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[Full Spectrum]

But thats the thing, that money was not in our pockets 6 months ago, weve done just fine without raising the taxes on higher priced cars. Hes not costing "US" anything, hes costing the centerlink and dole bludgers their alcohol for the week.

Then thats a good thing..
But life isnt that simple, And other will be involved in it.

All this tax was is a means to:

A) Make european cars more expensive to help with the struggling local car market.
B) Sting the higher income earners who STRIVE and work hard to be able to afford those things to appease the "working families?"

The reason it was blocked is because it Rudd failed to justifiy the rise.

Kevin Rudd is ****ing Robin Hood, take from the people who have worked to get where they are, and give it to the lazy.

Removing 4wd that clutter roads, That see about as much time off road as an E-Series Senator.
So people should think about local cars, IF it takes a sting it works, If it keeps people out of 4WD that use them as a local car, Why i don't know?, But they are a annoying on the roads with people who can't drive them the worst, They turn into tanks and a mind set to boot.
There not safer, Mate crashed a Landcruiser a few years back, In his S2000, He flipped the Cruiser.
But still it's a fight in the trenches that isn't needed, Lets see him stand up and fight to removed silly taxs we have been paying.. Why didnt he stand up when he was in government and fight in the trenches over these things before.

But in the end it's simple, Why don't they cut the prices of the cars, Since we buy them at a pretty high rate as it is comparing them to overseas prices..
But not only the well off buy expensive cars..
Friend still owns his Mercedes, My auntie owns a BMW and she does not class her self as wealthy, They have budgets like all of us, And they live very comfortable..

[minux]

Then thats a good thing..
But life isnt that simple, And other will be involved in it.


Removing 4wd that clutter roads, That see about as much time off road as an E-Series Senator.
So people should think about local cars, IF it takes a sting it works, If it keeps people out of 4WD that use them as a local car, Why i don't know?, But they are a annoying on the roads with people who can't drive them the worst, They turn into tanks and a mind set to boot.
There not safer, Mate crashed a Landcruiser a few years back, In his S2000, He flipped the Cruiser.
But still it's a fight in the trenches that isn't needed, Lets see him stand up and fight to removed silly taxs we have been paying.. Why didnt he stand up when he was in government and fight in the trenches over these things before.

But in the end it's simple, Why don't they cut the prices of the cars, Since we buy them at a pretty high rate as it is comparing them to overseas prices..
But not only the well off buy expensive cars..
Friend still owns his Mercedes, My auntie owns a BMW and she does not class her self as wealthy, They have budgets like all of us, And they live very comfortable..

For me, buying a BMW in Australia is more about ignorance(if you buy new), I am unsure as to how anyone can justify paying 4 times the price of a the real value of a 3 series. Seems silly to me. Thank god Mitsi have made a bloody fantastic little car.

That being said, If I could justify the 240k to buy an M5, I'd have it tomorrow

[Full Spectrum]

Oh please.

Oliver?

Not at all, it is proven that you adapt to your environment. Stick with stupid people long enough you will lower yourself to their standards. Live like **** long enough same thing..

If i had a $ for every well off or not so well off person turn there life around, I'd be extremely wealthy.
Iv'e seen almost people on the gutter turn it around, And i have seen people in town houses blow it all.. It's got to be in there minds.

I seen the first hand effects of my cousin go from straight A student across the board at a great private school, to being a complete failure after his parents divorced and moved to what I like to call the slums. The people that surround you is what makes you who you are. I guarantee that there are more successful people in nicer neighbourhoods than in complete ghetto areas. Sure people will say "oh but they can get a better education" which is nonsense, if you want to learn you will.

Can be traumatic on a child even an early adult.
My brother was doing fine at school, The death of my father did throw him out, He rebelled against the world, But worse he took it out on his mother, And his life, Whilst he recovered much later in life, His still the same scum bag i knew when we were kids, Even moving away into a flash area buying a new car and everything new under him, Still couldn't change him, Once a maggot always one i say.

I know what you mean, Going off the rails you do come across ummmm scum, And when down like that you feed off them as they feed of you.

I'm different, My mother is very strong minded and very loud and very straight forward, Much like you, We don't clash at all even being opposite, But we have the same family loyalty and honesty we just use them in different ways.

I'll take a low crime, lovely neighbourhood any day of the week thank you.

Mine is fine, Other then some clowns in there Commodores up and down the street from time 2 time it's quite and safe, In fact, It's become that way over the last 4-5 years, We had a group of low life's from Brisbane who would steal cars once a week, Not our area, But they brought them home and burnt them around the corner, Worst thing next to stealing a car, Is burning one it's the lowest of all lows, Cops caught up with them finally and all has been quite since.

[Full Spectrum]

For me, buying a BMW in Australia is more about ignorance(if you buy new), I am unsure as to how anyone can justify paying 4 times the price of a the real value of a 3 series. Seems silly to me. Thank god Mitsi have made a bloody fantastic little car.

That being said, If I could justify the 240k to buy an M5, I'd have it tomorrow

Yes, Some only do it for the look at me factor.

I might also.

[Grennan]

Then thats a good thing..
Removing 4wd that clutter roads, That see about as much time off road as an E-Series Senator.

Well why is it a luxury car tax, and not a 4wd drive tax? You cant honeslty believe that this tax will, and was at some way aimed at removing 4wd drive clutter from the roads.

But still it's a fight in the trenches that isn't needed, Lets see him stand up and fight to removed silly taxs we have been paying.. Why didnt he stand up when he was in government and fight in the trenches over these things before.

You have to understand that, perhaps the FIGHT wasnt about this particular tax at all. Maybe it was sending a message to the opposition? Maybe its a message to them that the senate is going to block any silly new taxes the new government plans to make.

Try to look at the bigger picture.

[Reaper]

No, It's ultimately your choice.
If hard times come, You can spend sickly, And be worse off, Or save and wait for better times, Spend wise. Even with good times you really should be wise.. So in the end it's truly your decision..
If the government tomorrow reduced fuel by 40c, I'm not going to all of a sudden start driving like it's free, I'll still keep my same pace, I still take a night drive here and there to clear my head, High or low fuel i still do it.

You have demonstrated there your complete lack of knowledge when it comes to even the most basic economics and understanding of the government.

Do we need a tax on a tax?, No but we have one, So is this really bad, Increasing one not introducing one.

Yet more words, and yet we still have no compelling reason.

There is no need to blow a surplus because it just might make things worse in the long run. Thats what we should aim for long term not short term.

The point of having a surplus is for *EXACTLY* these situations. Governments are not supposed to be profitable companies. I am talking about using some of the surplus which will encourage growth, not slashing spending which further encourages the slow down.

World tight wallets, High interest rates, Higher lending, High fuel..
All of these thing mean people are only spending money they don't have, And they are not saving, There only spending there own money when they have to, And finance the rest. Lending has risen over the past 12 months much easier to use plastic money right now then your own, Which has dried up.. But in the end thats up to the individual and how they get through there budgets.

Enrol yourself in economics 101 at any university. It will be a huge eye opener for you.

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Even the RBA at this time has to take much of the downfall, There last two rate rises were wrong, And now they are back tracking, They sit on there hands far to much at times, And almost leap into gear when it's to late.
The government was almost waiting on them to lower interest rates, So that can ease pressure on people, But that can't truly happen until the RBA reduces the rates by a good .5% 1% more, (I'll contradict myself here on something i wrote above) So yes in that way it would be nice to see them jump up and do something that makes people and business more self assured of there positions, And try and back away from the crunch we are in. But it's still fueled by overseas, And many lay offs are from parent company's, Holden and Ford keep dropping personal, Holden doing so because of there global platform which GM now no longer wants, Cost them a mint, GM keeps taking money and asking for cuts.
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The RBA has a long history of getting things wrong. The government have far more tools at their disposal than the RBA when it comes to managing the economy yet this government is going the wrong direction.

Reaper

[Full Spectrum]

Well why is it a luxury car tax, and not a 4wd drive tax? You cant honeslty believe that this tax will, and was at some way aimed at removing 4wd drive clutter from the roads.

Be nice if it did.

You have to understand that, perhaps the FIGHT wasnt about this particular tax at all. Maybe it was sending a message to the opposition? Maybe its a message to them that the senate is going to block any silly new taxes the new government plans to make.

Try to look at the bigger picture.

He needs to send a message to his own party.
In Opposition you need nothing and agree to anything that is cool sounding, That's the life of the opposition, You don't care what you say as long as it sounds right, You don't need to fund your claims as long as people think it's good.
They also seem to be against the Tax on the tax fuel, That should have been simple to remove with no arguments, But it seemed to get the slap and it went quite.

[Full Spectrum]

You have demonstrated there your complete lack of knowledge when it comes to even the most basic economics and understanding of the government.

So your saying if someone told you to not buy a TV you wouldn't?.
I'm sure many wouldn't be affected no matter what policy was handed down.

But i say again, This credit crunch is large and expansive, Did you know the UK is 1 foot in a Rescission?.
It's the one true reason everyone is in the bomb shelters right now, It's not the total blame but it's a massive slice of it.

Yet more words, and yet we still have no compelling reason.

It's not new, It's an old tax..
I pay $5000 per year give or take a few $$$, On fuel.. Now this spectacular tax on tax cost me an extra $800 on it's own.
And what this increase in LCT increases the price a few one hundreds to thousands. The money the extra LCT will net, Is very minimal comparing it to the money grabbing tax on tax we all pay.
There is only one thing that needs to be removed, And there it is.

The point of having a surplus is for *EXACTLY* these situations. Governments are not supposed to be profitable companies. I am talking about using some of the surplus which will encourage growth, not slashing spending which further encourages the slow down.

They want to be responsible, And they don't want to go off Willy nilly and waste it, And be seen as a wasting government, They don't want to fall into old labor shoes and just spend and be seen spending with no purpose, Because no matter where it goes, They will be condemned for using it.

Enrol yourself in economics 101 at any university. It will be a huge eye opener for you.

Doubt Ive got the time.
But 1 month at a homeless shelter, Now thats a real eye opener.

The RBA has a long history of getting things wrong. The government have far more tools at their disposal than the RBA when it comes to managing the economy yet this government is going the wrong direction.

Reaper

Not just getting it wrong but influencing causing down terns in the economy.