Weird stuff picked up on a roadworthy

[commsirac]

As far a removing so people dont walk into it simple to solve watch were your walking and use your eyes simple.....

Sounds like you really care about other people......not. Cars get driven and parked in public places, they shouldnt have protrusions that can injure people.
so you think you can just hang a solid metal bar anywhere out the car where people can get themselves snagged on? you have to be kidding

as for them being stolen use a hitch pin lock no one will steal it then......

I couldnt care less if someone has their bar stolen, yet havent seen many locking bolts for the ones that are bolted on, as is the tow ball.

I leave mine in as said above if someone runs into from behind then tough for them its their stupid fault for hitting me i going to protect the back of my car as best as possible......
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Yes, why not put a collection of metal spikes there too?... and there are just as many morons that back into other cars while parking etc with their tow bars piercing radiators etc. completely destroying front fenders/bumpers etc. The ones that dont remove the bars are the ones that are more likely to damage others as they obviously couldnt give a .....about anyone else.

[commsirac]

What about that people might tow things on a regular basis? My towball is on way too tight for me to take off and I don't want to play around with something that hauls over a tonne.

I've seen legislation that says it's legal to have a towbar sticking out, as long as it's fitted with a towball AND a rubber shin protector. I can't be bothered fishing it out, but it's legal to drive around with a towball on.

Typically you dont need as big a spanner or force to remove the bar itself, but might need to get down a bit! Maybe 2 x 3/4 inch bolts for the bar as opposed to 1 1/4 inch for the tow ball. To get near the correct torque of 200Nm for a tow ball, most would need at least a 50cm lever/spanner.

[calais_304]

Sounds like you really care about other people......not. Cars get driven and parked in public places, they shouldnt have protrusions that can injure people.
so you think you can just hang a solid metal bar anywhere out the car where people can get themselves snagged on? you have to be kidding
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you have to be kidding, it's not mine or anyones else responsibility to look after your own safty, if you don't look where your going and hit a towball...it's your own fault! why is it anyone else fault if you don't like to look where you walk? should we remove all kerb's because of people that can't take responsibility for themselves, or what about power poles, signs, bollards...there all out in public places and could "snag" anyone.

a towball resides on the rear of a car right....alot of cars have them....why would you compare a towball to "a solid metal bar anywhere people can get snagged" ffs your soft.

[stocky]

you have to be kidding, it's not mine or anyones else responsibility to look after your own safty, if you don't look where your going and hit a towball...it's your own fault!

im gonna go throw bricks at people as i drive past them. if they get hit, its their own fault

[Shounak]

im gonna go throw bricks at people as i drive past them. if they get hit, its their own fault

It's your actions causing it, rather than their negligence.

It's perfectly legal to drive around with a towball, provided it doesn't obstruct the licence plate. I seriously cbf taking off a 200nm nut every fortnight just to protect cars who rear end me and protect people who walk around without looking at what's in front of them.

I'll probably still get further arguments, but if I'm not breaking the law, it's all good.

[commsirac]

you have to be kidding, it's not mine or anyones else responsibility to look after your own safty, if you don't look where your going and hit a towball...it's your own fault! why is it anyone else fault if you don't like to look where you walk? should we remove all kerb's because of people that can't take responsibility for themselves, or what about power poles, signs, bollards...there all out in public places and could "snag" anyone.

a towball resides on the rear of a car right....alot of cars have them....why would you compare a towball to "a solid metal bar anywhere people can get snagged" ffs your soft.

A towbar tongue doesnt compare to a solid metal bar......Im confused!

you are welcome to your opinion, so you think protrusions on the back of cars are ok? how far, is 9inches of tbar OK? , 12inches......2 feet, 3 feet......see the problem? A line has to be drawn in the sand......no protrusions.
Perhaps have a look at:http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...FF/0/VSI24.pdf
It doesnt say leaving the towbar tongue on is illegal, just that leaving it there may represent a dangerous situation and may need to be removed when not actually towing. (obviously some vehicles, the tow bar doesnt project beyond the outside boarders of the vehicle)
Clear enough?



Anyway, do what you like, ....but someone who snaps their tibia on your tow bar might just hire a good lawyer and cause you some finanicial hardship.

[commsirac]

It's your actions causing it, rather than their negligence.

It's perfectly legal to drive around with a towball, provided it doesn't obstruct the licence plate. I seriously cbf taking off a 200nm nut every fortnight just to protect cars who rear end me and protect people who walk around without looking at what's in front of them.

I'll probably still get further arguments, but if I'm not breaking the law, it's all good.

Taking off the ball wont do much, its the whole tongue that needs to come off, and that as I explained is easier to do......

[jas98]

how the **** are you supposed to remove the tow ball and tongue some dont have the option to remove the tounge..

[STEALTHY™]

how the **** are you supposed to remove the tow ball and tongue some dont have the option to remove the tounge..

undo the 2 bolts holding it on?

[Shounak]

Taking off the ball wont do much, its the whole tongue that needs to come off, and that as I explained is easier to do......

Nothing needs to come off, you would like it to come off so you can walk around without looking where you're going.

A 1st year law student could defend a case like that whilst high on drugs and win.

Who the hell runs so fast around the back of a car that they would break their tibia, one of the strongest bones in your body and then blame it on the stationary two tonne object there in the first place.

Like I said before, it's perfectly legal to leave a towbar on and not everyone has the aptitude or the means to remove and refit their towbar everytime they need to tow something.

Portrusions are allowed anyway. I'm reasonably certain that if something portrudes a certain distance (specified in the regs somewhere) you need a flag of certain colour and dimensions.

Rather than tell everyone what they should do, why not suggest a change in the legislation to your local member of parliament. Tell them it's because you keep hitting your tibia on everyones towbar, I don't know why you'd always walk so close but who cares.

Get it legislated against or live with it, because it's legal.

[STEALTHY™]

Nothing needs to come off, you would like it to come off so you can walk around without looking where you're going.

A 1st year law student could defend a case like that whilst high on drugs and win.

Who the hell runs so fast around the back of a car that they would break their tibia, one of the strongest bones in your body and then blame it on the stationary two tonne object there in the first place.

Like I said before, it's perfectly legal to leave a towbar on and not everyone has the aptitude or the means to remove and refit their towbar everytime they need to tow something.

Portrusions are allowed anyway. I'm reasonably certain that if something portrudes a certain distance (specified in the regs somewhere) you need a flag of certain colour and dimensions.

Rather than tell everyone what they should do, why not suggest a change in the legislation to your local member of parliament. Tell them it's because you keep hitting your tibia on everyones towbar, I don't know why you'd always walk so close but who cares.

Get it legislated against or live with it, because it's legal.

1 metre past the rear axle. (measured from the centre of the axle, not the end of the wheel arch as some people assume)


I also had a chuckle at it being illegal to have the tongue on there when not in use, its only illegal if it blocks the numberplate, and quite obviously on that VR, it doesn't.

[jas98]

undo the 2 bolts holding it on?

yeh true :P but some don't have that option either (some older cars) but still its stupid law ....like the law about a burglar breaking into a house and hurting them selfs they can sure the owner neither know there trespassing in the first place like wtf lol

[BANKS]

Thats why I like QLD about this issue. The only roadworthy we have to do is when selling/buying a car, not every year.

In the southern states, do you have to goto the transport office, or can it be done at a mechanics?

I must say thou, i wish they would bring it up here, would take all of the **** boxes of the streets

[maginoodle]

1 metre past the rear axle. (measured from the centre of the axle, not the end of the wheel arch as some people assume)

i was a truck driver and was taught that you could overhang 1.2 meters from the rear of the truck. when i worked for toll carrying cars i was told to overhang that far. when loading out at salisbury i never had any problems, the same with loading those others at broadmedows.
i have been pulled over by the different state transport authorities and have only ever been booked for overwieght and have had cars overhanging the back on most occasions.

[commsirac]

Like I said before, it's perfectly legal to leave a towbar on and not everyone has the aptitude or the means to remove and refit their towbar everytime they need to tow something.

You are correct, not everyone has that aptitude, doesnt make it right to leave it there though.
Did you read this:http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rd...FF/0/VSI24.pdf
it says its perfectly legal?

Portrusions are allowed anyway. I'm reasonably certain that if something portrudes a certain distance (specified in the regs somewhere) you need a flag of certain colour and dimensions.

Yes, you can have stuff overhanging.....if you put a red flag on the object

Rather than tell everyone what they should do, why not suggest a change in the legislation to your local member of parliament. Tell them it's because you keep hitting your tibia on everyones towbar, I don't know why you'd always walk so close but who cares.
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I dont have to: its clear from the vicroads doc that it is dangerous practice and should result in the car receiving a defect. Im only urging you to take heed from a legal point of view.
Obviously, if I need to explain to someone why the practice is dangerous, inconsiderate(even for those who accidently run into you), then there is little hope........that's why we have regulations....to protect us from those who never get it.

[STEALTHY™]

i was a truck driver and was taught that you could overhang 1.2 meters from the rear of the truck. when i worked for toll carrying cars i was told to overhang that far. when loading out at salisbury i never had any problems, the same with loading those others at broadmedows.
i have been pulled over by the different state transport authorities and have only ever been booked for overwieght and have had cars overhanging the back on most occasions.

Keep in mind there are lots of rules that ar different for trucks than cars (can you drive at 110 legally? Or 'could' you drive at 150 on a NT road years ago legally?)

I'm not 100% that 1 metres is correct, as its been a while since i ripped the folder out and had a look.

[satos]

maginoodle
had a brake line knocked back because it looked perished, we put some braid covering on it and it passed.

He had every right it got knocked back.Too bad if you end up killing someone or yourself because your brake line failed.
Some people unfortunately have to learn the hard way.
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[jules]

i was a truck driver and was taught that you could overhang 1.2 meters from the rear of the truck. when i worked for toll carrying cars i was told to overhang that far. when loading out at salisbury i never had any problems, the same with loading those others at broadmedows.
i have been pulled over by the different state transport authorities and have only ever been booked for overwieght and have had cars overhanging the back on most occasions.

the requirement for rear overhang is actually measured relative to the rear axle(s). it's basically 3.7m from the rear axle centre line, unless you've got a short wheelbase in which case it's less. if the vehicle is already maxed out on length (19m for most vehicles, but 25 i think for car carriers), then the load can't overhang at all.

hardly anyone knows or enforces the real rules though.

[coolvxss]

[QUOTE=commsirac;795291]Sounds like you really care about other people......not. Cars get driven and parked in public places, they shouldnt have protrusions that can injure people.
so you think you can just hang a solid metal bar anywhere out the car where people can get themselves snagged on? you have to be kidding

Haha the funniest thing i have read. Are you one of those people that sue every1 for anything. Like trip over a crack in foot path, or walk into a glass door haha. Lucky my car is pained bright red or you might not see it and walk into it and sue me because i broke your tibia haha. Just open up your eyes and use some common sense.

[BOGANV8]

Sounds like you really care about other people......not. Cars get driven and parked in public places, they shouldnt have protrusions that can injure people.
so you think you can just hang a solid metal bar anywhere out the car where people can get themselves snagged on? you have to be kidding


I couldnt care less if someone has their bar stolen, yet havent seen many locking bolts for the ones that are bolted on, as is the tow ball.


Yes, why not put a collection of metal spikes there too?... and there are just as many morons that back into other cars while parking etc with their tow bars piercing radiators etc. completely destroying front fenders/bumpers etc. The ones that dont remove the bars are the ones that are more likely to damage others as they obviously couldnt give a .....about anyone else.

I do care about other people but sometimes people have to be responsable for their action as you said PUBLIC place and people do have bits hanging off their cars so keep an eye when your walking in a PUBLIC place. I know when i walk out in a PUBLIC place i keep my eyes open and look asround and i also know that if i go between to cars that ITS POSSIBLE that the car may have a towbar/protrusion so as i dont hurt myself

Really people in this world have to start taking responability for their own actions and not blaming the tool who left his towbar lug in or who put that crack in the roadway etc etc etc etc

The locking pins are only for the H/D towbars with the slide out neck sorry i should of clarified that one.....


Metal spikes are a bit over the top but cant really have them fitted here in NSW.. But as you said morons (that cant drive) and do those things..

Like i said before some states have some weird and wacky rules regarding cars...

[Galixia]

lol i was just thinking... what about the side mirrors... are they illegal as well cause they r a protrusion from the vehicle as well... just as long as the towbar can be

[Full Spectrum]

yeah you guys a right. those guys are the bastards

My mum got hit in the rear at a red light last year, A didn't have a ball on and the car went over the top and marked up the bar and broke a support.

Can't wait till they make force fields to protect cars at shopping centre