Melbourne Tunnel Crash! WOA!!!

[CSP]

You fool (patience running thing now ). If the truck in front of the idiot truck has had time to merge then there would have been no accident.

L8r

Personal attack aside, if the truck in front had have been able to merge SAFELY Im sure he would have. Instead, acting on common sense, he slowed down and stopped. Just like the moron behind him should have.

[stocky]

fool is a personal attack?

[thestig]

Look at it another way... The truck in front of the moron was able to slow down completely and stop without incident.

Yes.. and the further you go back in the line of traffic the less reaction time there is for the people that follow. It's basic physics. I believe it can be referred to colloquially as the “concertina effect”.

L8r

[minux]

Because this argument is not about whether truck driver was an idiot. We all know that. It is about is whether or not the authorities had taken adequate common sense steps, in a timely manner, to protect innocent motorists from the like of idiot truck drivers.

L8r

As I said, in a position liek that you asses the situation, if it were me, I would of deemed it safe, truck was stopped with hazards on, it was visible to all motorists except those tailgating, so in a situation like this, I too would of kept driving, why make a situation potentially worse when there are procedures in place for these break downs?

Fact is hindsight is an amazing thing. I doubt however, that police presence would of made any difference.

there is 9 frames of footage on the first video from when the police car is visible(beside the broken truck), to when the truck hits. To me , even if they had stopped, it owuld of just been one extra dead. A few seconds WOULD NOT of made the difference.

[stocky]

but if the police car sat there with its lights on, and proper announcements and lane closures were used, its 5 minutes of warning to the cars in front of the truck, which using the "concertina effect" as mentioned, wouldve resulted in the truck slowing down long before it reached the tunnel

[CSP]

Reaction time doesn't change if people are driving safely, and at safe distances, behind the vehicle in front of them.

The concertina effect simply means that the point of congestion would keep moving back as more and more traffic slows/stops.

Its OK though. I now understand why you can't understand this scenario.

[minux]

but if the police car sat there with its lights on, and proper announcements and lane closures were used, its 5 minutes of warning to the cars in front of the truck, which using the "concertina effect" as mentioned, wouldve resulted in the truck slowing down long before it reached the tunnel

Mate the police were there just SECONDS before hand. Not minutes.

[stocky]

Reaction time doesn't change if people are driving safely, and at safe distances, behind the vehicle in front of them.

The concertina effect simply means that the point of congestion would keep moving back as more and more traffic slows/stops.

Its OK though. I now understand why you can't understand this scenario.

**** you. we understand it fine. get rid of the arrogance.

go research how the effect relates to traffic and come back. moron

[stocky]

Mate the police were there just SECONDS before hand. Not minutes.

how about lane closures and announcements?

[minux]

how about lane closures and announcements?

That has nothing to do with the police though. Which is what this is all about.

[stocky]

That has nothing to do with the police though. Which is what this is all about.

ah. well my points refer to any kind of warning in general. not just some hazard lights on a stationary car. something that would result in the traffic having to slow down long before the accident scene, resulting in very slow moving traffic where the truck wouldve been at this point in time. lane closure couldve done that

[minux]

ah. well my points refer to any kind of warning in general. not just some hazard lights on a stationary car. something that would result in the traffic having to slow down long before the accident scene, resulting in very slow moving traffic where the truck wouldve been at this point in time. lane closure couldve done that

It was done, but too late.

Also, being in the left lane, are they meant to close the city outbound lane to the tunnel? It goes down to 2 lanes from the freeway and has an entry point fromt he city to the left lane.

[stocky]

It was done, but too late.

Also, being in the left lane, are they meant to close the city outbound lane to the tunnel? It goes down to 2 lanes from the freeway and has an entry point fromt he city to the left lane.

not sure. dont use the tunnel much to notice. but yeah. it was done too late. citylink shouldve been paying more attention with their cameras

[Fr3ak+--]

there is 9 frames of footage on the first video from when the police car is visible(beside the broken truck), to when the truck hits. To me , even if they had stopped, it owuld of just been one extra dead. A few seconds WOULD NOT of made the difference.

that is the argument won right there.

if you can possibly think that in those 9 frames the outcome would have changed if the police had stayed there then you have lost the plot

[Morton]

that is the argument won right there.

if you can possibly think that in those 9 frames the outcome would have changed if the police had stayed there then you have lost the plot

for the record, "those 9 frames" constitute thirty seconds.

[minux]

for the record, "those 9 frames" constitute thirty seconds.

There is no way that can constitute 30 seconds. It takes 3 frames for a vehicle to enter and leave the scene. It does not take 30 seconds at 60 km/h to move over 100-150 metres.

[Morton]

Watch the second movie and time it

[CSP]

Time is a constant in those two surveillance movies. Just use a stopwatch. It's only the fps that's low.

[Fr3ak+--]

so you are trying to debate that a thirty second window from the police arriving and the truck being a **** wit is ample time for a massive disaster to be averted.

it would take longer then that for the police to stop the car.. exit the car.. put vest on..

that's two minutes right there because i doubt they would be rushing as it was not a dangerous situation

[minux]

Watch the second movie and time it

The second movie is not at standard FPS, you can clearly see that...

[thestig]

Neither of those movies are full frame rate video. The 9 frames constitutes more than 30 seconds I would say. The second movie is closer to real time. And for the record.. It doesn't take very long for the police to switch their lights on, 2 or 3 seconds tops. And those lights slow people down immediately, thats is what they are designed for. They would have had ample opportunity to turn their lights on before they even entered the view of the camera. There were no cars in front of them, they approached slowly and had a clear view of what was happening.

All this aside I will once more state it for the record. I don't care how long the police were there for before the accident. The point I am making is that were there before the accident and they made no effort to make an obviously dangerous situation less dangerous.

If they had turned their lights on and been cleaned up by the truck 30 seconds later it would have been sad. But at least they would have been doing their job properly. Trying to do the right thing. In my opinion they basically passed the buck based on an erraneous assumption. Sorry if thats too cold and clinical folks, but thats the way I see it.

L8r

[CSP]

but thats the way I see it.

That's fine - as long as you accept that the way you see it is clearly WRONG!

[thestig]

That's fine - as long as you accept that the way you see it is clearly WRONG!

Hey Rodriguez, I'm curious... Have you ever had an I.Q. Test?

L8r