VY v XR6T

[Torquen]

My mate just bought a SII VY 285kw Clubsport yesterday, stock part from a catback exhaust (payed $32000) and its slower than my bog stock XR6T. Its only about a car length slower but that good enough 4 me. was realy surprised to be honest, with a good 45kw difference i thought hed b a touch quicker. both myn a his run between a 13.8-14.1 (depending on traction issues)

[feistl]

Stock, their not super quick. OTR intake, tune etc and it'll be running 11s. Obviously stock vs stock and modified vs modified are two different things... but yeah.

[TWOJZ]

yes, commodores are slow, most people already know this.

[Torquen]

yes, commodores are slow, most people already know this.

yes, but clubbys arnt ment to be!

[cxcxcxvcvcvc]

yes, but clubbys arnt ment to be!

Seen a vid of a vy/vz clubby get decimated against a fpv typhoon! i had the fun of taking a xr6T for a spin about a month ago or so and it got up and went alright for what i was expecting

[feistl]

Im not defending HSVs/Commodores, i actually really love the Typhoon and a few other fords (actually the BA/BF range are sexy as, but the FG are terrible) but ford have got most of the power out of their cars. There isnt a huge amount of room for improvement.

Whereas the Holdens have their engines tuned on the conservative side. It doesnt take much to get a LOT of power cheaply...

I mean take a stock standard HSV vs FPV. Spend an extra $5000 on each car and then compare them. I think you'll find the HSV will walk all over the Fords.

And i know that comment will draw a lot of "Holden vs Ford" nonsense. But thats the way i see it. As i said, i really like the BA/BF falcons, and id probably buy one of them over a HSV (although i still prefer the VX SS or VY SS Wagon over almost ANY other car)

[Bravotwozero]

Stock, their not super quick. OTR intake, tune etc and it'll be running 11s. Obviously stock vs stock and modified vs modified are two different things... but yeah.

You won't get an LS1 into the 11's with bolt-ons mate.

[adamc11]

Is yours manual? Is his auto? That could explain it.

My mate has an xr6 turbo (auto)... when my vy ss (manual) was stock i took him in a ride and he reckons his xr6t had the slightest edge. I have since had a tune and full exhaust, and i reckon it would clean up a stock xr6t.

[feistl]

You won't get an LS1 into the 11's with bolt-ons mate.

Bolt on a charger for $5k and you'd be looking at around 350rwkw... that should be enough for an 11s pass?

One of the forum members got a stock VR V6 wagon to 11.67s with a big turbo... So surely a LS1 could run 11s without too much effort.

[Torquen]

You won't get an LS1 into the 11's with bolt-ons mate.

youd be surprised! there's this VY SS ute in the latest aussie utes mag running 11 flat with a tune, cam and exhaust.

to be deadly honest id prefer a clubby over my car because i love V8's, but insurance at 19 years old suck with a V8 so my XR6T will do just nicley for now.
as for spending 5g on either a clubby or say a typhoon ude get better results from the typhoon. say your were spending 10g then yeh the ls1/ls2 would probs have the upper hand. the 'bang for buck' value from the XR6T's and the Phoons is what made me buy one.

[cxcxcxvcvcvc]

I mean take a stock standard HSV vs FPV. Spend an extra $5000 on each car and then compare them. I think you'll find the HSV will walk all over the Fords.

Usually i would agree with that and Not to defend ford here but taken from the capa site:

To suit xr6T
STAGE 5 370 - 400kW Performance Package $4,620.00
Includes:
Flash Tuner
42lb Injectors
Slim T-Rex Fuel Pump
3” Cat-Back Exhaust, Stainless
3" Dump Pipe & High Flow Cat, Stainless HPC Coated
CAPA Replacement Air-Air Intercooler

NORMALLY ASPIRATED PERFORMANCE PACKAGE (based on 225kw ls1 engine non hsv)
320kW Pack
4 into 1 Extractors
Cat-back 2.5" Exhaust system, Mandrel Bent Mild Steel
Cold Air Intake (Air Box mounted)
4" MAF-T/Body Tube
K&N Filter Panel
PCM Program, Mafless
80mm T/Body $ 3,495.00
Optional Upgrade to HPC Extractors + $ 300.00
Optional Upgrade to stainless steel exhaust system + $ 695.00

I know the above mentioned is not based on a hsv ls1 but still bang for your buck with both these kits (one being installed on say a vx clubby and the other a xr6T) the ford xr6T would be the one doing the walking away!

[Torquen]

both my car and my mates are 6spd manuals.

[feistl]

Usually i would agree with that and Not to defend ford here but taken from the capa site:
away!

What you've done though is take the base level old holden V8 (LS1) and done some non FI upgrades... and compared it to the top ford model with FI. Comparing Apples with Apples...


To suit xr6T
STAGE 5 370 - 400kW Performance Package $4,620.00

To suit LS2
4.5psi-6psi Kit
Retail Price: $4,995
Rated Horsepower of Kit: 365kW - 420kW

So i mean they are pretty evenly matched there, but a MAFless Tune would bump that up quite a bit more, and its about $300....

And ill see if i can find some more info on it, but you can get an OTR intake, Exhuast and MAFless tune for about $3-4k which gives you around 300+rwkw....


Then you look at the slightly higher end...

To suit XR6t
STAGE 6 400kW+ Performance Package $8,895.00

To suit LS1
7psi Kit
Retail Price: $6,995
Rated Horsepower of Kit: 440kW-460kW

Add an intercooler to that, probably cost ya around $9k and you'd be looking at 500kW+

Anyway, back to my original comment... For around $5k i could get my hands on a 7PSI intercooled kit for a LS1 which would produce around 500kw... CAPA is expensive. The thing is, you cant really get the ford stuff as cheap, there just tends to be less of it out there.

Anyway, its a bit off topic. As i said, i really do like the BA/BF fords, and would be happy to spend money buying one. There are lots of reasons why the HSV didnt win... Driving skills, conditions, fuel etc etc etc. You did a single run and there was only half a car length in it, bad launch would easily cost that, if not more. It also depends how fast/far you were racing too.

Again, im not trying to defend the HSV merely pointing out theres a lot more to it than a single race which had half a cars length in difference.

[Torquen]

[QUOTE=feistl;811774]What you've done though is take the base level old holden V8 (LS1)
which gives you around 300+rwkw....QUOTE]

well if you compare year to year my car came out when the LS1 was the top holden engine and its taking the base ford performace engine. given you should prob compare it to a SS for a fairer result.
also 300kw means sweet FA if ya dont have the torque to match. hence why my car is currently quicker than my mates. he has 45kw over my but i have a large amount of torque over him. torque is what make you go, not kw.

and yes you make a good point that it was only one run. both had full tanks no passengers obviously. i had a little wheel spin on launch he had none.

[Farlig]

both my car and my mates are 6spd manuals.

i had numerious runs against a boosted up ba xr6t, we would both drop too 2nd and then go thru to top speeds. we were both neck and neck albeit he would creep infront ever so slightly in 2nd and i would creap infront in higher gears. all i have is a tune, nothing else.

oh and both manuals.

[feistl]

well if you compare year to year my car came out when the LS1 was the top holden engine and its taking the base ford performace engine. given you should prob compare it to a SS for a fairer result.
also 300kw means sweet FA if ya dont have the torque to match. hence why my car is currently quicker than my mates. he has 45kw over my but i have a large amount of torque over him. torque is what make you go, not kw.

Again, theres a lot more too it but the HSV has 285Kw/510Nm and the XR6t has 240Kw/450Nm.

I mean the ford did well considering its considerably cheaper etc etc. There is a lot too it. On paper, the HSV really should have won that. More power, no Turbo lag. Only 6kg heavier :P

Fuel could make a difference (Premium vs standard), tires especially will make a difference. As you said, you had wheel spin and the HSV didnt, maybe he wasnt going hard enough at the start?

[cxcxcxvcvcvc]

Either way both fine cars, wouldnt mind owning either of em
and @ the end of the day each to their own weather forced 6 or worked 8, both will go hard with a bit of cash thrown @ em i spose its just each to their own, if i win gold lotto i will buy a phoon and a VE GTS

[Torquen]

hmm, yeh my bad i was lookn at the 260kw stats. yeh on paper he should win.
both have maxxis tyres, buth running BP Ultimate 98ron. hope fully when quinnana motorplex opens again after winter we can get a few more runs in

[cxcxcxvcvcvc]

hmm, yeh my bad i was lookn at the 260kw stats. yeh on paper he should win.
both have maxxis tyres, buth running BP Ultimate 98ron. hope fully when quinnana motorplex opens again after winter we can get a few more runs in

haha was funny when i took the xr6t for a test drive i had my dad as a test pilot passenger then he took it for a spin and i was the test pilot pasenger:S

[Torquen]

yes a VE GTS and a FG F6 would be nice!!!

[ashbox]

but insurance at 19 years old suck with a V8 so my XR6T will do just nicley for now.

wouldn't have thought there'd be much diff between the turbo and the V8 for a 19 yo.

thats going on you hypothetically buying an SS or SV8, of course the HSV is gonna cost more just cos of the badge

[RVN 355]

xr6 t is a damn quick car,there is no question the new vlt,any ways you pay for a hsv im sure its quick and stuff,must just be a weight issue or just not enough top end too beat the blue oval, throw in some better gears, underdrive pulley,headers bigger cam and see...

[Torquen]

wouldn't have thought there'd be much diff between the turbo and the V8 for a 19 yo.

thats going on you hypothetically buying an SS or SV8, of course the HSV is gonna cost more just cos of the badge

youd think not but a VY SS was goin to cost me $4200 and a VX Clubby was goin to cost $5900, where as the XR6T is only costing me $2300. big difference. but yes as you said it makes no sense that there is a difference in price as the XR6T is as quick if not a little faster.

[fabz]

XR6T for the win every time. Bang for buck cheapest HP you can buy. I love holden but ford has the right ideawith the turbo!

[Full Spectrum]

Yesterday getting on the freeway i had an XR8 ute and a Tornado ute behind me, The XR8 ute was a wank tried to cut me off in a single lane he though it's only 1 lane i can pass.

Anyway he gunned it around a truck into the far right, All the time this Tornado was just sitting there watching behind me, He then from about 90kp/h guns it this mother ****er took off like a rocket! past the truck past the XR8 ute and around everyone could hardly hear it gave we wet dreams to be honest.

Found this..
YouTube - Commodore and XR6 Turbo Run
YouTube - XR6 Turbo and Commodore Run 2