Motorcycling S.A Rules

[greenvs]

i am about to go onto my p's for my motorbike licence and was wondering if the power restriction stills applys when i am on my p's. i want to buy a cbr600rr but dont want to give my hopes up if i cnt legally ride it. anyone know

[nicko]

have a look here
New Power to Weight Limit and Road Safety Strategy for Motorcyclists - Transport SA

and here

Road Safety: Safer drivers > Motorbike licences

if you are still on your R-date then you wont be able to ride it.

[CANYONERO]

CBR600RR on p's - i wouldnt wanna keep my hopes up either, it would be pretty silly if you could (no offence) but if you could legally ride one it dosent say much for these restriction rules, i thought they were there to stop new riders riding quick and powerful bikes (which they are). i think about the only thing you could ride in the 600 range would be a single pot XR600 (not sure though)

if you could i would be spewin! the only thing i could ride on my bike p's was 250cc's. that sucked at least now you have a huge selection to choose from!

[doms3]

the LAMS setup is better than the old 250cc rule ,I just used a letter from my doctor saying I was too heavy for a 250 and went on to unrestricted license straight away,can't do that now too many bike choices,

[Hillerus]

i am about to go onto my p's for my motorbike licence and was wondering if the power restriction stills applys when i am on my p's. i want to buy a cbr600rr but dont want to give my hopes up if i cnt legally ride it. anyone know

Are you an experienced rider? Or do you just want a Cbr600 because thats what everyone else has? If it is your first time on a bike, then don't be an idiot and buy a sportsbike.

I can, however, recommend the Suzuki Gsx 650F. Looks like a sportsbike, has a better riding position then a sportsbike, pulls well in 2nd and 3rd, but, doesnt have the sheer acceleration of a sportsbike. I own one and use it as my daily.

What do you want out of a bike? Cheap transportation? Then buy a scooter. If you have a genuine interest in bikes,but lacking experience, then the previously mentioned Suzuki, a Kawasaki Ninja 250 or even a Hyosung Gt250R or 650R may be the bike for you.

If you go ahead and get one, even if its an old postie bike or something, spend the money and buy decent gear. Helmet, gloves and jacket as a minimum. When I ride on the weekends, I also wear proper pants and riding boots.

"Dress for the worst. Hope for the best"

Have a read of this too:
May 7th 2003

Good luck.

[greenvs]

i do have a cb250 and i have plenty of motocross experience just not on road experience. i just think the cbr600r looks sweet as. that why i want one

[Hillerus]

i do have a cb250 and i have plenty of motocross experience just not on road experience. i just think the cbr600r looks sweet as. that why i want one

I thought the same, but everywhere I looked the were Cbr's. Thats why I went with my Gixxer 750. The new ones look really good, but then so do all the new sportsbikes. Personal preference I guess.

[Shounak]

i do have a cb250 and i have plenty of motocross experience just not on road experience. i just think the cbr600r looks sweet as. that why i want one

You're going to love the jump from one of the least ballsy bikes on the market to a CBR6.

How long have you been riding for? If it's less than a year, I would recommend staying with the CB for a little while. A lot of people have offs as soon as they get their higher powered bike. They take a lot more respect than the 250.

CBR600 is nice, but I'm planning on an FZ1. Nice upright riding position with the power of an R1.

What's your bike being used for?

[naf33n]

i do have a cb250 and i have plenty of motocross experience just not on road experience. i just think the cbr600r looks sweet as. that why i want one

mate if you want one(and your legally allowed to ride it) then get one, just take it easy until your experinecd with that bike, i have a mate that went from a postie to a R1, i went from a postie to a RGV,

no point of wasting money working your way up to a bigger bike, just get one a dont be stupid with it until your experienced with it

[sixshooter]

Omg !!! Omg !!! Omg !!!

[sixshooter]

OMG !!! you want a 600 after just getting off your L's... how quick do you want to die or go to gaol ?

How tall are you ? weight ? Unless you're 6ft and 200kg... I wouldn't recommend it unless you raced motocross or something.

Two-stroke 250 road-bikes would probably be fast enough for you to handle atm.

Wait for a big bike until after your P's expire. Guaranteed you'll be temped to open the taps on it and you won't keep a P plate license very long if you get busted.

[Hillerus]

OMG !!! you want a 600 after just getting off your L's... how quick do you want to die or go to gaol ?

How tall are you ? weight ? Unless you're 6ft and 200kg... I wouldn't recommend it unless you raced motocross or something.

Two-stroke 250 road-bikes would probably be fast enough for you to handle atm.

Wait for a big bike until after your P's expire. Guaranteed you'll be temped to open the taps on in and you won't keep a P plate license very long if you get busted.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[sixshooter]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

How so ??? If he never had a sports bike before he's in for an adrenaline rush like he hasn't experienced before !!! You don't by sportsbikes to puter around on.

I've owned sports bikes bud... I've experienced GSX-R', FZ's, RG500...

These new latest 600 toys are that and more in terms of power to weight... thats why I said unless he's really heavy or experienced in riding a motocross bike... don't bother.

You think noobs should ride such weapons with just 6 months L's or whatever they do these days ???

I did at least 2 years of road riding in all weather on a Rg250 before stepping onto any of those bikes I listed above... which I'm glad I did... P-platers should be learning how to corner and lean and power out of corners rather than dealing with power sliding and compression lock ups on a big bore.

[nicko]

ah motorbike riders,

or temporary Australians as they are known

[Hillerus]

How so ??? If he never had a sports bike before he's in for an adrenaline rush like he hasn't experienced before !!! You don't by sportsbikes to puter around on.

I've owned sports bikes bud... I've experienced GSX-R', FZ's, RG500...

These new latest 600 toys are that and more in terms of power to weight... thats why I said unless he's really heavy or experienced in riding a motocross bike... don't bother.

You think noobs should ride such weapons with just 6 months L's or whatever they do these days ???

I did at least 2 years of road riding in all weather on a Rg250 before stepping onto any of those bikes I listed above... which I'm glad I did... P-platers should be learning how to corner and lean and power out of corners rather than dealing with power sliding and compression lock ups on a big bore.

No, but a 2 stroke? Unless he has experienced a powerband, then I don't think its such a great idea.

If you refer to my original post, you will see my opinion on bikes for noobs.
I do agree with you about P-platers, but I think they should be more concerned about traffic awareness, not target fixating and learning the fundamentals, before learning about leaning etc. That stuff comes with experience.

[sixshooter]

........................... double post wtf ?

[sixshooter]

No, but a 2 stroke? Unless he has experienced a powerband, then I don't think its such a great idea.

If you refer to my original post, you will see my opinion on bikes for noobs.
I do agree with you about P-platers, but I think they should be more concerned about traffic awareness, not target fixating and learning the fundamentals, before learning about leaning etc. That stuff comes with experience.

Yeah I totally agree with you there for a first bike... but if you read above he did state he has ridden motocross before in a further post so he should know what powerband is !

I was using the 2 stroke 250 as a point of being more than enough power for inexperience. I remember a nagging L-Plate friend of mine pestering me for a ride... I let him and the bloody idiot nearly ran out of brakes and ended up going through someones fence.

[Hillerus]

Yeah I totally agree with you there for a first bike... but if you read above he did state he has ridden motocross before in a further post so he should know what powerband is !

I was using the 2 stroke 250 as a point of being more than enough power for inexperience. I remember a nagging L-Plate friend of mine pestering me for a ride... I let him and the bloody idiot nearly ran out of brakes and ended up going through someones fence.

LOL. I always think of an Rs250 when ever someone mentions a 2-stroke. They were pretty cool.

I do wonder why a Cbr too. It seems everyone when they want a bike want a Cbr. They are great bikes, but if everyone has one, would you really want one also?

[wildss]

is it my imagination or is that jizz on the mirror lol

[CANYONERO]

i personally love the R6's riden a couple and they are wild.

[ProphetVX]

OMG !!! you want a 600 after just getting off your L's... how quick do you want to die or go to gaol ?

How tall are you ? weight ? Unless you're 6ft and 200kg... I wouldn't recommend it unless you raced motocross or something.

Two-stroke 250 road-bikes would probably be fast enough for you to handle atm.

Wait for a big bike until after your P's expire. Guaranteed you'll be temped to open the taps on it and you won't keep a P plate license very long if you get busted.

Errr a 2 stroke 250 (depending on model) wouldn't be much slower than CBR600RR.

Get a 4-stroke 250 until you get enough road experience. Or that being said, a VFR400 got plenty of torque to get a heavy body moving and pretty good acceleration whilst the ride position isn't too aggressive.

Get a cheap bike, don't spend a fortune on the thing, chances are you'll drop it at least once. Then move onto more powerful bikes once you have plenty of experience.

[Shounak]

Power delivery on a 2smoke is tonnes different. You'll be accelerating into the turn whilst leaning and then BOOM, the Vtech kicks in YO. Without knowing how to handle the acceleration and the lean, newer riders tend to go for the anchors which straighten them up and sends them into the middle of the intersection or headed for a kerb, face up.

I thank god I didn't learn on a 2smoke 2fiddy. I'd much rather a 600 anyday.

But for a learner, an RGV is much better than 600 still. Snapping on the throttle or flooring it won't send you rocketing forward in an RGV like it will on a CBR600.

But yes, the VFR400 is a good solid bike to ride. They've got a nice meaty feel to them, without the crazy 20,000rpm that you get on the Jap 250's.

If you want a CBR600, i would suggest spending a year on a CBR250R and really learn it. But don't get into the habit of flooring it everywhere.

BTW, A Hornet 600 is a much better learner bike (yeah I know) because you can drop it or have a low speed without the bike getting written off.

[sixshooter]

Power delivery on a 2smoke is tonnes different. You'll be accelerating into the turn whilst leaning and then BOOM, the Vtech kicks in YO. Without knowing how to handle the acceleration and the lean, newer riders tend to go for the anchors which straighten them up and sends them into the middle of the intersection or headed for a kerb, face up.

Shounak who taught you to ride a motor bike?

Slow in... fast out !

Slow down on entry into the apex of a corner !!! NOT accelerate on entry... that's a good way to wash out and loose the front end at the apex of the corner with that style !!! Accelerate only after you've apexed the corner.

I know guys who've raced 4 stroke 600's, 750's etc and had compression lock ups going into a corner cause they tried to go down gears to late while they were starting to crank it over. There's no recovering from the back end overtaking the front around a corner.

If you can compression lock a 2stroke back wheel... I'll give you a medal !!!

I had a few piston seizures and that didn't even lock up the back wheel !

[Shounak]

I agree with you. It hasn't happened to me personally, but I've talked to people who have told me that learning on a 2stroke 2fiddy is hardly optimal.

It's learners who don't know too much about accessing the powerband that run into difficulties. I've found the RGV to have a fairly sudden delivery, which could have got me into trouble (had I not been the awesome rider I am).

I haven't tried to lock it up on a 2stroke, but I managed to do it fairly nicely a few times whilst learning on my FZR250. It was a little more interesting on the Royal Enfield (reverse gears), but no real problems.

All I'm saying is that the OP should master a 4 stroke 250 before jumping on a 2 stroke or a CBR600. If they move onto a 600, they'll probably try to accelerate around something or give a bit of a squeeze and find themselves embedded into the car in front of them before they can say "AAAAGGHHH".

Btw, I would be happy to never ride an RGV250 again. I really don't see the fun in them unless you're 260cc restricted.

[sixshooter]

I agree with you. It hasn't happened to me personally, but I've talked to people who have told me that learning on a 2stroke 2fiddy is hardly optimal.

It's learners who don't know too much about accessing the powerband that run into difficulties. I've found the RGV to have a fairly sudden delivery, which could have got me into trouble (had I not been the awesome rider I am).

I haven't tried to lock it up on a 2stroke, but I managed to do it fairly nicely a few times whilst learning on my FZR250. It was a little more interesting on the Royal Enfield (reverse gears), but no real problems.

All I'm saying is that the OP should master a 4 stroke 250 before jumping on a 2 stroke or a CBR600. If they move onto a 600, they'll probably try to accelerate around something or give a bit of a squeeze and find themselves embedded into the car in front of them before they can say "AAAAGGHHH".

Btw, I would be happy to never ride an RGV250 again. I really don't see the fun in them unless you're 260cc restricted.

I totally agree with you there's no way a learner should jump onto a 600 unless they have raced motocross or similar fast bikes when growing up because they possibly lack the skills to deal with the power.

Like I said up top "How quick do you wanna die or go to gaol ?"