with the EV1? It was the fully electric car developed by GM through the 90's and put into production but they were only availiable through three year lease programs. Once the lease was up GM refused to let the customers buy the car outright, instead they took the cars and crushed them. GM argued that there was wasn't enough interested in the car but others argued that the US gov't and oil companies had a hand killing the program. Oil companies even went as far as buying patents to prevent rechargable batteries being used in American electric cars. The technology for a full electric car is there but consumers and gov't are against it, and therfore manufacturers are reluctant to develop it.

Let me ask all of you, if a full electric car was avaliable that could come close to the performance of a decent six cylinder, would you buy one?

Some of these EV1's can be seen found on youtube if you wanna see more.

I've never bought a "new" car. By the time they actually hit the second hand market I expect the batteries would be a little tired and replacement batteries would be needed (probably cost a small fortune).

You'd want to get a HSV Energizer Edition that drains the battery in half the time for twice the acceleration anyhow, cause you don't want to loose to a granny on her scooter !!! Scooter !!! lmao !!!

Imagine the performance aftermarket scene... yeah man I got the stage 2 20,000 Volt upgrade kit... it really launches off the line now...

I dunno Scott, I'd probably go back to a motorbike if a fuel crisis occurs.

I cant imagine waiting for a car to charge itself up all the time before you can use it... atleast with petrol you put it in and it's instant go.

[commsirac]

Yes, lets make people WHO HAVE TO drive pay more...perhaps the people that do not have to drive everywhere but do be charged more. How is it fair for those who have to drive 2 hours to work each day because there is no public transport etc? We pay enough tax on fuel already, if anything we should double or triple the cost on all car registrations.

I am happy to keep paying our 3 lots of rego and insurance. Besides, insurance costs us less than the 3 registrations.

Dont know about you, but my TAC insurance is $402.60 per vehicle, I currently have three, explain to me why that is fair when between them they do less than 10000km a year.

No one has to drive 2 hours per day, I dont care which way you cut it, that is a lifestyle choice. Make fuel more expensive and people will stop accepting jobs that are so far away/find cheaper ways to get there/car pool etc, put pressure on the government to fix public transport. dont cry about all those people that will be unemployed and all that, there will still be the same number of jobs to go around! Think about it.

[burnz]

all's i know a lot of car's will be syphoned and driveway run off's.

[Scooter79]

I've never bought a "new" car. By the time they actually hit the second hand market I expect the batteries would be a little tired and replacement batteries would be needed (probably cost a small fortune).

You'd want to get a HSV Energizer Edition that drains the battery in half the time for twice the acceleration anyhow, cause you don't want to loose to a granny on her scooter !!! Scooter !!! lmao !!!

Imagine the performance aftermarket scene... yeah man I got the stage 2 20,000 Volt upgrade kit... it really launches off the line now...

I dunno Scott, I'd probably go back to a motorbike if a fuel crisis occurs.

I cant imagine waiting for a car to charge itself up all the time before you can use it... atleast with petrol you put it in and it's instant go.

I hear what your saying about new technology being expensive. A good example was when DVD players started out. They were close to the thousand dollar mark now you can pick up a decent quality one for as little as $100. It's no difference with battery powered cars. I'm not the type of person who would buy a new either but if you put it into production people will buy it. The more people buy the more profit and the more money availiable for R&D to improve the technology. We have the technology availiable for a fully electric car so lets start to use it.

I wanted to add this youtube link because I think it's rather appropriate... A totally electric car smashes a Ferrari and a porche at the drags....

YouTube - Electric car vs Ferrari

[Scooter79]

For those who are still skeptical about electric cars, take a look at what may become the first mass produced electric car company. 0 - 60mph in 4 seconds. Top speed of 130mph. Not to shabby. And if you argue that the cost of replacing the batteries every 100,000 miles is beyond most people, you would probably save that amount of money in just one year by not paying a cent on petrol and service costs being a minimum. The whole car consists of just 12 moving parts.

YouTube - Tesla Electric Car

[Cheap6]

Dont know, my local member is a liberal.......appears more concerned with taking up the cause of some old fogies that have all managed to trigger the red light camera on the nepean hwy in cheltenham.......and claim they are innocent.....sigh!

It would have to happen on a federal level, atm the transport accident premium is a state thing.....cant have one state abolishing the premium and the other not........there would just be runs of cheap petrol over the border etc.

That's why I mentioned that the current Aust. PM has suggested that the State Govt's could be dispensed with (= Federalism). It would allow a consistent set of regulations to be applied.

Regardless of which party your local member represents, they can still raise issues in parliament for debate if they think they are worthwhile (will get enough votes).

Anyone here familiar with the EV1? It was the fully electric car developed by GM through the 90's and put into production but they were only availiable through three year lease programs. Once the lease was up GM refused to let the customers buy the car outright, instead they took the cars and crushed them. GM argued that there was wasn't enough interested in the car but others argued that the US gov't and oil companies had a hand killing the program. Oil companies even went as far as buying patents to prevent rechargable batteries being used in American electric cars. The technology for a full electric car is there but consumers and gov't are against it, and therfore manufacturers are reluctant to develop it.

Let me ask all of you, if a full electric car was avaliable that could come close to the performance of a decent six cylinder, would you buy one?

Some of these EV1's can be seen found on youtube if you wanna see more.

I would consider buying an electric car if it would do what I want a car to do. I don't think we are quite there yet. The EV1 is as good an effort at introducing an electric vehicle that has been seen in a century or so but wasn't quite good enough. The range is still an issue, even for commuting, as is battery life and cost. When oil based fuels get more expensive, they will look better, perhaps with an auxilliary generator added on for longer trips (series hybrid). No stopping to refuel would be nice though.

I think that "Who Killed the Electric Car" was somewhat biased. I think that EV1's were probaly only available for lease and operators vetted to ensure that other car co.s couldn't buy the technology for the cost of the car. Also it likely allowed GM to upgrade the cars more readily in the light of real world experience and to readily measure the way in which they were being used.

From the point of view of an established car co., EV's would probably be seen as a good thing if people would buy them, not least because they would eliminate the expense of meeting exhaust emission rules. The phase out of engineering and manufacturing investment in ICE's would be gradual enough not to be a problem for them and they will still be needed for long distance journeys and transport anyway.

I don't think that Tesla is there yet either (they haven't sold a car as far as I know) and there are a few others around; in addition to the Ariel Atom based one (Lightning?) there is (at least) the Tango, Myers NmG and a few poxy "urban cars". The Tesla White Star might be more real world too (if it gets built).

I've read a few of the oil industry journals (covering 2007-2008 mostly) recently; The Oil and Gas Journal, Hydrocarbon Processing and Petroleum Review. Very interesting reading.

Articles (more than one) on the kidnapping and ransom of oil industry workers in some countries, States (countries) reneging on investment agreements and annexing privately (oil company) owned infrastructure and the forced sale of gas to electricity providers.

The capital investment required for oil and gas extraction is huge. The rights for exploring an area ("blocks") are auctioned, then the co. gets to drill holes to see what's there = up to 100 million $, then, if they find oil or gas, they get to spend another few billion building the extraction and refining infrastructure and pipelines/terminals. Then hope that they get to keep it all. It's a wonder fuels are as cheap as they are.

[fabz]

i love this debate, everytime it comes up i wanna slap someone. Its simple, no ones forcing you to put fuel in your car, no one is standing there helping you burn more fuel driving when you dont need to. if you dont like it there are other forms of transport so suck it up and move on. Hell go join the armish they dont need fuel lol. now if you dont mind im going to drive down to the shop and get a milky way coz i dont mind the price of fuel and i love driving hahaha

[Scooter79]

I don't think that Tesla is there yet either (they haven't sold a car as far as I know) and there are a few others around; in addition to the Ariel Atom based one (Lightning?) there is (at least) the Tango, Myers NmG and a few poxy "urban cars". The Tesla White Star might be more real world too (if it gets built).

In 2007, Tesla sold 220 vehicles. Not bad at $100,000 a piece. Think about it like this, GM spent a billion dollars in the design of the VE commodore. Imagine what sort of progress would be made if a major manufacturer invested a billion dollars into the design of an electric car. The technology is there but manufacturers are resisting the implementation and further development because they know it would sound the death bell of their combustion engine powered cars. The only thing left to do is figure out how to get more milage from a single battery recharge. Make it a bit bigger for practical family and you're laughing.

[commsirac]

Hydrogen or battery cars can work. the problem is there is no large scale production facility in place that can provide the electricity or the hydrogen gas without producing CO2. While these vehicles may reduce local pollution where they are used, they do not achieve anything on a global scale. I really doubt that hybrids are of much value other than in tight commuter traffic, the only value being no energy consumption while idle and regenerative braking. otherwise the electric motors and batteries just add weight to the car which already has a petrol motor that has to power it along in country areas anyway.