Motorsport and petrol

[undar8ed1]

Right first let me point out out that I love motorsport (all forms).

Ok so with the escelating price on fuel don`t you think there would some logic of cutting back on motorsport then eventually cutting it down to a race a year (holden vs ford only ) I mean all that fuel burnt for the sake of entertainment while we are going to pay $2 a litre soon might make a great debate!! as for the race drivers sorry but you may have to get a real job like the rest of us.

I know there would a lot at stake jobs, advertising etc.. but at the end ofthe day it will help towards dropping demand and prices. If you had the power to choose what would it be????

[CSP]

Motorsport is a drop in the ocean compared to military consumption and aviation consumption.

Cutting back on motorsport wouldnt stop the demand for fuel in the two fastest growing markets in the world - India and China. Its largely due to their demand that prices are where they are today.

[MasterOfReality]

The amount of fuel consumed in a motorsport race would be tiny compared to the fuel used by the thousands of spectators in getting to the event.

Solution?

Ban motorsport

[Pub247]

I have to agree petrol and its cost dont make a huge impact on team budgets in some form of motorsport you just have to look at f1 they spend more money on developing a tiny peice of aero then they'd probably use in petrol in 2 seasons

[undar8ed1]

I understand the amount diffo but the reason /outcome is very different
between transport vehicles delivering something and watching a bombed racecar
going around in circles purely for entertainment.
CSP I denfinatly agree on the military, what a waste.

[andrewmac]

I dont get the argument.
Are you saying we should cut down on races cause its wasting money or are you saying it should be cut back because of the enviromental impact??

Either argument is confusing to me.
The money for the fuel is not coming out of your pocket and the only people who are going to pay for it would be the people who are willing to pay for the entertainment. Were not going through a fuel supply shortage its just expensive and again its not costing any one but the motorsport fan.
If its an enviromental issue then there is no argument there cause its just a drop in the ocean compared to what cars on the road everyday contribute, even cows produce more C02, should we kill all the cows aswell ??

[undar8ed1]

The debate is about the usless consumption of fuel pushig the price up demand = more$$$$$ per litre, in fact "they" rekon it will get that expensive that no many people can afford the drive to work so the trend to P/trans, ride etc.. will increased ok then because they are no using it (fuel) demand falls then something else happens humm........???? (take a guess), my argument is that a premptive stike now will help (not solve ) the escelating problem.
Apparently we have only 40yrs worth left (at the current consumption rate, which will inflate) so something (lifestyles) will have to change as they can`t contuine like this (logicly).
though they have the oil in rocks and sand but it`s more than twice the
thilf level as standard oil. I`d rather pay a cheaper price at the pump and not see much/any motorsport (which I have targeted as the most inefficent/worthless outcome the consumption for fuel) than start using thilfy s#*t.

[Ripcell]

the fuel cost is a meer bees dick compared to what teams are spending on their equipment, a holden motorsport engine is worth half a house, the fact that petrol has doubled is worth nothing to them

[Julie]

Thanks for this topic, there goes 2 mins of my life I'll never get back!

[commsirac]

I wouldnt mind the racing if it had some developments it could feed back into normal motoring.
But really v8 supercars(, the stripped out shells,synchroless gearboxes, flames belching out the exhaust 600hp 7500rpm redlined , heated windscreens etc, holden and ford clones feed nothing back to the consumer in better vehicles.

Basically the formula was agreed on, because they figured only the noise of unmuffled v8s will get enough people to go and watch cars go round in circles and they didnt want imported cars winning the races, ie the sierras, bmws and skylines of the 80s.

Make em run, motors and exhausts that meet emission and noise regs.....give them a fuel limit and then maybe something might be developed that is of benefit to the consumer

Racing improves the breed?......once upon a time maybe, possibly got the disc brake onto production cars 5 years earlier than they might have but thesedays manufacturers dont need racing to develop better vehicles.

[CSP]

the stripped out shells,synchroless gearboxes, flames belching out the exhaust 600hp 7500rpm redlined , heated windscreens etc,

There are trucks with syncroless gearboxes.
Flames will come out of any hot exhaust if there's any unburned fuel. Means the mixture is too rich usually but it will still happen.
I know of plenty of road cars that EASILY have more than 600hp and redline a lot higher than 7500rpm.
My 1970 HG Holden Premier has a heated windscreen.


Most car technology takes its origins from aeronautical engineering actually. Technology that first appears on aeroplanes, then finds its way to race cars and road cars and not necessarily in that order.

The biggest thing about modern motorsport though, is marketing. And I mean that generally, not just marketing of the cars.

[commsirac]

There are trucks with syncroless gearboxes.
Flames will come out of any hot exhaust if there's any unburned fuel. Means the mixture is too rich usually but it will still happen.
I know of plenty of road cars that EASILY have more than 600hp and redline a lot higher than 7500rpm.
My 1970 HG Holden Premier has a heated windscreen.
.

I was talking about cars that are legal and that are currently marketed to the general consumer by gm and ford. Ive never seen them with electrically heated front windscreens. Yes, I know why the do it, becuase the heaters been ripped out, but id like to see them keep the screen clear using the demisters we use!
a car can meet current emission regs and flames out the exhausts?

[immortality]

i think this has taken a wrong turn from the intended issue from the original post which seemed to be about the fuel that "wasted" in motorsport. unfortunatly even if all motorsport around the world was cancelled today it still wouldn't impact fuel prices at all. as has been mentioned above, it's the growing demand from both china and india thats driving up world oil prices as well as the speculation crap that goes on with the **** thats happening in the gulf like iran.

simple solution, nuke iran, india and china. then fuel consumption will be back to normal levels and we can all get on with our uneventfull lives watching motorsport

[Holdfast]

I have no statistics regarding the Motor-Sport industry and their fuel useage.

I suspect, it would be much less than the volume of fuel and oil used by Lawn Mowers, Wipper Snippers, and Model-Airplanes, world wide.

Also, 'Race-Drivers' do have a legitimate job; they pay tax like anyone else.

Please define what a real-job is? Is your job a real-job?

Please tell us what you do?

[minux]

I have no statistics regarding the Motor-Sport industry and their fuel useage.

I suspect, it would be much less than the volume of fuel and oil used by Lawn Mowers, Wipper Snippers, and Model-Airplanes, world wide.

Also, 'Race-Drivers' do have a legitimate job; they pay tax like anyone else.

Please define what a real-job is? Is your job a real-job?

Please tell us what you do?

I dont think "dole bludger" was a job last time i checked.

[Holdfast]

I dont think "dole bludger" was a job last time i checked.

Nice shot

[minux]

Nice shot

Was probably a little harsh


Seriously though, the fuel problem in Australia can be resolved quick smart, have public transport like japans. After watching top gear earlier, that system is amazing.

As for motorsport, it uses jack all fuel, we should be looking to bolster our rail network to reduce heavy vehicles running up and down the highways guzzling down massive amounts of fuel.

[88GreenVN]

Herd a trucky say his B double drinks $1000 to go from Adelaide to Darwin. Would that be right? What does a B Double ave in litres per 100 kms? Cant be all that good

Car racing is OK for now - they just need to show that they care a bit about the enviroment and all will be good.

[immortality]

Was probably a little harsh


Seriously though, the fuel problem in Australia can be resolved quick smart, have public transport like japans. After watching top gear earlier, that system is amazing.

As for motorsport, it uses jack all fuel, we should be looking to bolster our rail network to reduce heavy vehicles running up and down the highways guzzling down massive amounts of fuel.

you make a good point. we have similar problems here. all containers arriving at the port of Auckland must leave the port on trucks as they no longer use the rail access it use to have. thats a **** load of heavy vehicles traveling through the city and inner motorway system which is gridlocked halfthe time. clever politicians again there. sold the railways to TOLL holdings which has run it down.

now that i think of it, i now know why hte government increased the Road User Charges for heavy vehicles here. there trying to force people to use the crappy railway system they just bought back.

unfortunatly the only way your going to see a large decrease in fuel prices is a change in the world price of oil as all local prices are driven by factors outside the control of even the mighty australian federal government.

i still say, get out those nukes

[undar8ed1]

I have no statistics regarding the Motor-Sport industry and their fuel useage.

I suspect, it would be much less than the volume of fuel and oil used by Lawn Mowers, Wipper Snippers, and Model-Airplanes, world wide.

Also, 'Race-Drivers' do have a legitimate job; they pay tax like anyone else.

Please define what a real-job is? Is your job a real-job?

Please tell us what you do?

lol, I thought it was funny uno cause its such a nice job it just can`t be REAL
I earn $25hr managing a department at woolies thats as real as it gets for me
sniper.

[Holdfast]

Was probably a little harsh


Seriously though, the fuel problem in Australia can be resolved quick smart, have public transport like japans. After watching top gear earlier, that system is amazing.

As for motorsport, it uses jack all fuel, we should be looking to bolster our rail network to reduce heavy vehicles running up and down the highways guzzling down massive amounts of fuel.

I couldn't agree more.

Level 5 Nuclear power plants producing electricity energy for logistical infrastructure, desalination plants and general consumer city requirements would be an easy way to solve many problems.

But there's many who disagree with using the 'N' word for green energy.

Unfortunately, in a consumer driven economic system, change does not come fast.

Just a bit off topic, but the amount of duplication in Australia and other countries is just rediculous. Have a google of each council in Australia and you will see the wasted effort. Each has their own way of doing things, there's no centralised control with decentralised execution it's just a complete waste of resources.

[minux]

On the N word, isn't a by product of nuclear energy fresh clean drinking water? Desalination plants aren't the answer, it surely can't be good pumping in billions of litres of water and pumping back out millions of tonnes of salt/sand etc surely this would have an adverse effect on sea life?

France is a perfect example of how we should be looking, from my understanding they use 60% nuclear and 40% hydro to power the entire country.

[Holdfast]

On the N word, isn't a by product of nuclear energy fresh clean drinking water? Desalination plants aren't the answer, it surely can't be good pumping in billions of litres of water and pumping back out millions of tonnes of salt/sand etc surely this would have an adverse effect on sea life?

France is a perfect example of how we should be looking, from my understanding they use 60% nuclear and 40% hydro to power the entire country.

Perhaps minux (regarding the desal), The water they pump in is taken from locations that are relatively free of debris like sand etc. As you know the water has to be clarified first before it goes through the filters as they are very very expensive.

As for discharge of the salty water etc, you may be correct but that might depend on the location of the plant and the local currents. The East Coast Current flows at a pretty good rate and depending on how the water is discharged would obviously affect the PPM of the surrounding water.

As you know, many fish prefer different levels (PPM) of salt and of course water temp and Oxygen levels would affect any sea-life.

Mate don't take me the wrong way on this, I probably used the desalination plant as an example (poor example) for how infrastructure good or bad could be powered by "N".

Having said that, if Nuclear Fusion is developed instead of the current Nuclear Fission then it would be financially viable to have as much infrastructure as required.

Err, I think there's something like 160 billion years of 'reserves' for nuclear fusion if seawater is used.

[minux]

Herd a trucky say his B double drinks $1000 to go from Adelaide to Darwin. Would that be right? What does a B Double ave in litres per 100 kms? Cant be all that good

Car racing is OK for now - they just need to show that they care a bit about the enviroment and all will be good.

Sorry missed this post. If the trucky is claiming that, well he should share his secret. A single (45.5 tonne in old Mass Management scheme) would do around 1 litre per 2km depending on conditions. A b-double(68 tonne old scheme) is anywhere from 1.5-1.7km per litre.A drivere will travel approximately 3100 km's(based on union distance). At todays market that would cost around $3660 one way for 2000 litres of petrol.

So if this guy is paying $1000 for fuel he must have a mate filling him up along the way.

[STEALTHY™]

Ban all entertainment.


Football. You have millions of tonnes worth of rubbish, petrol for spectators to get there, all of which destroy the environment. Since football is more popular in Aus, that means on comparisen, football consumes more petrol than motorsport.



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